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This is immensely helpful. Thank you.
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This is immensely helpful. Thank you.
that's why I mentioned Dr Renos, as he checks with the Fathers since he is so close to the monastery in Essex.
This seems to miss my point altogether. You said that he is a Jungian psychologist. It is no help to say that it is OK because he has a renowned spiritual father and hangs out at monasteries. The Jungian aspect is the darkest and most dangerous. I just about might as well say an Osteenian therapist. Such people are so out of touch with our Tradition that the truths they do speak are problematic. I say I am Chestertonian. But I think anyone has the right to question what is wrong in Chesterton and how he could lead me outside of Orthodox Tradition. And Chesterton is a heckuva lot closer to our Tradition, and outside of averring the Roman claims, notably of Roman and papal supremacy, he doesn't contradict our Faith but supports it at every turn. So I have a huge problem with someone engaged in a profession that professes by its very name to deal with the soul who sees Jung as a prime mentor. I don't care how many elders he hangs out with. It's one thing to take specific things a man of the world says and admire their support of our Faith; it is another to see one as a prime teacher. And I see Jung as sufficiently outside our Tradition to think him unacceptable as a prime mentor (the idea of considering oneself to be "Jungian").
I suppose the question then is, in what sense is he a Jungian?I didn't miss your point, rus. the reason I mentioned that he is Jungian was because Jung is so wacky, and yet Professor Renos isn't. it's because he not only has a renowned spiritual father and hangs out at monasteries, but that his spiritual father is very skeptical of modern psychology. so he runs himself through the monks to make sure he is in line with the tradition. I have heard this from his former students about him.
so, I disagree that pointing out that about him is no help.
I suppose the question then is, in what sense is he a Jungian?
What Platina said.I dunno the specifics. I do know that he has written about Jung. I also know that Dr Christopher Veniamin has basically said that Dr Renos is the best guy if you want to see a truly Orthodox approach to psychology.
What Platina said.
Having written a paper on somebody doesn't make you a disciple of that person. Maybe this Dr Renos is fine and not at all Jungian in that sense of discipleship. I don't know.
The objection would be if Mr. Renos thought Jung an important teacher and a central influence in his own life. In that case, I would be HIGHLY doubtful of the Orthodoxy of the man's mindset, no matter how someone tried to paint him, for exactly the same reasons I would reject the teaching of a man heavily dependent on Joel Osteen. So everything depends, not on the assurances of another priest or professional, but how much influence Jung has in this man's thought.
I grant that. It is to be hoped that the mind of the Church conforms us, who come in with the mind of the world, and sometimes thinking it to be the mind of the Church.if you knew how critical folks like Dr Veniamin and Fr Zacharias are of modern psychology, you would know how it hasn't impacted his Orthodox outlook. his Orthodox students have said as much as well.
I grant that. It is to be hoped that the mind of the Church conforms us, who come in with the mind of the world, and sometimes thinking it to be the mind of the Church.
May they be leaven in that godless field!indeed