Biden continues to display his feeble grasp of the Constitution

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disciple Clint

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What on earth are you talking about? The police officer that shot and killed Justine Damond is in prison right now. We don't put police officers in prison for shooting terrorists seeking to attack innocent civilians as they storm a government building.
No what we do take civil actions against officers who kill unarmed protestors who are doing nothing more than trespassing and are no threat what so ever to the officer. An officer who is so special that his identity is withheld from the public and the video of the event is also confiscated and withheld from public distribution under threat of criminal action. I do not know of any other police officer in any other event that has been treated to so much protection and given such an exemption from criminal charges. My guess is that he gets promoted to Capt and gets quietly retired. The civil action will never go to trial and will be settled for as much as it takes to get rid of it without releasing any information to the public.
 
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And in my universe, there are three types of people: military personnel, veterans, and civilians. The last group will never understand the first two, because they have no concept unless they've been there.
Yes, and this is why you describe yourself as "Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu, which means "Much Crazy in the Head."

The rest of us, recognize only 2 categories: military personnel and civilians. When veterans leave the military they are supposed to return to being civilians. According to what you wrote, it looks like some veterans may fail to integrate into civilian society and consider themselves to belong into a unique category with a quasi-military function.
 
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I know our good friend Wolsley won't see this, but I'd listed these before he put me in the naughty corner so I'll post it anyway. Some comments by him:

The second ammendment is there so that people like him can keep the president in place.
The governenment knows who he is and where he lives.
Old Wild West gun laws would certainly slow down rioting.
Arming everyone might be a great idea. Let's try it!
The time might be coming when The People will have to stop a dictatorship by armed insurrection.
When he says 'me' he means the Americal People.
When he says 'you' he means the federal government.
The federal government is curtently a junta - a government which has taken control by force.
We can make ammendemnts to the constitution, except the second.
Unless the people want the second changed (which apparently they do).
The FBI needs to accept that in shooting scenes everyone will be armed.
He implies that combat situations leads him to know that people with a handgun can take out someone with a semi-automatic rifle just as easily as viva versa.
He keeps posting pictures of Viet Cong and has a signature in Vietnamese yet has never been there.
He refers to the public as 'civilians'.
He implies that time spent in 'unconventional warfare classes' would benefit an uprising against the government.

From someone not from the US, this comes across as a parody.

You're not American? We sure could use citizens like you... :(
 
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And compared to the Vietnamese (only doing this because our good friend Wolsley kept mentioning them as an example of simian warfare):
“You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours. But even at those odds, you will lose and I will win.” Ho Chi Minh.

You can have my gun when you prise it from my cold dead ha..bang.
Next!
I would rather die on my feet that live in...bang
Next!
Guns don't kill peo...bang
Next!

If some kevlar-wearing, masked, tin-pot, quasi-military American moron with more ammo than working neurons decides to take up arms against a legitimately elected democratic government, then some other Americans (who have taken an oath to protect said government) are going to shoot them. I don't support or condone violence. But there's something incredibly satisfying about the democratic process being protected with extreme prejudice.
I don't think you really grasp the problem. Do you not realize how man people in the military will refuse to take up arms against their own citizens. About half of the people in the military will join the group of "kevlar-wearing, masked, tin-pot, quasi-military American morons with more ammo than working neurons".

By the way, they took an oath to support and defend the constitution and obey all "lawful orders". If a soldier was ordered by their commander to massacre a village of unarmed civilians, that soldier would be punished along with the commander. Same thing would apply in this situation. If there is an uprising, it wouldn't be civilians storming the capital. It will probably look more like civil disobedience until the government tries to impose their will by force which will then be met with a counter-force.
 
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Only if lives are in real danger. The officer did what he could to defend the people in that lobby.

I cannot believe people will defend this woman. She was wrong, plain and simple and while unfortunate, she was killed for her actions.
the other people in that lobby were additional officers not civilians, he had plenty of backup to help him restrain one unarmed female, in no way was anyone in danger from her.
 
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Murdering a handcuffed man is very different than shooting a terrorist that is participating in an attack on the government.
no it is not. neither of them as a threat to the officer, in both cases the officer used excessive force.
 
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Easy. She should have "obeyed police orders", because after all, "she could have had a gun, how was the cop to know"
Exactly and if the officer would have used verbal commands such as stop, she may have done just that but HE did not, he simply shot her because he was afraid of an unarmed woman.
 
