Should the government continue to go after Trump's attorneys?

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You have some errors, campaign members were charged but not with crimes related to the campaign
Lying to investigators about what they did during the campaign seems related to me. As are campaign finance violations.

I mean, sure, the posted claim here makes a great sound bite. Too bad about it not being true.
 
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You have some errors, campaign members were charged but not with crimes related to the campaign,
They where charged because of this investigation, but not because of conspiring to help the russians interfere in the election


Trump was investigated, most specifically for possible obstruction of justice,
No. The Special Council report explained that the obstruction was investigated to see if anyone helped Trump. But not for the purposes of investigating Trump himself.


If you look at what happened they were fishing for anything they could find agains Trump, his family members,
No. D Trump was never investigated.
or any of his associates.
Members of Trump's 2016 campaign were investigated on whether they were illegally conspiring with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election. That was the remit that Rossenstien placed on Mueller.

The MSM played it for all it was worth
The media were very much in the dark.
Media always sensationalise everything, they also speculate.
But they are irrelevant to what we were discussing.
Trump was not investigated by the DoJ during his presidency.
 
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Lying to investigators about what they did during the campaign seems related to me. As are campaign finance violations.

I mean, sure, the posted claim here makes a great sound bite. Too bad about it not being true.
no those would be process crimes not related to the campaign.
 
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no those would be process crimes not related to the campaign.
Hey look, another of those talking points which sounds great, but requires one to ignore reality to accept. For example, campaign finance violations has the word campaign right at the start of it. And yet to believe the right wing propaganda, we'd have to pretend that something which starts with the word campaign doesn't have anything to do with a campaign in any way. I'm not sure who is buying this, but it isn't me.
 
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They where charged because of this investigation, but not because of conspiring to help the russians interfere in the election



No. The Special Council report explained that the obstruction was investigated to see if anyone helped Trump. But not for the purposes of investigating Trump himself.



No. D Trump was never investigated.

Members of Trump's 2016 campaign were investigated on whether they were illegally conspiring with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election. That was the remit that Rossenstien placed on Mueller.


The media were very much in the dark.
Media always sensationalise everything, they also speculate.
But they are irrelevant to what we were discussing.
Trump was not investigated by the DoJ during his presidency.
It does not look like you did any research because you still have errors. BUT no need to rehash the Mueler investigation, it is over and done.
 
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I was hoping. But, yanno, Poe's law.

it sounded like a law i should have heard of but was pretty staggered to find fro wikipedia that it originated in a post on this site

“Poe's law is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum on Christianity. ”
 
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If you look at what happened they were fishing for anything they could find agains Trump, his family members, or any of his associates.
Sometimes when you go fishing for pike you end up catching bass.

It's not like you throw away a perfectly good fish dinner just because you didn't catch what you were fishing for.
 
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It does not look like you did any research because you still have errors. BUT no need to rehash the Mueler investigation, it is over and done.
There are no errors in what I have said. The fact of the matter is that D Trump was never investigated by the DoJ under his own administration.

Your claim below is just wishful thinking.
If what was done to Trump by the Justice department was not going after a sitting president, what exactly would you call it? It was nothing short of finding every conceivable way to invent a reason to take action against Trump and his associates. It was a despicable abuse of the powers of the Justice department.
You want Trump to be wrongfully persecuted, to be a victim of harassment.
It is the "oh poor me" schtick that Trump had been touting for 4 years.
It is a false and deceptive narrative.

Trump's own DoJ never went after him, never investigated him, never indicted him.
They did however, attempt to defend him against a sexual assault allegation, and they did interfere in other investigations, with Barr firing Berrman
 
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Is it OK for the government to continue to go after Trumps attorneys or any attorneys who support Trump?

Not all of them; just the ones who break the law.
 
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Sometimes when you go fishing for pike you end up catching bass.

It's not like you throw away a perfectly good fish dinner just because you didn't catch what you were fishing for.
Explain that to the game warden when he tells you the season is not open for what you have taken. There are legal methods and proceedures that are expected to be followed they preclude selecting an individual and then trying to see if you can build a case against them, we do not endorse that kind of persecution in this country. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" was Beria's infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin's death in 1953
 
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There are no errors in what I have said. The fact of the matter is that D Trump was never investigated by the DoJ under his own administration.

Your claim below is just wishful thinking.

