Under Biden, US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being global leader in Vaxx

pescador said:

What is the point of all this? Most of us already own a Bible.

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What are the main themes of these Bible passages, and how do they relate to this topic?

ArmenianJohn said:

Trump wanted to inject bleach into people's lungs, not vaccines into arms. Most of Trump's supporters are against the vaccine. And I'm pretty sure that the Pharma companies developed the vaccines - that's kinda what they do, whereas Trump doesn't have an education in bio-chem.

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Well Biden does not have a medical degree either but you would like to give him credit for the injections people are receiving. And the facts are that Trump never endorsed injecting bleach but never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to discredit Trump.

ArmenianJohn said:

Biden simply facilitated things for the injections to become possible.

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...using vaccines made possible by the Trump administration when the Democratic contenders for the presidential nomination of their party were saying it was impossible to do...and were also claiming that President Trump was misleading the American people by saying that a vaccine could be made available in less than several years.

So, you got it backwards, but we do have the vaccines now, so that much was correct.

Albion said:

...using vaccines made possible by the Trump administration when the Democratic contenders for the presidential nomination of their party were saying it was impossible to do...and were also claiming that President Trump was misleading the American people by saying that a vaccine could be made available in less than several years.

So, you got it backwards, but we do have the vaccines now, so that much was correct.

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I’m confused... was it you who started the threads about all the deaths the vaccines are supposedly causing? It seems you want to at the same time give Trump the credit for us having them and discredit the vaccines themselves as dangerous or unnecessary. I’ve been seeing this trick a lot lately from the right. It’s like they’re not sure what position to take on it.

GoldenBoy89 said:

I’m confused... was it you who started the threads about all the deaths the vaccines are supposedly causing? It seems you want to at the same time give Trump the credit for us having them and discredit the vaccines themselves as dangerous or unnecessary. I’ve been seeing this trick a lot lately from the right. It’s like they’re not sure what position to take on it.

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Luckily (for them, at least) their base doesn't seem to catch on to the flip flopping.

GoldenBoy89 said:

I’m confused... was it you who started the threads about all the deaths the vaccines are supposedly causing?

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No.

Albion said:

No.

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Apologies! I found the thread I had in mind and you’re right, it was not you who started that one.

ArmenianJohn said:

Honestly it's not clear at all what those have in common, nor what they have to do with the OP.

In a discussion forum, it's typically helpful to lay out your thoughts along with your sources. Your point may not be obvious even though you think it is (as is the case with your post). I couldn't even consider your post because I didn't (and still don't) have any idea what point you're trying to make, especially in relation to the OP.

You may think your point is obvious, but judging by the lack of responses to your post and the one response that asked what your post was about, it seems clear that your point was not obvious to anyone else but yourself.

If you just want to put it out there and you don't mind people ignoring it and not responding then I guess it doesn't matter if people understand your point or not, but if you want people to discuss with you (which I'd presume you'd want as this is a "dicsussion" forum) then it would benefit you to make your point as clear as possible to the others in the forum.

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Yes, I do see your point. I apologize for not being clear enough. This is why it is extremely important to KNOW Scripture, not just simply memorize it. I recommend reading, studying, and knowing Scripture, daily.

What has been provided contains truth about pride and the power of words, as was being discussed in this topic. Until my first post was made, there was a clear distinction in what was said between the two presidents. Users were also engaging in a "He Said, She Said" argument with minimal evidence. Psalm 146 is a reminder from God to put our trust in Him, not man (Hebrews 11:1-40, Philippians 2:1-11). I see too many users put their faith in political parties rather than God, His Word, and the One He has sent. NEVER cherry-pick verses to support your political beliefs, otherwise that is serving man, not God. Selfish ambition (Galatians 5:13-26, James 3:13-18, Philippians 2:1-4).

If politically charged scorn and arguments are resonating with users, on a Christian Forum, more than the actual Bible itself, then that is extremely disappointing (James 4:6, John 14:15-24, 1 Timothy 6:3-10, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, 2 Peter 2:18-22, Psalms 1:1).

This is all I have to say for now. I also need to apply my own advice due to recent events. I still have much to do with studying and other things. To eat an elephant, it has to be one bite at a time.

God bless!


On May 1, 2021, at roughly 12:10 AM Eastern Time, I have added Scripture to these disclaimers, and am planning to continue doing so (John 13:1-17, Luke 16:1-15, Matthew 7:13-29). My apologies, I am still learning because I am a flawed human being who is predisposed towards selfishness.

