Biden continues to display his feeble grasp of the Constitution

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Do you have the same feeling about George Floyd? Maybe he shouldn't have resisted arrest? Maybe he suffered the consequences for doing so?
Murdering a handcuffed man is very different than shooting a terrorist that is participating in an attack on the government.
 
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“Talk to most responsible gun owners and hunters — they’ll tell you that there’s no possible justification for having 100 rounds in a weapon,” Biden said. “What’d ya think? Deer are wearing Kevlar vests?”

That's clever, Joe, but the 2nd Amendment was not placed in the Constitution so people could hunt deer. The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place. You, with your comments about "no amendment is absolute", are precisely the reason the 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to begin with.

Obey the law, Joe, and don't overstep your bounds. We don't answer to you, you answer to us. Before you get too far out of line, you would do well to remember Thomas Jefferson's maxim: "No country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”

Joe Biden Proved He Doesn't Understand the Purpose of the 2nd Amendment – PJ Media

a) Are you posting this so that President Biden will read it? I doubt he is going to read your comment.
b) "The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place" is a direct threat to the President. Is that your intent? The Second Amendment says nothing about threatening the President.
c) Saying "You [President Biden] , with your comments about "no amendment is absolute", are precisely the reason the 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to begin with" is total nonsense. The Constitution is a "living document", with provisions for it to be amended/altered as the people see fit. The Second Amendment can be altered or removed according to the will of the people, just like every other amendment.
 
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Do you have the same feeling about George Floyd? Maybe he shouldn't have resisted arrest? Maybe he suffered the consequences for doing so?

That was a completely different situation and you know it.
 
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FBI agents have told us one of their greatest concerns is going to a shooting scene where everyone is armed. It's a formula for chaos and even the police wouldn't know who the shooter was, whether any of the armed people were cohorts or accomplices, etc.

In cases like El Paso, where the shooter had a powerful weapon no civilian should own, people with small handguns would think twice about trying anything other than staying under the radar.
 
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Murdering a handcuffed man is very different than shooting a terrorist that is participating in an attack on the government.

Matter of viewpoint.

Are you posting this so that President Biden will read it?

No. I was speaking in generalities: when I said "I" (i.e., me) it meant the American People. When I said "You" (i.e. Biden), it meant the junta currently in charge of the Federal government.

I doubt he is going to read your comment.

I doubt that he is, too. He couldn't care less what I have to say, unless I happen to be the Chinese premier.

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The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place" is a direct threat to the President.

No, it is not. See above. If I said, "People like Joe Smith will teach people like Harry Jones a lesson someday," is that a direct threat by Joe to Harry? No, because I said "people LIKE", not me personally and anybody else personally.

Is that your intent?

No. Stop trying to turn me into a rabble-rouser that is inciting violence. I'm not Maxine Waters.

The Second Amendment says nothing about threatening the President.

I am well aware of that.

Saying "You [President Biden] , with your comments about "no amendment is absolute", are precisely the reason the 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to begin with" is total nonsense.

Matter of viewpoint.

The Constitution is a "living document"

Odd that the Left says that, except when it comes to firearms, isn't it? "Oh, the 2nd Amendment only applies to flintlock rifles that were current when it was written! It doesn't apply to AR-15s!" "Oh, the militia is only in there because the country had no standing army at the time! It doesn't apply any more!" Balderdash.

with provisions for it to be amended/altered as the people see fit. The Second Amendment can be altered or removed according to the will of the people, just like every other amendment.

Yes, as the *PEOPLE* see fit, not the sitting president, not the Congress, not gun-grabbing government alphabet agencies. The Constitution can be altered, very true; but the Founders made it extraordinarily difficult to do---you have to have a ¾ majority in both houses of Congress and then a ratification by ¾ of the State governments in order to get it enacted. That's difficult enough to do in normal times, let alone in the polarized atmosphere we have right now, when I suspect it would be nearly impossible. Joe, Nancy, & Crew know this just as well as anybody else; that's why they keep trying to sidestep the correct procedure, which they know has no chance of passing, and trying to force it through illegally by "executive action". The courts won't uphold it. The People won't vote for it. The States are rejecting it:
More Than A Dozen States Are Trying To Nullify Federal Gun Control – Reason.com
 
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That was a completely different situation and you know it.

I know nothing of the kind. In one case you have a lawbreaker who was resisting arrest and died in custody because he was overdosing on an illegal drug, and in the other case you have a lawbreaker who was shot to death while trying to break into a government building. In case #1, the cop shouldn't have been kneeling on the guy's head, and in case #2, the cop had no business shooting the woman, who was unarmed. The cops exacerbated both deaths, but in both cases, the perps were still breaking the law. I'm sorry, but there it is.

FBI agents have told us one of their greatest concerns is going to a shooting scene where everyone is armed. It's a formula for chaos and even the police wouldn't know who the shooter was, whether any of the armed people were cohorts or accomplices, etc.

I submit that the FBI is just gong to have to adapt to the changing conditions in this country, just like we all do. They ain't gonna like it, but neither do I. For that matter, neither do you.

