White Farmers Denied Loans Because....White

Ana the Ist said:

You may not have any sympathy for whites....what about jews? They're excluded too it appears.

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Only white Jews.

disciple Clint said:

Fantastic what exactly do you know about my behavior, how long have you known me, how much time have you spent with me, or do you simply have an ideal of what race I might be and have profiled me based on that?

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I honestly don't care what your race is, as I said I based my opinions on what you ha r shared on cf.
When this topic came up in a thread back in January you shared your feelings then....and it had nothing to do with you being upset that black farmers were unable to get access to trumps bailouts.

But yes I'm sure outside of Christian forums you are a true pioneer in the fight against systemic racism.

Ana the Ist said:

I wasn't alive.

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You weren't alive in 2019? Crazy.
I gotta say kudos on how well you type for a 2 year old then!

Or did you mean 1999?

Ana the Ist said:

Well if you want to get technical....I believe that Biden's stimulus plan is technically a bill.

The group of plaintiffs includes farmers from Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Dakota and Ohio. According to the lawsuit, the Biden administration's COVID-19 stimulus plan provides $4 billion to forgive loans for socially disadvantaged farmers and ranchers who are Black, American Indian, Hispanic, Alaskan native, Asian American or Pacific Islander.

Once the bill was passed....it's technically a law.

You can deny this all you want.....but it explicitly states which races can apply for the loans.

You may not have any sympathy for whites....what about jews? They're excluded too it appears.

You know what wasn't a law? Redlining.

Redlining was a practice. It denied people loans by race.

Are you against this sort of racist trash or are you defending it?

It seems rather clear that you're defending it.

So defend it. Defend racial discrimination. Stand up for what you believe.

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So you're angry that Biden's bill has measures in it to combat systemic racism? Got it.

It comes down to the fact that there are those who, like me, see systemic racism and those who, like you, do not.

Since those who do not see it are in denial of its existence then any measures to remedy it are seen as "racist". This was cleverly pointed out already by @Oneiric1975 when she said that it was funny how quickly people see racism against their own demographic despite failing to see it against those of other demographics.

If you want to perpetuate a system in which racism is endemic then you shouldn't be surprised when race is used in providing remedy. If you find the remedy "racist" then it's only because of the racist system that you choose to deny is racist.

What's your solution to the racism that black (and other) people have been very loudly and explicitly telling us about for decades? The systemic racism which they have been literally taking to the streets about and ramping up how explicitly and overtly they have been in the present time?

Your solution - and correct me if I'm wrong - is to simply deny that such racism exists, to say that they are wrong, to say nothing needs to be done, to blame the victims for complaining about something because you believe it doesn't exist.

Well, the majority of society is waking up to the reality that it does exist and must be addressed as it directly affects the lives of our fellow Americans. It's been presented to you and those with your viewpoint numerous times but you ignore it.

The only viable solution at this point is to actively combat the systemic racism with direct action, much as affirmative action was intended to do and has done. It's a good way for those of us who know systemic racism exists to say to those who deny it, "Oh...do I have your attention now?"

So continue to deny the real racism. The response will of course appear "racist" to you because it is indeed a direct reflection, the other side of the coin, of the systemic racism that it's fighting. It's just like during the Civil Rights movement, when cops would protect black people from angry white mobs. Very easy for the white people then to say "That's racist, you are giving them special protection because they're black and you're not giving that to us because we're white!!!" - and they did say that, among many other things. They were content to ignore the racism that brought them to that point but not happy when they faced justice for being part of it.

And that's what we're seeing here. Cry "racist" all you want but nobody will take seriously someone who cries "racism!" after that same person has affirmed up till now that racism does not even exist.

Keep defending that trash if you want but I can't accept your complaints of "racism" after you've told me repeatedly that it doesn't exist in this country.

disciple Clint said:

How do you know what I did or did not do, sounds like you are making judgments based on race.

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disciple Clint said:

Fantastic what exactly do you know about my behavior, how long have you known me, how much time have you spent with me, or do you simply have an ideal of what race I might be and have profiled me based on that?

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Don't take it personal a common debate tactic when you run out of sustainable facts is to question the opponent. If you fall for the tactic, they feel as though they have won a point.

ArmenianJohn said:

There is no such law.

These white farmers have to take responsibility for themselves. They need to fix the problems in their own community instead of trying to blame everyone else by playing the race card when they don't get their way.

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Question:
Would that be hailed as truth - or would it be labeled a racist statement?

Oneiric1975 said:

Not at all! But then I also don't deny the existence of racism when black people are affected. I'm not the one re-defining entire swaths of the English language in order to avoid seeing the systemic racism in the US against black people.

I think racism is wrong no matter what.

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What about racism against any race? Or is your sympathy only for one specific race? If, as is stated, racism is wrong no matter what - then it really shouldn't be just one race focused on.

Regardless of which race - if an individuals, or groups race is a determining factor for whatever purpose, that in itself is racist. People should not be judged by the color their skin, no matter what that color is.

hislegacy said:

What about racism against any race? Or is your sympathy only for one specific race? If, as is stated, racism is wrong no matter what - then it really shouldn't be just one race focused on.

Regardless of which race - if an individuals, or groups race is a determining factor for whatever purpose, that in itself is racist. People should not be judged by the color their skin, no matter what that color is.

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Agreed. Now let's go deal with the systemic racism that has plagued this country since in inception rather than finding excuses to let white people off the hook.

hislegacy said:

If I posted "These black's have to take responsibility for themselves. They need to fix the problems in their own community instead of trying to blame everyone else by playing the race card when they don't get their way.
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Would that be hailed as truth - or would it be labeled a racist statement?

