No; my questions were "what is work?" and "the work that I do is voluntary and for charities. My work is doing good; why, and how, should I refrain from doing that on a Sabbath when doing good is allowed on a Sabbath?
Yes, your question was already answered but it seems you did not like the answer shared with you from the scriptures so that is between you and God to work through as posted earlier,
No amount of Scripture from Exodus can answer that question, since that particular scenario isn't found in the Bible
You were provided multiple scriptures including Gods' 4th commandment from Exodus 20:8-11; Preparing for the Sabbath with the preparation day before the Sabbath (all Friday) to prepare for the Sabbath with shopping and buying and selling, cooking and cleaning etc. (
Exodus 16:4-5;
Exodus 16:23-28;
Mark 15:42;
Luke 23:54;
John 19:31 etc). These can all be done before the Sabbath starts and Jesus letting us know it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matthew 12:1-12. Yep everything has been shared from the scriptures with you alright that is applicable to your personal situation that is for sure.
Post # 471 linked of course was posted from giving more detailed scripture responses to how we keep the Sabbath including when the Sabbath starts etc. These of course are all Gods' Word. So what you do with Gods' Word now is between you and God to work through.
Scripture does not state whether working voluntarily for a charity is work, and whether or not that is allowed a the Sabbath. People still need help on the Sabbath; helping others is doing good, which is allowed. Jesus said that if Pharisees had an animal that fell into a ditch on the Sabbath, they would pull it out again. An animal, a donkey in this example, represented income and enabled people to carry wood, food and themselves. If it fell into a ditch, people pulled it out again. No one said "wait a few hours; if it dies, it dies. You can't do any work today
Jesus says in His own words that it is lawful to do good deeds on the Sabbath. This was already posted from the scriptures in Matthew 12:1-12. This was already posted to you in in all my posts so I do not know what your trying to say here to be honest or why your even saying it.
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ The commandment includes, all work. All paid and unpaid work, all domestic work inclusive of cooking and cleaning, all buying and selling and work that can be done on any other day of the week.
That's your definition of work. Jesus' disciples were walking through a cornfield on the Sabbath, picking corn and eating it. Mark 2:23-27. When criticised, Jesus did not say to them, "they're right; you should wait until we get back, or you should have brought some food - prepared before the sabbath - with you". Instead, he told the critics of what David had done once when he was hungry - eaten consecrated bread. In other words, human needs come before "rules". He also said that the priests themselves desecrate the Sabbath, and yet are innocent of doing so, Matthew 12:5, and that if they had an animal that had fallen into a ditch on the sabbath, they would pull it out again, Matthew 12:11.
It seems that the Pharisees had ideas about what could and couldn't be done on the Sabbath - and Jesus pointed out that they were inconsistent in those attitudes.[/QUOTE]
No as posted earlier it is God's definition of work. You can read about it here...
Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.
Here perhaps it will help if you understand the Hebrew meaning of labor and work. Let's look at the scriptures and the Hebrew word meanings.
[9], Six days shall
you labor, and do all your work:
[10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it
you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:
Hebrew word meanings for labor and work.
LABOR. H5647
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H5647
עָבַד (ʻâbad | aw-bad')
to work (in any sense); by implication, to serve, till, (causatively) enslave, etc.KJV: [idiom] be, keep in bondage, be bondmen, bond-service, compel, do, dress, ear, execute, [phrase] husbandman, keep, labour(-ing man, bring to pass, (cause to, make to) serve(-ing, self), (be, become) servant(-s), do (use) service, till(-er), transgress (from margin), (set a) work, be wrought, worshipper,
WORK. H4399
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H4399
מְלָאכָה (mᵉlâʼkâh | mel-aw-kaw') Derivation: from the same as מֲלְאָךְ; Strong's: properly, deputyship, i.e. ministry;
generally, employment (never servile) or work (abstractly or concretely); also property (as the result of labor) KJV:
business, [phrase] cattle, [phrase]
industrious, occupation, ([phrase] -pied), [phrase] officer, thing (made), use, (manner of) work((-man), -manship). Cognate Group: H4399 (business), H4401 (Malachi), H3815 (Lael), H4397 (ambassador), H4400 (message) Other Resources: BDB GHCL AHLB CWD TWOT: 1068b
So of course the scripture contexts are to to our own work that is our own working or labor to benefit our self is not to be done on the Sabbath. No cooking cleaning, no business of any kind no buying or selling of anything, no paid work no domestic work. Of course as we have always stated from the first post Jesus says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matthew 12:1-12. So yep sorry once again not my definitions. They are Gods definitions.
