Who is in charge here?

Hammster · May 1, 2021

The question of Jesus as king, whether it is now or later, has come up. So I have a question.

If Jesus said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, who is in charge here?

rocknanchor · May 1, 2021

Personally, I feel letting the word of Christ dwell in us "richly" in hopes of securing "every good work" should know the difference between studying for God's approval verses, securing the "corner" (Acts 26:26) to pack it in.

Hammster · May 1, 2021

rocknanchor said:
Personally, I feel letting the word of Christ dwell in us "richly" in hopes of securing "every good work" should know the difference between studying for God's approval verses, securing the "corner" (Acts 26:26) to pack it in.

I’m not sure what that has to do with the OP. Can you help me out?

Tigger45 · May 1, 2021

Jesus is in charge and has all authority but only believers can and will acknowledge that but ultimately Romans 14:11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.'"

1watchman · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
The question of Jesus as king, whether it is now or later, has come up. So I have a question.
If Jesus said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, who is in charge here?

Are you truly ignorant of that, friend, or are you just challenging those who doubt who is 'in charge'? CERTAINLY our Creator-God is ALWAYS in charge; and the Lord Jesus who IS God manifested in a man, did a work of redemption to bring true seekers to our Creator --the "Holy Spirit", to become a Heavenly people. Man has a choice --allowed by God to come to Him or not. Man has freedom today to ignore God or be saved for Heaven forever (John 3; John 14). Satan is called: "the god of this world", and he has liberty here to test God's people as to whom they will serve.

In a day yet to come, God will bring this age of grace to a close and will call up His "bride" to Heaven --the universal Church, and then Satan will reign in terrible times for seven years on earth for those 'left behind'; thereafter Satan will be cast into Hell fire. I can share more if one is truly interested in the big picture. Feel free to write me at PM if you would like to chat, friend.

Hammster · May 1, 2021

1watchman said:
Are you truly ignorant of that or are you just challenging those who doubt who is 'in charge'? CERTAINLY our Creator-God is ALWAYS in charge; and the Lord Jesus who IS God manifested in a man, did a work of redemption to bring true seekers to our Creator --the "Holy Spirit", to become a Heavenly people. Man has a choice --allowed by God to come to Him or not. Man has freedom today to ignore God or be saved for Heaven forever. Satan is called: "the god of this world", and he has liberty here to test God's people as to whom they will serve.

In a day yet to come, God will bring this age of grace to a close and will call up His "bride" to Heaven --the universal Church, and then Satan will reign in terrible times for seven years on earth for those 'left behind'; thereafter Satan will be cast into Hell fire. I can share more if one is truly interested in the big picture. Feel free to write me at PM if you would like to chat, friend.

If Jesus had all authority now, how can Satan be god of this world?

Halbhh · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
The question of Jesus as king, whether it is now or later, has come up. So I have a question.

If Jesus said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, who is in charge here?

He doesn't force anyone it seems. Throughout scripture we see over and over instructions given to people -- people are being told what they should do.

And that means they aren't being forced or controlled.

If we are trusting in Christ, following Him, then He is in charge for us, individually.

It will come -- the time -- when He will be the only King. No one will any longer try to be the King for their own life... But that hasn't yet come.
It will.

Hammster · May 1, 2021

Halbhh said:
He doesn't force anyone it seems. Throughout scripture we see over and over instructions given to people -- people are being told what they should do.

And that means they aren't being forced or controlled.

If we are trusting in Christ, following Him, then He is in charge for us, individually.

It will come -- the time -- when He will be the only King. No one will any longer try to be the King for their own life... But that hasn't yet come.
It will.

Does He have all authority?

Halbhh · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
Does He have all authority?

He has all the only true and real authority, that from God.

2BeholdHisGlory · May 1, 2021

I found a more recent one, and I took the colors out of the first post

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me

Ecc 8:4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?"

John 4:27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

Job 9:12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

Ezek 12:9 Son of man, hath not the house of Israel, the rebellious house, said unto thee, What doest thou?

I edited in and changed the colors, I just thought these were neat concerning the word of a King and how they were laid out.

Aldo Tekoa · May 1, 2021

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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.Ephesians 6 12

Satan roams as a hungry lion seeking whom to devour. The prince of the air.

I think Christ (God) has authority here but is letting history run its course. Satan is pulling the levers and it surely appears he's in control creating havoc and misery and fooling many - but an illusion ultimately...
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Hammster · May 1, 2021

Halbhh said:
He has all the only true and real authority, that from God.