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Exactly and if the officer would have used verbal commands such as stop, she may have done just that but HE did not, he simply shot her because he was afraid of an unarmed woman.

Apparently, she would have done no such thing.

"The attorney for the officer, a lieutenant, said in a statement that the officer clearly identified himself and ordered rioters not to pass a barricade at the doors of the Speaker’s Lobby before firing. Other officers had also ordered Babbitt to stop and she broke multiple laws in attempting to enter the Speaker’s Lobby, according to the statement."

Also in response to your there was no one but officers in that lobby.

“His bravery on January 6 was nothing short of heroic,” Schamel said in a statement. “He stopped the rioters from gaining entry into the Speaker’s Lobby and saved the lives of countless members of Congress and the rioters."

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"A group that included officers, rioters and a Hill staffer rushed to her aid, video shows. Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have said that Babbitt was unarmed. She later died."

Notice it says a Hill staffer. There were other people in that lobby besides the police. Even if there wasn't, he was still defending the officials behind that area who may have been hiding.

Babbitt was wrong and what she was doing was illegal. To say he shot her because he was afraid of an unarmed woman is an attempt to discredit the officer and one that falls on deaf ears within this household and I am sure millions of others as well.
 
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Complaining about stuff that hasn’t happened yet?

"Yet" being the operative word.....

Wait for it. Because it must follow, as the night does the day.

a little dinky-dow but it just don't mean a thing

Boo-coo dinky-dow. As in, completely bonkers. Stark, raving mad. Completely and utterly insane. Just ask anybody in the News and Current Events forum---they'll tell you.

Yes, and this is why you describe yourself as "Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu, which means "Much Crazy in the Head."

Thank you. I'm very well aware of what it means. :) The title was bestowed upon my by a fellow vet in one of my PTSD support groups.

The rest of us, recognize only 2 categories: military personnel and civilians. When veterans leave the military they are supposed to return to being civilians.

I can only speak for myself and the other vets that I know, but the lot of us will never "return to being civilians". We can't. Military service changes you in such a fashion that you will ever be what you were before. We don't think like civilians, we don't talk like civilians, we don't act like civilians. Go to any family reunion, and you'll always find the vets in the family off in some corner by themselves, talking among their own kind. Why? A lot of it has to do with the dark sense of humor and the cynical coping mechanisms we employ; civilians don't understand such things, and they are offended by them.

According to what you wrote, it looks like some veterans may fail to integrate into civilian society and consider themselves to belong into a unique category with a quasi-military function.

I've failed to integrate back into society, for sure....that's why the VA has me diagnosed with "Adjustment Disorder", which is basically a high-priced shrink term for "not making a very good civilian". As for the "quasi-military function", not so much. I don't belong to a militia, I don't tear around in the woods wearing cammies (contrary to what you may hear from certain parties in Australia who have no idea what they're taking about), and I don't even own a .50 caliber sniper rifle. But if the need were to arise, I would be ready to meet the threat level being presented.

I don't think you really grasp the problem. Do you not realize how man people in the military will refuse to take up arms against their own citizens. About half of the people in the military will join the group of "kevlar-wearing, masked, tin-pot, quasi-military American morons with more ammo than working neurons".

By the way, they took an oath to support and defend the constitution and obey all "lawful orders". If a soldier was ordered by their commander to massacre a village of unarmed civilians, that soldier would be punished along with the commander. Same thing would apply in this situation. If there is an uprising, it wouldn't be civilians storming the capital. It will probably look more like civil disobedience until the government tries to impose their will by force which will then be met with a counter-force.

This is very true. In the first place, the US military cannot be used in law-enforcement capacities inside the United States---it's against the law. In the second place, all American military personnel are told to never obey unlawful orders. Now, some of them would follow orders regardless, we know that. However, I believe enough of them would refuse to do so---and if the orders they're getting are clearly unconstitutional, they might even defect to the other side, along with their weaponry.

Most civilians don't know this, but military personnel swear an oath to defend the Constitution. Not the President, not the country, but the Constitution. They are enjoined to follow the orders of their superiors and the Commander in Chief, but if those orders contradict the Constitution, by their oath, the personnel cannot follow those orders. Again, people refuse to think outside the box. They think that simply because things have always been this way, then they always will be this way....but if it all hits the fan, that could change very, very quickly.
 
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