Biden continues to display his feeble grasp of the Constitution

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“Talk to most responsible gun owners and hunters — they’ll tell you that there’s no possible justification for having 100 rounds in a weapon,” Biden said. “What’d ya think? Deer are wearing Kevlar vests?”

That's clever, Joe, but the 2nd Amendment was not placed in the Constitution so people could hunt deer. The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place. You, with your comments about "no amendment is absolute", are precisely the reason the 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to begin with.

Obey the law, Joe, and don't overstep your bounds. We don't answer to you, you answer to us. Before you get too far out of line, you would do well to remember Thomas Jefferson's maxim: "No country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”

Joe Biden Proved He Doesn't Understand the Purpose of the 2nd Amendment – PJ Media
 

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“Talk to most responsible gun owners and hunters — they’ll tell you that there’s no possible justification for having 100 rounds in a weapon,” Biden said. “What’d ya think? Deer are wearing Kevlar vests?”

That's clever, Joe, but the 2nd Amendment was not placed in the Constitution so people could hunt deer. The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place. You, with your comments about "no amendment is absolute", are precisely the reason the 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to begin with.

Obey the law, Joe, and don't overstep your bounds. We don't answer to you, you answer to us. Before you get too far out of line, you would do well to remember Thomas Jefferson's maxim: "No country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”

Joe Biden Proved He Doesn't Understand the Purpose of the 2nd Amendment – PJ Media
I think this argument was officially put to rest on Jan 6 this year. I wouldn’t make any threatening advances towards government officials lest I wish to end up like Ashlii Babbit.
 
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It continues to baffle me that people still confuse being armed as part of the sanctioned state militia for defense against external (and internal) enemies with preparedness for armed rebellion.
 
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I would like to remind you of a kinder, gentler nation where principled presidents proposed legislation to protect human life against the excesses of gun groups. All of these laws were affirmed by Supreme Court decisions. After LBJ's law, unfortunately, the NRA started a PAC which has resulted in the extreme excesses of gun rights proponents today (not to mention regular school shootings and mass shootings that occur on an almost daily basis, it seems. Just last night I heard of seven people shot in a Wiconsin casino hotel. May they rest in peace--and haunt the consciences of uncaring politicians for the rest of their lives.
The Second Amendment: A Complete History of the Right to Bear Arms

President Roosevelt signed the National Firearms Act into law in 1934. This law, the first of its kind, taxed firearm sales and required registration of the purchase of fully automatic firearms and other guns favored by bootleggers.

Four years later, the federal government passed the “Federal Firearms Act” — the first law to specify a group of people ineligible to buy firearms, such as those previously convicted of a felony. It also mandated licensing for prospective gun owners, as well as record-keeping firearm merchants [11].

In 1939, bank robbers Frank Layton and Jack Miller were arrested for carrying a shotgun across state lines. The gun in question was a “sawed-off double barrel 12-gauge shotgun” [12], which violated the terms of the National Firearms Act.

Convicted of this crime, Layton and Miller appealed on the grounds that they were protected by the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court ruled in United States vs Miller that the NFA was constitutional, and that the right that the Second Amendment said “shall not be infringed” applied to arms conceivably used by a member of a well regulated militia.

This ruling is quite a bit different from those of the 19th century, in that it specifies a more exact interpretation of the Second Amendment. It clarified that the Second Amendment was reserved for the right of people to keep a “well regulated Militia.”

The country continued on with little attention on gun control until 1963. Then, the assasination of John F. Kennedy re-focused the nation’s awareness of the dangers presented by unregulated, widespread gun ownership.

In 1968, president Lyndon B. Johnson was instrumental in passing a new law, the “Gun Control Act.” This piece of legislation repealed the Federal Firearms Act, updating the provisions for importation of guns and for ownership requirements [14].

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Twelve years later, the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1980 led to the eventual passing of the “Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act” — a law that established a mandatory waiting period between a person’s application to buy a gun and the time in which that person took possession of said firearm.

During this waiting period, authorities would conduct a background check on the prospective buyer. Specific criteria — including a person’s mental health history — was then used to determine whether or not the prospective buyer could, in essence, be trusted with a handgun.

“The Brady Bill” — named after a member of Reagan’s cabinet wounded during the assassination attempt — was first introduced into Congress in 1987; however, the bill was delayed for years by ongoing discussion of the constitutionality of this form of gun control. Finally, in 1993, under the Clinton administration, it was signed into law [16].
 
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I think this argument was officially put to rest on Jan 6 this year. I wouldn’t make any threatening advances towards government officials lest I wish to end up like Ashlii Babbit.
You mean the state sanctioned murder of an unarmed woman?
 
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I think this argument was officially put to rest on Jan 6 this year. I wouldn’t make any threatening advances towards government officials lest I wish to end up like Ashlii Babbit.

January 6th is a poor example of how the 2nd Amendment is supposed to work. A much better example would be April 12, 2014, when the American militiamen aiding Cliven Bundy forced the government's alphabet agencies to stand down.

As for the government, I'm not threatening them; they know who I am and where I am. I have broken no laws, and as long as they don't either, we're all good.
 
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You mean the state sanctioned murder of an unarmed woman?

Maybe she shouldn't have tried to breach the Speaker's Lobby doors! Far as I am concerned she accepted the consequences, whatever they may be, by joining in the riot.
 
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January 6th is a poor example of how the 2nd Amendment is supposed to work. much better example would be April 12, 2014, when the American militiamen aiding Cliven Bundy forced the government's alphabet agencies to stand down.