In cases like El Paso, where the shooter had a powerful weapon no civilian should own

Matter of viewpoint.

people with small handguns would think twice about trying anything other than staying under the radar.

How much time have you spent in combat situations, Fantine? You think that someone under fire armed with just a pistol is going to cower in corner simply because the other guy has a semi-automatic rifle? No, real life isn't the movies. A goon with a semi-auto rifle is usually going to be spraying lead, because he can. Somebody with a pistol is going to aiming carefully, because that's what he has to do. A shooter with a pistol can take down a rifleman just as easily as the other way 'round.
 
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I prefer to change the conditions, using rationality and common sense as barometers.

Good luck. I didn't see much of either one in Seattle, Portland, and Minneapolis last summer.
 
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I know nothing of the kind. In one case you have a lawbreaker who was resisting arrest and died in custody because he was overdosing on an illegal drug, and in the other case you have a lawbreaker who was shot to death while trying to break into a government building. In case #1, the cop shouldn't have been kneeling on the guy's head, and in case #2, the cop had no business shooting the woman, who was unarmed. The cops exacerbated both deaths, but in both cases, they were still breaking the law. I'm sorry, but there it is.

I'll leave you to continue to think that since it fits your narrative. The fact of the matter is, they are indeed different circumstances.
 
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That was a completely different situation and you know it.

Sadly, I am no longer certain some can tell difference between killing a restrained, handcuffed person pinned to the ground (who may be pointlessly struggling because they are contained and the ratio is 4 police to one criminal) vs one not under control and who is actively at the time of the shooting committing a violent crime AND the odds are against the police (criminal vs police ratio).

Hopefully, there is a completely different police mindset when there are four police officers and one handcuffed offender vs when the police are drastically outnumbered and actively being assaulted.
 
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Sadly, I am no longer certain some can tell difference between killing a restrained, handcuffed person pinned to the ground (who may be pointlessly struggling because they are contained and the ratio is 4 police to one criminal) vs one not under control and who is actively at the time of the shooting committing a violent crime AND the odds are against the police (criminal vs police ratio).

Thank you for putting into words what I could not.

My girlfriend has said it and I agree, we're headed to a not so pretty time in this country.
 
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I think this argument was officially put to rest on Jan 6 this year. I wouldn’t make any threatening advances towards government officials lest I wish to end up like Ashlii Babbit.
What exactly did you mean by this statement? Where you trying to tell people to make sure to bring your guns the next time you storm the Capital building?
 
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It continues to baffle me that people still confuse being armed as part of the sanctioned state militia for defense against external (and internal) enemies with preparedness for armed rebellion.
The second amendment states that the states will have an organized militia, and the people will be armed. Meaning that the people will be armed to protect themselves from the organized militia. Because that is what they had to do to the British "organized militia".
 
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What exactly did you mean by this statement. Where you trying to tell people to make sure to bring your guns the next time you storm the Capital building?
No I mean the people who wish to take on the US government by force will be met with much greater force. It’s silly to think have access to rifles is any kind of threat to our government.
 
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No I mean the people who wish to take on the US government by force will be met with much greater force. It’s silly to think have access to rifles is any kind of threat to our government.
People thought the same thing about the motley crew of colonial rebels going against the British military.
 
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No I mean the people who wish to take on the US government by force will be met with much greater force. It’s silly to think have access to rifles is any kind of threat to our government.

Yes, I remember when a lot of people had the same idea about these guys, much to their later disillusionment and regret. ^_^

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People thought the same thing about the motley crew of colonial rebels going against the British military.
That was a different time. Weapons available to the colonists weren’t too different from what British troops had. Today your local PD likely has an armored vehicle or two and the training and equipment to handle a small group of militia knuckleheads.
 
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That was a different time. Weapons available to the colonists weren’t too different from what British troops had. Today your local PD likely has an armored vehicle or two and the training and equipment to handle a small group of militia knuckleheads.
Who said they were going to fight the military head on? Ever hear of an insurgency? Worked very well for the Taliban against "the world's greatest military." If there was an uprising against the federal government, I would expect guerrilla warfare.
 
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The second amendment states that the states will have an organized militia, and the people will be armed. Meaning that the people will be armed to protect themselves from the organized militia. Because that is what they had to do to the British "organized militia".

That is the most bizarre reading I've ever heard of this text:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Your interpretation is in other words:
"Free states need militias, the citizens of those states need guns to fight against the militias"

The usual understanding of the militia clause is:

"Because free states need militias, the citizens shall have the right to own weapons so that they can join the militia."

This does not include (and at this point, I don't want to get into) personal defense arguments for gun ownership rights.
 
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That was a different time. Weapons available to the colonists weren’t too different from what British troops had. Today your local PD likely has an armored vehicle or two and the training and equipment to handle a small group of militia knuckleheads.

Again: that's exactly what they thought about these guys. ;) We hit those little dudes with napalm, high explosive, artillery, tanks, APCs, naval gunfire, land mines, even poisonous defoliants----and they just kept on comin'.
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