Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

renniks said:

Lol, "If you just understood, you would agree with me.,"

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This is, of course, a willful falsehood.

I never once implied that you have to agree with me.

AV1611VET said:

And, pray tell, which of the following should I accept as well while I'm at it:

1. the immaculate conception
   
2. baptismal regeneration
3. apostolic succession
4. baptism for the dead
5. indulgences
6. purgatory
7. extreme unction

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Please. it is always easy to find differences. Why don't you look at the similarities.

Do you deny the Trinity? Catholics don't.

sjastro said:

That's not the point I was making.
A Keplerian orbit by definition is a repeatable non chaotic orbit.
Until laser measurements were employed there was not the accuracy nor precision in measurements to show any deviation from a Keplerian orbit.
Sure Newtonian dynamics in the form tidal forces can explain the deviation but the point is scientists did not assume a Keplerian orbit to be correct or an example of truth or proof.

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Okay, I will give you that.

Subduction Zone said:

Please. it is always easy to find differences.

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Then you should know that I consider consubstation one of them.

AV1611VET said:

Then you should know that I consider consubstation one of them.

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So if God says it it does not count any longer. Got it.

Subduction Zone said:

So if God says it it does not count any longer. Got it.

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Obviously Jesus was not speaking of His flesh and blood, but of His doctrine.

Matthew 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

AV1611VET said:

Obviously Jesus was not speaking of His flesh and blood, but of His doctrine.

Matthew 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

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Obviously Jesus was not talking about a boat that would have sunk with the first big wave.

Subduction Zone said:

Obviously Jesus was not talking about a boat that would have sunk with the first big wave.

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So true.

I don't believe dinosaurs ever entered the ark, but were destroyed by the Flood. I watched an insightful video that explained that most fossil records were primarily found in North and South America. However, there is an absence of such fossil records in Mesopotamia, suggesting that man never made contact with these creatures. The rest of the world at that time was largely unpopulated until the Tower of Babel, which transpired many generations after the Flood, also suggesting that in Noah's time there would have been no contact. They lived and died long before we ever knew it.

Jonaitis said:

I don't believe dinosaurs ever entered the ark, but were destroyed by the Flood. I watched an insightful video that explained that most fossil records were primarily found in North and South America. However, there is an absence of such fossil records in Mesopotamia, suggesting that man never made contact with these creatures. The rest of the world at that time was largely unpopulated until the Tower of Babel, which transpired many generations after the Flood, also suggesting that in Noah's time there would have been no contact. They lived and died long before we ever knew it.

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That is simply not true. The fossil record comes from all over the world and is no means limited to North and South America.

We do know how to date rock layers. 65 million years ago, the time of the latest non-avian dinosaurs, was a bit too far back for the Flood.

Jonaitis said:

I don't believe dinosaurs ever entered the ark, but were destroyed by the Flood.

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Job, Moses, David, Asaph, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Micah, and Malachi all mention dragons.

AV1611VET said:

Job, Moses, David, Asaph, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Micah, and Malachi all mention dragons.

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I don't consider "dragons" to be a catch-all term for dinosaurs.

AV1611VET said:

Job, Moses, David, Asaph, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Micah, and Malachi all mention dragons.

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And you took them seriously. smh

Subduction Zone said:

65 million years ago,

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... comes out to AD 1993 in the Earth's existence.

Jonaitis said:

I don't consider "dragons" to be a catch-all term for dinosaurs.

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What about Behemoth, Leviathan, satyrs, and unicorns?

Subduction Zone said:

We do know how to date rock layers. 65 million years ago, the time of the latest non-avian dinosaurs, was a bit too far back for the Flood.

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There's a lot of missing information that modern science hasn't been able to accurately figure out. They once said that the "Neanderthals" left Africa before modern humans, but they recently found through new data that modern African populations have Neanderthal DNA. Their explanation was that a migrant group from Europe returned and intermixed with modern Africans. The data is always updating, never conclusive.

Subduction Zone said:

And you took them seriously. smh

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Yes. nmh

Jonaitis said:

There's a lot of missing information that modern science hasn't been able to accurately figure out. They once said that the "Neanderthals" left Africa before modern humans, but they recently found through new data that modern African populations have Neanderthal DNA. Their explanation was that a migrant group from Europe returned and intermixed with modern Africans. The data is always updating, never conclusive.

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Are you sure about that? And even if they did, so what? Minor errors do not hurt a theory very much. And no, you have your account about Neanderthal DNA wrong. Early European Homo sapiens occasionally interbred with Neanderthals. They did not return to Africa.

AV1611VET said:

Yes. nmh

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It is so sad when you contradict yourself. It shows that your standard is not what God said, but what you want God to have said.

Jonaitis said:

There's a lot of missing information that modern science hasn't been able to accurately figure out. They once said that the "Neanderthals" left Africa before modern humans, but they recently found through new data that modern African populations have Neanderthal DNA. Their explanation was that a migrant group from Europe returned and intermixed with modern Africans. The data is always updating, never conclusive.

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While this doesn't even prove dinosaurs coexisted with humans up to the time of the so called Biblical flood it was recently found that DNA has a half life of 521 years.

Under the most ideal conditions all the bonds between the nucleotides (the hydrogen bonds) are destroyed after 6.8 million years well before the mass extinction of 65 million years ago.
It puts to rest all the spurious claims made over the years of the discovery of DNA in dinosaur fossils or in insects trapped in amber (no Jurassic Park scenario here).
Currently the oldest authentic DNA sequence stands at about half a million years.

If dinosaurs coexisted with humans it's strange no authentic DNA has ever been found in any dinosaur fossils.
This also compliments the lack of evidence of in situ human and dinosaur remains in the same geological deposition layer.