On April 30, 2021, at roughly 11:10 AM Eastern Time, I have changed my opinion in the third paragraph to something much more honest. I should much rather offend you all to Heaven than flatter you all to Hell. My deepest apologies, I am still learning because I am a flawed human being who is predisposed towards selfishness.

ArmenianJohn said:

Biden simply facilitated things for the injections to become possible. He made the federal government's role helpful to the states and local authorities who are handling the injections. He provided leadership where Trump did not.

As for Trump suggesting injection of bleach, he did suggest injection of "disinfectant" for sure:
Trump suggests 'injection' of disinfectant to beat coronavirus and 'clean' the lungs (nbcnews.com)
"I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
LOL, injecting Lysol!!!

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Clearly that was an observation and a question, not a suggestion that anyone should inject anything.

disciple Clint said:

Clearly that was an observation and a question, not a suggestion that anyone should inject anything.

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The stable genius didn’t already know that injecting disinfectant is contraindicated in people who wish to live?
Good thing he asked, then, huh?

Pommer said:

The stable genius didn’t already know that injecting disinfectant is contraindicated in people who wish to live?
Good thing he asked, then, huh?

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This get so old, anything to take a snipe at Trump.

disciple Clint said:

This get so old, anything to take a snipe at Trump.

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Only a year old, April 23rd was the one-year anniversary.
The man “winged it” throughout his time in office, this was that, out in the open, for everyone to see.
But please, defend this some more!

Pommer said:

Only a year old, April 23rd was the one-year anniversary.
The man “winged it” throughout his time in office, this was that, out in the open, for everyone to see.
But please, defend this some more!

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I love it when the MSM puts out a false report and people swallow it hook line and sinker.

Oneiric1975 said:

Well, SOME of us watched Trump in real time. So you can blame the media but not all of us are stupid and we saw what Trump did.

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Absolutely ... and what WE SAW Trump do was ...

* Denied the dangers of the pandemic from day 1 ... to the end of his presidency ... (I do recall that there was a breakthrough of frankness in late March 2020 that lasted about a day or so ...)
* Simultaneously admitted to Bob Woodford that the pandemic was devastating
* Refused to mount a federal response to the pandemic
* Pretended that the US was doing better than other countries with the pandemic
* Publicly lamented on how the pandemic was decimating his economy
* Led a 30 day national lockdown
* Continuously alleged that the only reason why our numbers were high ... was because we tested too much
* Privately agitated for LESS testing
* Criticized state governors left to manage COVID on their own
* Pushed non-FDA-approved medications to stave off COVID infection
* Held daily briefings for a few months, ... then didn't ...
* Motivated notable face-palming among his COVID initiative staff
* Publicly contradicted his COVID initiative staff
* Ultimately sidelined his COVID initiative staff
* Agitated early for opening up ... leading to second wave of infections
* Pressured the CDC and FDA to change their COVID guidance
* Refused to wear a mask in public for months
* Held numerous maskless events ... which were demonstrated to have spread COVID
* Eventually got COVID himself, and his wife, child, along with numerous personal staff
* Appeared to be an example of the worst possible patient any medical professional could ever imagine
* Periodically publicly lamented that COVID had stolen the national stage
* "COVID, COVID, COVID ... "

... and that's just off the top of my head ...

stevil said:

Trump himself was very reluctant to wear masks, he publicly stated before the cameras that he wouldn't be wearing one. The right wing media and some right wing Republican politicians made mask wearing to be a political issue. MAGA fans denounced mask wearing and labelled it as virtue shaming by the liberals.

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One of Trump's enduring legacies is that there is an entire pocket of the American population which is single-mindedly dedicated to non-masking, ... and, coincidentally, non-vaccination. There is no sign that this will ever be counteracted.

If Trump was anything ... he was effective when he put his mind to it ...

hislegacy said:

What exactly has Biden done?

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Biden has motivated and supported the nation's fight (Trump called it a war) against COVID ... ending a previous period of seemingly stark resignation where "herd immunity" was being touted as a viable plan ...

disciple Clint said:

They can thank Trump for having a vaccine far before the experts such as Fauci said it could be produced.

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The vaccine got to Americans in about a year.

Exactly how far off was Fauci ?

disciple Clint said:

... most people are a little too smart to believe that anyone other than Trump put the vaccine on a fast track that has never been seen before it was a fantastic accomplishment that required the coordination of industry and medicine. People said it could not be done but Trump did it.

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Do you realize how propagandist this reads ???