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It would be another standard example of "blame the victim" and "whining". The phrase "play the race card when they don't get their way" is a tell-tale sign of standard issue whining and racist rhetoric.

Note how quickly the "race card" was played by white folks when a single piece legislation was proposed to give black farmers some respite.

Oneiric1975 said:

It would be another standard example of "blame the victim" and "whining". The phrase "play the race card when they don't get their way" is a tell-tale sign of standard issue whining and racist rhetoric.

Note how quickly the "race card" was played by white folks when a single piece legislation was proposed to give black farmers some respite.

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I'm not white and I am not playing a race card -

neither was the person in my signature.

History is filled with examples of people of EVERY race succeeding and failing in America - it is why our nation is known as the "Land of opportunity".

Name a race that has not engaged in slavery at some point in their history - there isn't one, not one.

Is there racism in America - yes, name a country where there isn't.

I firmly stand against racism, but I also firmly stand with holding individuals accountable for their own actions.

Oneiric1975 said:

Note how quickly the "race card" was played by white folks when a single piece legislation was proposed to give black farmers some respite.

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That is ridiculous IMHO, how quickly does Al Sharpton pull the race card at every chance he gets - how quickly does CNN and major media pull the race card to promote propaganda.

Look back, read for yourself the number of times there has been a tragedy and the media promoted the race card and then had to either retract their story of make it fade away because they found out the perpetrator wasn't white.

hislegacy said:

I'm not white and I am not playing a race card -

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But the folks who are clutching their pearls over this proposed legislation are.

hislegacy said:

That is ridiculous IMHO, how quickly does Al Sharpton pull the race card at every chance he gets - how quickly does CNN and major media pull the race card to promote propaganda.

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It is a struggle to listen to people complain about being discriminated against, isn't it?

Oneiric1975 said:

But the folks who are clutching their pearls over this proposed legislation are.

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Horse Hockey - the left does not like it when they are exposed for the racist intonations they use - it has been that way since the 1800's.

Oneiric1975 said:

It is a struggle to listen to people complain about being discriminated against, isn't it?

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Not if it is valid and not painted with a broad brush.

hislegacy said:

Not if it is valid and not painted with a broad brush.

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Well, thankfully we have you to tell us who is complaining rightly and who is complaining wrongly. It must be a heavy burden.

hislegacy said:

This is quickly developing into the newest form of racism, coming from uniquely Democratic politicians.

City of Oakland Mayor is branded racist for giving families of color $500 a month if they earn under $59,000 with no rules on how they spend it - but offering poor white families nothing​

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You'll notice that the experimental program is to be privately funded, not tax-payer funded.

There was confusion about who could enter the lottery that was cleared up. It could be that the private donor wanted their money to go to certain groups only, not whites, but that isn't the final case.
I think that would be foolish when they are going to be looking at whether this money helps families get out of poverty. What are they doing with that money? Will one group fair better than another and if so why?

Is Oakland Offering "Guaranteed Income" Only to People of Color?

Oneiric1975 said:

Well, thankfully we have you to tell us who is complaining rightly and who is complaining wrongly. It must be a heavy burden.

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We? You got a frog in your pocket?

Come now, you certainly have a better retort than that seemingly sophomoric reply.

Hank77 said:

You'll notice that the experimental program is to be privately funded, not tax-payer funded.

There was confusion about who could enter the lottery that was cleared up. It could be that the private donor wanted their money to go to certain groups only, not whites, but that isn't the final case.
I think that would be foolish when they are going to be looking at whether this money helps families get out of poverty. What are they doing with that money? Will one group fair better than another and if so why?

Is Oakland Offering "Guaranteed Income" Only to People of Color?

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It was being done through the city using private funds. That is why the city was held accountable.

Icam glad they corrected the racist approach.

hislegacy said:

We? You got a frog in your pocket?

Come now, you certainly have a better retort than that seemingly sophomoric reply.

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It is only "seemingly".

Ana the Ist said:

White farmers sue seeking government loan forgiveness

A group of Midwestern farmers sued the federal government Thursday alleging they can't participate in a COVID-19 loan forgiveness program because they're white.

The group of plaintiffs includes farmers from Wisconsin, Minnesota, South Dakota and Ohio. According to the lawsuit, the Biden administration's COVID-19 stimulus plan provides $4 billion to forgive loans for socially disadvantaged farmers and ranchers who are Black, American Indian, Hispanic, Alaskan native, Asian American or Pacific Islander.

And of course...

Were plaintiffs eligible for the loan forgiveness benefit, they would have the opportunity to make additional investments in their property, expand their farms, purchase equipment and supplies, and otherwise support their families and local communities,” the lawsuit said. “Because plaintiffs are ineligible to even apply for the program solely due to their race, they have been denied the equal protection of the law and therefore suffered harm."

Yeah...of course they were denied equal protection. The law discriminates by race.

I have no problem if Democrats want to pass different laws for different races.

There's a process for that. They can rescind the 14th Amendment. They just have to stand up in front of everyone and explain why civil rights are bad and racial discrimination is good. Then they just need to pass it and have all states ratify it.

Civil rights guarantee the law cannot discriminate against a certain race.

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It is interesting that reparations require abandoning the civil rights act of 1964. Who knew the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was racist and intended to protect privileged whites from suffering the consequences of their sins.