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ Every day is not the "seventh day" Sabbath commandments and a holy day of rest that God commands His people to keep as a holy day of rest where no work is to be done. If you are not keeping Gods' 4th commandment as a holy day of rest than your not keeping the Sabbath but I think you know this already deep down in your heart or you would not be asking these questions in your posts. Therefore we need to examine our selves according to the scriptures in
2 Corinthians 13:5 and see what it is that might be holding us back from completely believing and following God's Word. As posted earlier if the Sabbath to you is no different to any other day of the week than that should be a sign to you that something is wrong. Then perhaps you should seek to get rid of all those things that make Gods' Sabbath to you just any other day of the week.
Your response here...
So God wants me to be with him, abide in him, pray to him and worship him every day, but one day a week I should have a day off to worship him, abide in him, pray and be with him? Again, what is there on the Sabbath that I am not doing on all the other days of the week? Even corporate worship with other Christians happens at weekly Bible study groups.
Jesus says no one worships God by breaking Gods' commandments and of course this includes Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11. (see also Matthew 15:3-9 and Matthew 7:21-23 and 1 John 2:3-4).
Again, what is there on the Sabbath that I am not doing on all the other days of the week? Even corporate worship with other Christians happens at weekly Bible study groups.
You already stated it earlier, cooking, cleaning, buying or selling anything as well as anything else you may do that is against the Sabbath that stops you from keeping the Sabbath as a holy day of rest. We of course can do good on the Sabbath to help others *Matthew 12:1-12
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ Yes your questions have been answered indeed through the scriptures.
Your response here...
They haven't, because there are no Scriptures which address the particular issue that I posed. Doing good is allowed on the Sabbath - today that includes, and involves, working for charities, feeding the hungry (which we are told to do in Scripture), helping the homeless (ditto), visiting the sick, (ditto again). Scripture does not address what to do about these scenarios on the Sabbath - it does not say "give the hungry extra food on Thursday so that they will not make anyone prepare anything on the Sabbath". It does not say, "leave the homeless, the poor, the sick, the suicidal and desperate to their own devices on the Sabbath while you sit at home praising God and being holy."
It is indeed lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Are you reading my posts? I have said this every post from the first post until now. It is not lawful to do any of our own work however and not lawful to do any cooking, cleaning, buying or selling anything as well as anything else you may do that is against the Sabbath that stops you from keeping the Sabbath as a holy day of rest. We of course can do good on the Sabbath to help others. The purpose of the Sabbath however is a day of rest to remember God as the creator of heaven and earth and a celebration of God as our creator and only true God of creation for a full day (not some of the day). We are to keep this day as a holy day of rest dedicated to God where we are no to do any of our own work to enter into His rest.
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ The fact that your asking these questions I believe is that God has convicted you on His 4th commandment.
Your response here...
You would be wrong in your belief. I am saying that there have been lots of threads on these forums where people get bashed for not keeping the Sabbath, yet I have seen none giving practical examples of HOW to do that.
No dear friend, if I was wrong in what I said to you then you would not even be here asking these questions. You were also given practical example of keeping the Sabbath in the very first post sent to you so your claims here are not true (
post # 471 linked). No one is bashing you for not keeping the Sabbath as that is between you and God. You have also come here of your own free will so no one is forcing to to be here.
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ If you do not feel any peace in this regard than perhaps you may need to consider what exactly you do on Gods' Holy day and see if you can stop doing things you can do any other day of the week and dedicate your time to God.
Your response here...
All days are God's holy days. I dedicate all my time to God - and sitting around doing zilch on a Saturday because you believe that I should, is not going to make me any holier. In fact it might be disobedience, if God were to tell me to do something that day and my answer was "no; haven't you read the Bible?"
Absolutely not. There is not one scripture that says every day is a holy day. The only day God called a holy day of rest where no work is to be done (except for doing good Matthew 12:1-12) is the "seventh day" Sabbath *Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11 which God calls His people to keep as a holy day of rest in Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. According to Jesus no one worships God by breaking God's commandments in Matthew 15:3-9.
So perhaps you may need to prayerfully dig a little deeper.