More Racism from the Left

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Imprecise speech?

Like....systemic racism, white supremacy, and my personal favorite "whiteness".

I don't think the left gets to whine about imprecise speech. When they say that this is a white supremacist nation and Tim Scott says we aren't a racist nation...

I think you know exactly what he's saying.
Nations can't be white supremacists or racist and I have never claimed they are, of can.

I know what I'm saying; this was imprecise speech. Even though he isn't the first to use it.
 
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So could it be a cultural thing then?
It seems absolutely true. If it was systemic racism, or any racism, there would be absolutely no reason why a 1st generation or 2nd generation African immigrants should be doing so much better than native born black Americans. The only difference is their cultures.
 
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Nations can't be white supremacists or racist and I have never claimed they are, of can.

Lot of that talk going round.

I know what I'm saying; this was imprecise speech. Even though he isn't the first to use it.

I'm sure he'll clear it up for you if you shoot him an email.
 
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Nations can't be white supremacists or racist and I have never claimed they are, of can.

I know what I'm saying; this was imprecise speech. Even though he isn't the first to use it.

Do you believe this country is a racist country?
 
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Well what he LITERALLY said was nonsense. So folks have to kind of figure it out

What he said was "America is not a racist country." He said he has experienced racism in this country. Now, I'm sure that people in your country have experienced racism as well. Does that mean your country is a racist country?

Your claims of "imprecise" language makes no sense. And as I've read your explanation and listened to his speech, it still makes no sense.

You said "
It seems pretty strange to me that this man who has experienced racism in the states as a black person argue that the states isn't racist; it's not something that's easily understood to me"

Indicating you believe that if someone has experienced racism therefore the "states" which is our country is racist. Otherwise it would make sense to you.

Are there no racist occurances in Canada? Is Canada a racist country?
 
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Really, what does that mean exactly?
The Nation’s Constitution and subsequent Laws and regulations are designed to be “race neutral”. The Rule of Law that corrals our freedoms (to the extent that it does), favors no race above another. Officially.

Real World® Experience shows us that if this were true, then we would expect to see similar financial mobility up the socioeconomic ladder by poor, working class, middle class whites and blacks, but this isn’t the case.

It’s not the Law’s fault, it’s writ right!
Why the discrepancy?
Are black people “different” somehow that we’re not accounting for...or maybe the people who do not work for any aspect of our various governments, (Federal, state and local, (and maybe some that do?)), just want the freedom to keep doing business as usual?

Yep, it’s an interesting topic.
 
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The problem is that you haven't shown disparity = racism.

In fact, we know you don't believe it.

If we bring up disparities between whites and asians....suddenly you'll find all sorts of reasons for those disparities that don't involve racism.
Not to mention the disparity between African immigrants and native born black Americans.
 
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The Nation’s Constitution and subsequent Laws and regulations are designed to be “race neutral”. The Rule of Law that corrals our freedoms (to the extent that it does), favors no race above another. Officially.

Real World® Experience shows us that if this were true, then we would expect to see similar financial mobility up the socioeconomic ladder by poor, working class, middle class whites and blacks, but this isn’t the case.

It’s not the Law’s fault, it’s writ right!
Why the discrepancy?
Are black people “different” somehow that we’re not accounting for...or maybe the people who do not work for any aspect of our various governments, (Federal, state and local, (and maybe some that do?)), just want the freedom to keep doing business as usual?

Yep, it’s an interesting topic.
So why the disparity between 1st and second generation African immigrants and native born black americans? Why are immigrants from Ghana and Nigeria doing so much better than the black Americans in Democrat cities?
 
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The only systemic racism I have seen in the last several years comes from the democratic party. It is almost exclusively directed at those blacks who, in their opinion, have 'wandered off the plantation' so to speak. Case in point: Texas Dem official faces demands to resign for calling Tim Scott 'an oreo'
One has to wonder if the decades of supporting and defending slavery and Jim Crow laws has so imbued the democratic party with racism that the only way to eradicate it is to dismantle the party and throw it on the ash heap of society as one more failed political philosophy.
 