So He’s in charge.

Hammster · May 1, 2021

Aldo Tekoa said:
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.Ephesians 6 12

Satan roams as a hungry lion seeking whom to devour. The prince of the air.

I think Christ (God) has authority here but is letting history run its course. Satan is pulling the levers and it surely appears he's in control creating havoc and misery and fooling many - but an illusion ultimately...
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Is the Kingdom growing like He said in Matthew 13?

d taylor · May 1, 2021

satan is still in possession of the earthly kingdoms, and Israel is basically in timeout out now. But as satan is in possession of the earthly kingdoms, God appoints the Kings to rule the kingdoms.

Tigger45 · May 1, 2021

Even under the Old Covenant Satan could only do what God allowed him to do showing who’s ultimately in charge even then.

Job 1:12 The Lord said to Satan,* ‘Very well, all that he has is in your power; only do not stretch out your hand against him!’ So Satan* went out from the presence of the Lord.

Aldo Tekoa · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
Is the Kingdom growing like He said in Matthew 13?

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Good question. I'm not really tuned in much these dayz with the 'world' - it's getting too bizarre. I think tho we have seen many 'cultural Christians' tho fall away...
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Lion IRC · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
Does He have all authority?

Yes. I would say He does.
...and always has.

To use a secular analogy, the parliament/congress has authority, law enforcement has authority, judges have authority, prison wardens have authority. And yet people still choose to test that authority and commit crime.

I dont see the roaming of satan as mutually exclusive or contradictory of God's authority. Should we fear that God has lost control?

1watchman · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
If Jesus had all authority now, how can Satan be god of this world?

The Biblical answer to that is that 'god of this world' should not be understood as over-all authority or power, but as one allowed liberty by our Creator-God to be 'a god' over man for the flesh seekers to follow. Those who are not "born again" as "saints" ---sanctified ones (note John 3:16), are under the control of Satan. I hope this helps you, and you will come to receive God's salvation and truth in His "..beloved Son"! It would be helpful for a sincere seeker to read the Bible daily and learn about the real God of creation (as John 3; John 14; Romans 8; etc.); and learn of Redemption Way; Church Truth; and Spiritual Life. Satan loves to have us just reason ---and follow what he plants in our mind as such challenges for deceit (the 'beguiler', as God calls him).

GDL · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
If Jesus said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, who is in charge here?

I'm sure you're using "If" rhetorically, since He did say it (Matthew 28:18), and He said it right after there was apparently some confusion about bowing to Him (Matthew 28:17). So, what's not to believe? He's in charge, and whatever is going on He's allowing, and even facilitating in ways for His reasons. And, with this context, it seems to me that our charge is to make His "all authority" clear to the nations of the world (Matthew 28:19-20)

Re: the adversary as "ruler of this world," verses like these should be considered:

NKJ John 12:31 "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

NKJ John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.

NKJ John 16:11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

There was a lot of talk elsewhere re: John18:36. Theses following translations should be considered when thinking Jesus' Kingdom is "not of this world." One of the most straight-forward translations of the Greek word is "from" having to do with source:

NET John 18:36 Jesus replied, "My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here."

CJB John 18:36 Yeshua answered, "My kingship does not derive its authority from this world's order of things. If it did, my men would have fought to keep me from being arrested by the Judeans. But my kingship does not come from here."

There are also some other things to consider re: what has happened:

NKJ 2 Timothy 1:10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

NET Hebrews 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil),

NKJ James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Sounds to me like the King is in control and has at minimum taken care of the legal matters re: the above.

And, this is how Paul really evangelized about Christ as can be seen in his reference in Acts of the Apostles 13:33. Here's the link about the coronation of the King of kings - YHWH's Anointed (Christ): Psalms 2.

Also: Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Christ is a title that includes His Kingship.

rocknanchor · May 1, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m not sure what that has to do with the OP. Can you help me out?

Hammster said:
If Jesus said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, who is in charge here?

Because, “every good work” is born of God in us, those of us who believe. Not just believe the letter, but draw upon our trust in the resurrection power. Otherwise, the same ancient refusal remains wherein God resists which leaves us to journey amongst the wicked.

“, , what have I to do with judging them that are without?”

“If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed.”

The gulf that divides.

Therefore, who’s in charge? That depends upon God’s people and their willingness to be led around as sheep to the slaughter or not and no one else, for many sleep and thereby allow it.

Who is in charge here?

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