As for the government, I'm not threatening them; they know who I am and where I am. I have broken no laws, and as long as they don't either, we're all good.
Here is another way the second amendment isn't supposed to work. List of school shootings since 2000, 69 school shootings since 2009.
List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

And yet another way the second amendment isn't supposed to work. There were 614 mass shootings in 2020 resulting in 446 deaths and 2,515 injuries, for a total of 3,061 victims.
List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 - Wikipedia
 
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During the commission of a crime.

The officer has already been cleared of wrongdoing.

Because she was shot in the shoulder, normally not a life-threatening wound, I am sure the intent to kill was not present. I am sure that the U.S. Attorney considered that the Capitol Place were besieged, left without the assistance of the National Guard for over three hours, and doing the best they could in a horrific situation.


Officer Cleared In The Shooting Death Of Ashli Babbitt During Capitol Riot
If it had been a white cop and a BLM riot, what would the verdict have been?
 
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Maybe she shouldn't have tried to breach the Speaker's Lobby doors! Far as I am concerned she accepted the consequences, whatever they may be, by joining in the riot.
Well then we can just start shooting people at every BLM riot. That should slow down the rioting.
 
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You mean the state sanctioned murder of an unarmed woman?

Government alphabet agencies have an awful track record of gunning down unarmed civilians....Ashlii Babbitt is one example; Vicki Weaver is another. (Another few inches one way, and the government sniper would have murdered a 10-month old infant.)

They also like to smash down doors and stick guns in the faces of dangerous, unstable criminals, like this kid here:

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Well then we can just start shooting people at every BLM riot. That should slow down the rioting.

Only if lives are in real danger. The officer did what he could to defend the people in that lobby.

I cannot believe people will defend this woman. She was wrong, plain and simple and while unfortunate, she was killed for her actions.
 
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I would like to remind you of a kinder, gentler nation where principled presidents proposed legislation to protect human life against the excesses of gun groups.

I remember that nation too, Fantine, but it doesn't exist any more. This is 2021, not 1950.

Well then we can just start shooting people at every BLM riot. That should slow down the rioting.

It certainly would. It worked pretty well in the Old West, when the shopkeepers and lawmen shot drunken, rioting cowboys out of their saddles.
 
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That's clever, Joe, but the 2nd Amendment was not placed in the Constitution so people could hunt deer.
This is true.

The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution so that people like me are able to keep people like you in your place.
This is just as wrong as Joe was.
Read it again, the 2nd Amendment was for the security of the free state, not opposition to it.
It was written at a time when the US was without a standing army and the citizen militia was its defense.
 
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Equal protection under the law was exactly why the Department of Justice investigated the officer's shooting Ashli Babbitt in the shoulder while she tried to scale a wall in the Capitol building during an unprecedented insurrection which threatened the lives of 535 of our nation's leaders and government workers.

I accept their ruling. And while I realize their ruling will make it harder for Babbitt's family to win a $10 million settlement in a civil case, I also realize that they don't need a unanimous decision to win and that in Texas there may be people who are sympathetic to the insurrection and might look at Babbitt as a martyr.
 
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Maybe she shouldn't have tried to breach the Speaker's Lobby doors! Far as I am concerned she accepted the consequences, whatever they may be, by joining in the riot.

Do you have the same feeling about George Floyd? Maybe he shouldn't have resisted arrest? Maybe he suffered the consequences for doing so?

Here is another way the second amendment isn't supposed to work. List of school shootings since 2000, 69 school shootings since 2009.
List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

And yet another way the second amendment isn't supposed to work. There were 614 mass shootings in 2020 resulting in 446 deaths and 2,515 injuries, for a total of 3,061 victims.
List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 - Wikipedia

If the vast majority of the people at those mass shootings had been trained, armed, and ready to defend themselves and others, the body count would have been much, much lower. Disarming everybody doesn't work. Let's try arming everybody instead, and see how that works.

If it had been a white cop and a BLM riot, what would the verdict have been?

I think we already know the answer to that question.

I cannot believe people will defend this woman. She was wrong, plain and simple and while unfortunate, she was killed for her actions.

Why not? They've made a hero out of George Floyd, and he was nothing but a two-bit criminal, a common thug.

Read it again, the 2nd Amendment was for the security of the free state, not opposition to it.
It was written at a time when the US was without a standing army and the citizen militia was its defense.

It was written at a time when the Founders knew that governments tend to overstep their bounds. Ours has been fairly good for the vast majority of our history, but towards the middle of the 20th century, they began to get the idea that they were the "rulers", not the representatives, of the People. The 2nd Amendment is there so if and when the day comes that the government (not the system of government, but the gang of people running it) try to impose a dictatorship, the People will have the means to put a stop to it and put the elected officials back in their place---as representatives, not rulers. I'm not saying that that time is here yet, but it may be coming.

So I guess when it comes to LEO shooting an unarmed person it is only a crime if it is done to a black man/woman? It is open season on whites I guess?.....hmmmmm.....whatever happened to 'equal protection under the law'?

I think we all know the answer to that question, as well.
 
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So I guess when it comes to LEO shooting an unarmed person it is only a crime if it is done to a black man/woman? It is open season on whites I guess?.....hmmmmm.....whatever happened to 'equal protection under the law'?
What on earth are you talking about? The police officer that shot and killed Justine Damond is in prison right now. We don't put police officers in prison for shooting terrorists seeking to attack innocent civilians as they storm a government building.
 
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