So they didn??t have the free will to obey the command so your saying that no matter what they do they could not possibly fall away from Christ? Then why tell them to remain in the first place if it is impossible for them to fall away? You honestly refuse to even think about what your implying here. Your saying that Jesus told them not to do something that, according to you, is impossible for them to do. If it??s impossible for someone to fall away from Christ then how is it that He said in verse 6 anyone who does not remain in Me is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned? Then in verse 7 He says ??IF YOU REMAIN IN ME??. That??s an indication that they must meet a condition in order to receive the promise. If they could not possibly fall away then He would??ve said ??since you will remain in Me or because you will remain in Me. Using the word IF indicates a condition that must be met.
You convey that God is weak and incapable of keeping persons that God saves from the wrath of God; on the other hand, Lord Jesus says "no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28), and that "no one" is neither the person nor other persons.
You honestly refuse to even think about what your saying here, which is that your writing contradicts the Word of God.
You are doing just what the original post says free-willians do, which is, you circle back to that which has been proven in the Word of God to be free-willian error.
In verse 6, you add to scripture because you wrote "anyone who does not remain in Me is cast away"; on the other hand, Lord Jesus says "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away" (John 15:6).
There is a an eternally significant difference between your imaginary imposition upon the Word of God versus the actual Word of God.
For verse 6, you express that persons inside Christ are cast out in direct opposition to the Word expressing that persons outside of Christ are cast out.
In verse 7, the Word of God issues a warning, and that warning can bring shivers up the spine of believers who fear disappointing the Lord since we believers love the Lord and we believers cherish the love of Christ!
In typical free-willian subtraction from scripture, you wrote "IF YOU REMAIN IN ME", yet you fail to include the second portion of the condition which is "and My words abide in you" (John 15:7); therefore, the Word of God shows just how His words do not abide in you because you wrote "anyone who does not remain in Me is cast away" regarding verse 6 of which those words are proven to NOT be the Lord's therein.
Now, you claim to be superior to the King of Glory when you wrote "He would've said" because King Jesus says exactly what He says, not what you say He would have said, but the King says exactly what He says. And, He says "no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28), so it is impossible for one inside of Christ to fall out of Christ.
Finally, about verse 7, you wrote "Using the word IF indicates a condition that must be met", and this is true; however, the conditional does not impart ability, so that makes the IF logic statement dependent upon the Christ Himself because He says "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5).
In verse 7, you convey that persons can remain in Christ of their own power apart from the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24) in direct opposition to the Word expressing that persons remain in Christ by the very Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24).
"Free-will" is not in the passage (John 15:6-7), but you convey that it is even though it is absent.
"Choose" is not in the passage(John 15:6-7), not even conjugates for "choose", but you convey that it is even though it is absent.
The John 15:4-10 passage is the perfect example of God in control of man's salvation.
The passage is the perfect example of God working fruit in we believers.
And, the Word of God says with relevance to John 15:4-10 when He says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).
So, all the good fruit, the good deeds, of we believers are wrought in God!
Anybody who claims otherwise is an attempted thief and liar.
THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT STATES MAN HAS A FREE WILL TO CHOOSE JESUS.
In fact, you, as a mere man, try to void the very Word of God that includes the words "choose" and "chose" that occurred at nearly the same time as Jesus says "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away" (John 15:6) and "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you" (John 15:7). Here following are the places that the very Word of God uses the words "choose" and "chose".
There is no level that a person can choose Lord Jesus because He says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) - Jesus, being God, did not provide any exception for choosing toward Jesus. Lord Jesus speaks to all believers in all time because He also said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20)! All these words of Jesus are at the same supper! All glory is God's! With man, salvation is impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)! All glory in the salvation of man is God's (John 15:5, Isaiah 42:8, Psalm 3:8)!