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A country can't be racist. Tim Scott is correct, America isn't a racist country. It is also not a happy, sad or angry country. Countries don't have feelings.

I wonder where Sen. Scott got that idea that some say America is racist.
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The only systemic racism I have seen in the last several years comes from the democratic party. It is almost exclusively directed at those blacks who, in their opinion, have 'wandered off the plantation' so to speak. Case in point: Texas Dem official faces demands to resign for calling Tim Scott 'an oreo'
One has to wonder if the decades of supporting and defending slavery and Jim Crow laws has so imbued the democratic party with racism that the only way to eradicate it is to dismantle the party and throw it on the ash heap of society as one more failed political philosophy.
the only racism you've noticed is racism from the Democrats?

Well there's your problem!!
 
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I wonder where Sen. Scott got that idea that some say America is racist.
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It's bizarre to watch them see a million bloviating hyperbolic race baiters say America is racist for years....

And as soon as Tim Scott addresses it, they pretend no one has been saying it.

It's a level of denial that's ridiculous.
 
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Real World® Experience shows us that if this were true, then we would expect to see similar financial mobility up the socioeconomic ladder by poor, working class, middle class whites and blacks
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Why?
 
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Here is an interesting article which shows that African immigrants in the United States do much better than native born black Americans. If systemic racism exists, this should not happen. This is evidence that what Tim Scott is saying is true.

African immigrants adapt well
Did you read the manuscript? In their conclusion the authors state:
Nonetheless, the paper sheds important insight on how immigrants from Africa are adjusting to life in the US. It demonstrates that African-born immigrants are one of the most economically active immigrant groups in the country. Relative either to the foreign-born population or the entire US population, African-born immigrants possess higher rates of post-secondary education as well as higher labor participation rates. However, when it comes to economic-based indicators such as household income and housing ownership, African-born immigrants lag significantly behind both the foreign-born population and the national average, which suggests that they face a number of structural barriers on the labor market. This has led to higher than normal rates of poverty within this population.

Those that do better do better because they come to the country with higher levels of education. Nonetheless, they still lag behind non-black immigrants and the mostly white population. To argue that they are doing well and not meeting the same types of discrimination would be false and not supported by this paper. The main conclusion of the paper is that you can't treat African immigrants as the same, some are doing well (usually because they come from a higher educational background), those without an educational background lag behind (like those fleeing from war). The article points out the heterogeneity of the immigrant experience. It's the same thing when looking at Asian immigrants. Lumping Chinese or Korean immigrants with Hmong or Laotian immigrants ignores the fact that these groups vary significantly when comparing, education, employment and income (i.e., Chinese and Korean immigrants have significantly lower poverty levels compared to Hmong or Laotian immigrants).
 
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The Nation’s Constitution and subsequent Laws and regulations are designed to be “race neutral”. The Rule of Law that corrals our freedoms (to the extent that it does), favors no race above another. Officially.

Real World® Experience shows us that if this were true, then we would expect to see similar financial mobility up the socioeconomic ladder by poor, working class, middle class whites and blacks, but this isn’t the case.

It’s not the Law’s fault, it’s writ right!
Why the discrepancy?
Are black people “different” somehow that we’re not accounting for...or maybe the people who do not work for any aspect of our various governments, (Federal, state and local, (and maybe some that do?)), just want the freedom to keep doing business as usual?

Yep, it’s an interesting topic.

Actually evidence prives otherwise. The upward mobility is there for all races of people. 50% of blacks are middle class. And wage disparities between races are extremely minor. So the evidence prices that people from all races can and do have the ability and opportunity to move out of poor conditions. And when they do they earn the proper out of money. The real question is why don't they?

It's not racism that is keeping them from doing so. There is no evidence for that.
 
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