“18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a COVID Vaccine”

muichimotsu · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
The argument has been substantiated in the OP. I get that there will be some areas of disagreement. I can’t think of too many ops where everyone agreed. But are we talking about the OP? Nope. Why? Genetic fallacies abound.

Have you substantiated the claims made in the link cited? If they are factually inaccurate, we can still point out the problems without it being a genetic fallacy, you're ignoring the forest for the trees of trying to get a "gotcha" moment instead of admitting your source may be flawed and it agreeing with your preconceptions doesn't mean anything in terms of an argument based on facts.

A_Thinker · Apr 28, 2021

Micaiah-Imla said:
God’s work is perfect.

Man’s work is flawed.

Why would I put my trust in man to extend my life?

"My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee." (Proverbs 3:1-2)

So, then, ... no vaccinations at all for you then ?

No medical attention whatsoever ? No prescriptions ?

Did medical personnel help to deliver your children ?

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

muichimotsu said:
Have you substantiated the claims made in the link cited? If they are factually inaccurate, we can still point out the problems without it being a genetic fallacy, you're ignoring the forest for the trees of trying to get a "gotcha" moment instead of admitting your source may be flawed and it agreeing with your preconceptions doesn't mean anything in terms of an argument based on facts.

The problem is that nobody has pointed out the “problems”. If folks would point out the “problems”, then we’d be discussing the OP. Pointing out problems with the source is, by example, a genetic fallacy.

Micaiah-Imla · Apr 28, 2021

A_Thinker said:
So, then, ... no vaccinations for you. No medical attention whatsoever ?

When God brought the children of Israel into the promised land he instructed them on worship locations and establishing places of refuge. He never told them to build a medical establishment.

"And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee." (Exodus 23:25)

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

Micaiah-Imla said:
When God brought the children of Israel into the promised land he instructed them on worship locations and establishing places of refuge. He never told them to build a medical establishment.

"And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee." (Exodus 23:25)

This really isn’t the topic.

A_Thinker · Apr 28, 2021

Micaiah-Imla said:
When God brought the children of Israel into the promised land he instructed them on worship locations and establishing places of refuge. He never told them to build a medical establishment.

"And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee." (Exodus 23:25)

And you (personally) abstain 100% from every form of human medical care ?

Do you have a dog ? Do you take it to the vet ?

Oh right, ... God didn't tell us to have pets ...

Micaiah-Imla · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
This really isn’t the topic.

I was only answering someone’s question.

gaara4158 · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Again, genetic fallacy.

It’s not the genetic fallacy to demonstrate the illegitimacy of a source making authoritative claims.

Micaiah-Imla · Apr 28, 2021

A_Thinker said:
So, then, ... no vaccinations at all for you then ?

No.

But I understand why some seem to mock my postings here and ignore the scriptures I post as though they were irrelevant:

"...they told you there should be mockers in the last time." (Jude 1:18)

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

gaara4158 said:
It’s not the genetic fallacy to demonstrate the illegitimacy of a source making authoritative claims.

Yes, it is. Showing that everywhere you’ve ever looked you’ve only seen white swans is not proof that black swans don’t exist.

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

Micaiah-Imla said:
I was only answering someone’s question.

You can stop.

Micaiah-Imla · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
You can stop.

Will there be an admonition to the person asking questions unrelated to the OP as well? Or is something I’m saying bothering you sir?

muichimotsu · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
The problem is that nobody has pointed out the “problems”. If folks would point out the “problems”, then we’d be discussing the OP. Pointing out problems with the source is, by example, a genetic fallacy.

Oh I don't know, the factual inaccuracies themselves. You want to focus on them criticizing the source when you apparently just have no critical regard to the claims they make, just assume they're true with no rationality.

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

muichimotsu said:
Oh I don't know, the factual inaccuracies themselves. You want to focus on them criticizing the source when you apparently just have no critical regard to the claims they make, just assume they're true with no rationality.

What factual inaccuracies would you be referring to?

Speedwell · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
And right off the bat, you started with a genetic fallacy. That was predictable.

Not really. You are not making an argument, merely posting an article as a reason you are not getting a vaccine. You made it very clear that you are not trying to use the information to persuade us not to get a vaccine. Consequently, when we point to the notorious unreliability of the source we are merely giving you a friendly warning. We don't want you making an important decision based on information which is most probably untrustworthy.

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

Speedwell said:
Not really. You are not making an argument, merely posting an article as a reason you are not getting a vaccine. You made it very clear that you are not trying to use the information to persuade us not to get a vaccine. Consequently, when we point to the notorious unreliability of the source we are merely giving you a friendly warning. We don't want you making an important decision based on information which is most probably untrustworthy.

No matter how you all dress it up, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

gaara4158 · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Yes, it is. Showing that everywhere you’ve ever looked you’ve only seen white swans is not proof that black swans don’t exist.

Nice pivot. Black swan fallacy is not the same as genetic fallacy, which is not the same as meeting an article from an unreliable source with great skepticism. It’s just good judgment.

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

gaara4158 said:
Nice pivot. Black swan fallacy is not the same as genetic fallacy, which is not the same as meeting an article from an unreliable source with great skepticism. It’s just good judgment.

I’m just trying to show various reasons why attacking the source is silly. That guy could be wrong about every single thing he posts. But that alone doesn’t make him wrong about this.

gaara4158 · Apr 28, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m just trying to show various reasons why attacking the source is silly. That guy could be wrong about every single thing he posts. But that alone doesn’t make him wrong about this.

No one said that’s what makes him wrong. His claims are wrong on their own merit. But the notorious unreliability of the source is sufficient reason not to take the claims at face value, or with any serious consideration at all. If his claims are correct, a more reliable source will corroborate.

Hammster · Apr 28, 2021

gaara4158 said:
No one said that’s what makes him wrong. His claims are wrong on their own merit. But the notorious unreliability of the source is sufficient reason not to take the claims at face value, or with any serious consideration at all. If his claims are correct, a more reliable source will corroborate.

They’re wrong on their own merit? Golly. Why didn’t someone just say so. All this time everyone was saying they were wrong because of the source. If someone would have just said that all 18 were wrong, that would’ve solved everything. Heck, there would be no reason to even say why. Could have even just used the hashtag #wrong, and we could have all moved on.

:doh:

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