You want Trump to be wrongfully persecuted, to be a victim of harassment.
It is the "oh poor me" schtick that Trump had been touting for 4 years.
It is a false and deceptive narrative.

Trump's own DoJ never went after him, never investigated him, never indicted him.
They did however, attempt to defend him against a sexual assault allegation, and they did interfere in other investigations, with Barr firing Berrman
Are you attempting to rewrite history? The Special Counsel investigation was an investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, of links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials, and of possible obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates. Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) - Wikipedia
 
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Explain that to the game warden when he tells you the season is not open for what you have taken.

Fortunately when you're a prosecutor, all criminals are in season.

"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" was Beria's infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin's death in 1953

Aha! Well, that explains everything!

Beria specifically mentions showing a man.
That explains Donald's crashing failure to lock up Hillary Clinton!
 
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Are you attempting to rewrite history? The Special Counsel investigation was an investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, of links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials, and of possible obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates. Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) - Wikipedia
Russian interference in 2016 US elections - This is an investigation of Russians, Trump as far as I know it, isn't a Russian.
links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials - D Trump isn't an associate of himself, nor is he a Russian official (as far as I know)
Possible obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates - This is getting close to an investigation into D Trump, but it never happened, as pointed out in the report


Robert Mueller made clear: he couldn't have indicted Trump even if he wanted to | Lawrence Douglas
The only reason Mueller did not seek indictment was because the special counsel’s office “is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, was bound by that department policy”. That policy holds that a president “cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office”. Indicting the president was therefore “not an option we could consider”.

Then there is Mueller’s parting statement: “The constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.”


Why the Mueller Investigation Failed
far from authorizing a wide-ranging investigation of the President and his allies, the Justice Department directed Mueller to limit his probe to individuals who were reasonably suspected of committing crimes. Temperamentally as well as professionally, Mueller was inclined to follow this advice.


Trump’s political adversaries, unaware of Mueller’s determination to run a brisk, narrow investigation, became invested in the expectation that he would uncover such sweeping and devastating proof of criminal misdeeds that a misbegotten Presidency would be forced to come to an end.

But Trump’s fiercest defenders and Mueller’s most devoted fans misjudged the special counsel from the beginning.

Mueller did not use the F.B.I. information as a catalyst for a deeper examination of Trump’s history and personal finances. Nor did he demand to see Trump’s taxes, or examine the roots of his special affinity for Putin’s Russia. Most important, Mueller declined to issue a grand-jury subpoena for Trump’s testimony, and excluded from his report a conclusion that Trump had committed crimes.
 
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Mueller directed the evidence of multiple acts of obstruction be saved which could be pursued when Trump left office if the statute of limitations was not in effect.

I think Biden is inclined not to divide the country, especially when the Manhattan DA and Fulton County, Georgia will both have strong cases to pursue against Trump.
 
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Russian interference in 2016 US elections - This is an investigation of Russians, Trump as far as I know it, isn't a Russian.
links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials - D Trump isn't an associate of himself, nor is he a Russian official (as far as I know)
Possible obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates - This is getting close to an investigation into D Trump, but it never happened, as pointed out in the report


Robert Mueller made clear: he couldn't have indicted Trump even if he wanted to | Lawrence Douglas
The only reason Mueller did not seek indictment was because the special counsel’s office “is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, was bound by that department policy”. That policy holds that a president “cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office”. Indicting the president was therefore “not an option we could consider”.

Then there is Mueller’s parting statement: “The constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.”


Why the Mueller Investigation Failed
far from authorizing a wide-ranging investigation of the President and his allies, the Justice Department directed Mueller to limit his probe to individuals who were reasonably suspected of committing crimes. Temperamentally as well as professionally, Mueller was inclined to follow this advice.


Trump’s political adversaries, unaware of Mueller’s determination to run a brisk, narrow investigation, became invested in the expectation that he would uncover such sweeping and devastating proof of criminal misdeeds that a misbegotten Presidency would be forced to come to an end.

But Trump’s fiercest defenders and Mueller’s most devoted fans misjudged the special counsel from the beginning.

Mueller did not use the F.B.I. information as a catalyst for a deeper examination of Trump’s history and personal finances. Nor did he demand to see Trump’s taxes, or examine the roots of his special affinity for Putin’s Russia. Most important, Mueller declined to issue a grand-jury subpoena for Trump’s testimony, and excluded from his report a conclusion that Trump had committed crimes.
Good luck with your rewrite.
 
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