Zech 6:12 "Branch" or "Orient"

Vanellus said:

Where is your evidence for "The nominalisation of the Greek word for "to sprout" happens to be spelled identically to the Greek noun ἀνατολή."

tsemach: a sprout, growth
Original Word: צֶמַח
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: tsemach
Phonetic Spelling: (tseh'-makh)
Definition: a sprout, growth

Original Word: ἀνατέλλω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: anatelló
Phonetic Spelling: (an-at-el'-lo)
Definition: to cause to rise, to rise
Usage: I make to rise, I rise, shine (generally of the sun, and hence met.).

With the Greek word the idea of rising can be applied to a sprouting plant or a sun/star so the two words don't have a one to one correspondence e.g. Num 24:17

LXX ανατελεί άστρον Here a star will rise
Hebrew: כּוֹכָ֜ב דָּרַ֨ךְ
So here the Gk word in question translates a different Hebrew word (meaning to come) since stars were thought to rise

So the LXX used ἀνατέλλω to translate the idea of rising which could be a sprouting plant but could also have a celestial meaning of a rising star or sun. Hence the related noun has the meaning of east which is used in the LXX to translate mizrah=east on numerous occasions.

How confident are we that the Hebrew version we have now is the original and the LXX is derived from it given that the oldest mss of the LXX predate the oldest Hebrew mss?

I'm not convinced that translating this word as "east" from the LXX is as way off beam as you think.

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Vanellus said:

Friedrich,

Asking the question:

Where is your evidence for "The nominalisation of the Greek word for "to sprout" happens to be spelled identically to the Greek noun ἀνατολή."

isn't "believing whatever I want". It's asking you to back up an earlier assertion with evidence.

And how can you assert there is "literally no difference" when one word is in Greek and the other is in Hebrew?

Best wishes,
Vanellus

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Vanellus said:

Do you mean "nominalisation" or "gerund"? for ἀνατολή in Zec 6:12?
I don't think a mere pair of brackets denotes gerund, even in German.

Nominalisation = "the process of making a noun from a verb or adjective" (i.e. deriving)

Gerund = any of various nonfinite verb forms in various languages; most often, but not exclusively, one that functions as a noun. In English, it has the properties of both verb and noun, such as being modifiable by an adverb and being able to take a direct object. The term "-ing form" is often used in English to refer to the gerund specifically.

I don't think these two definitions are identical
See Deverbal noun - Wikipedia
e.g.

• Catching fish is fun.

Here catching is a gerund; it takes an object (fish), like the verb catch.

• Shouting loudly is enjoyable.

Here shouting is a gerund; it is modified by the adverb loudly, like the verb shout.

• Loud shouting makes me angry.

Here shouting is a verbal noun; it is modified by an adjective loud (like a noun such as music).

From the link you provided:
Ανατολη ανατολη ανατολ·η (fem) nom|voc sg east [place] (nom|voc) Zec 6:12

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Vanellus said:

In #17 you wrote:
"It is a verb-form, a gerund"
In answer to my question
"Do you mean "nominalisation" or "gerund"? for ἀνατολή in Zec 6:12?"
You answered in #26
"Nominalisation"

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Vanellus said:

This is an English language forum.

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