6 States enact Laws protecting Drivers who run over Anti-Abortion Protesters with their cars.

parousia70 · Apr 27, 2021

These states have introduced bills to protect drivers who run over protesters - CNN

And other types of protesters of course....

But it sure seems like these conservatives didn't think this through, now that anyone in these states who runs over an anti-abortion protester blocking entrance to a clinic has what the law calls an "affirmative defense", giving them automatic and immediate immunity from prosecution.

parousia70 · Apr 27, 2021

Old Link above to Introduced bills only.... Florida however just made it legal..
Florida ‘Anti-Rioting’ Law Will Make It Much Easier to Run Over Protesters With Cars

Elliewaves · Apr 27, 2021

Nothing says "pro-life" quite so much as trying to kill someone. /s

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 27, 2021

As long as they run over more Highway protestors it seems like a good trade.

Guinan · Apr 27, 2021

The above statement seems like such an unusual thing for a Christian to say.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 27, 2021

Guinan said:
The above statement seems like such an unusual thing for a Christian to say.

Why are we required as Christians to protect people who protest on motorways? Why am I required to feel empathy for them?

Guinan · Apr 27, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Why are we required as Christians to protect people who protest on motorways? Why am I required to feel empathy for them?

If you have to ask these questions while professing the Christian faith, then something is amiss. Let me help you out here by starting with this commandment... "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'" (Matt. 22:37-39, emphasis mine). Next, there is The Golden Rule of treating other people the way you want to be treated and being merciful as God is merciful. Jesus said that His followers are the light of the world and "Let your light so shine before men that they will see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven" (Matt. 5:14-16).

The Apostle Paul's message in 1 Cor. 13, particularly vv. 1-7, is also important to mention: "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

Do not repay evil for evil. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone and do not take revenge. On the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink... Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).

And finally James 3:9-12 concerning taming our tongue and not cursing other people: "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water."

One last thought... Why did Jesus command His followers to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them (Matthew 5:43-48) and to do good to those who hate them (Luke 6:27-36)?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 27, 2021

Guinan said:
If you have to ask these questions while professing the Christian faith, then something is amiss. Let me help you out here by starting with this commandment... "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'" (Matt. 22:37-39, emphasis mine). Next, there is The Golden Rule of treating other people the way you want to be treated and being merciful as God is merciful. Jesus said that His followers are the light of the world and "Let your light so shine before men that they will see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven" (Matt. 5:14-16).

The Apostle Paul's message in 1 Cor. 13, particularly vv. 1-7, is also important to mention: "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

Do not repay evil for evil. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone and do not take revenge. On the contrary, if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink... Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).

And finally James 3:9-12 concerning taming our tongue and not cursing other people: "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water."

One last thought... Why did Jesus command His followers to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them (Matthew 5:43-48) and to do good to those who hate them (Luke 6:27-36)?

Loving your enemy is one thing. Tolerating people who protest on motorways, disturbing traffic, annoying them and putting themselves and others in harmful situations is another. As a matter of civil law, what do you want Christians to do? Make it so that anyone can march on the motorway if they have a grievance with society?

You want me to feel bad for these anarchist losers and love them and support them, but these people don't respond to Christian charity. They have a worldview radically at odds with Christian principles and i see no benefit in any Christian offering them support when they shouldn't be on the motorway.

Thus I don't feel bad whenever they get run over. Nor do I think, if they are blocking someone trying to get through and start attacking that person that they are the victim. They are idiots.

Christ's commands to love others does not mean supporting them in stupid endeavours.

parousia70 · Apr 28, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
You want me to feel bad for these anarchist losers and love them and support them, but these people don't respond to Christian charity.

The people who organize and carry out the protests that block highways and Bridges aren't Anarchists however... so your strawman doesn't hold up.

But Your sentiment and desire to inflict physical harm on peaceful Civil Rights protesters who happen to inconvenience you is a long held one here in 'Murica, that you've clearly demonstrated is alive and well in the recesses of minds like yours....and nothing good ever comes from such protests anyway, right?... These people should all have stayed home, stayed quite, known their place in society and kept to it instead of acting so uppity...Civil Rights are for Wealthy White men, amiright?

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Guinan · Apr 28, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Loving your enemy is one thing. Tolerating people who protest on motorways, disturbing traffic, annoying them and putting themselves and others in harmful situations is another. As a matter of civil law, what do you want Christians to do? Make it so that anyone can march on the motorway if they have a grievance with society?

You want me to feel bad for these anarchist losers and love them and support them, but these people don't respond to Christian charity. They have a worldview radically at odds with Christian principles and i see no benefit in any Christian offering them support when they shouldn't be on the motorway.

Thus I don't feel bad whenever they get run over. Nor do I think, if they are blocking someone trying to get through and start attacking that person that they are the victim. They are idiots.

Christ's commands to love others does not mean supporting them in stupid endeavours.

Love your enemies, pray for your enemies, and do good to your enemies. If your enemy is hungry, give them something to eat. If your enemy is thirsty, give them something to drink. If your enemy slaps you on your right cheek, turn your left cheek to them also. It's not an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. It's about being the hands and feet of Jesus, whether other people respond well to your Christian charity or not. Christians can either draw unbelievers closer to God by their compassion or they can be a stumbling block and push unbelievers away from God. FWIW, this uncharitable attitude I'm seeing in your posts reminds me of what Jesus said to the goats in His Sheep and Goats Parable.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen." 1 Jn. 4:20.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 28, 2021

parousia70 said:
The people who organize and carry out the protests that block highways and Bridges aren't Anarchists however... so your strawman doesn't hold up.

But Your sentiment and desire to inflict physical harm on peaceful Civil Rights protesters who happen to inconvenience you is a long held one here in 'Murica, that you've clearly demonstrated is alive and well in the recesses of minds like yours....and nothing good ever comes from such protests anyway, right?... These people should all have stayed home, stayed quite, known their place in society and kept to it instead of acting so uppity...Civil Rights are for Wealthy White men, amiright?

It's not that I have a desire to hurt these people but I have no desire to protect them protesting on motorways. But if you think comparing everything these losers protest for on motorways and roads is like the civil rights movement and think that's going to convince me of the justice of their cause, then I think you're making the wrong argument.

Do you believe there should be no risk for people blocking traffic?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 28, 2021

Guinan said:
Love your enemies, pray for your enemies, and do good to your enemies. If your enemy is hungry, give them something to eat. If your enemy is thirsty, give them something to drink. If your enemy slaps you on your right cheek, turn your left cheek to them also. It's not an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. It's about being the hands and feet of Jesus, whether other people respond well to your Christian charity or not. Christians can either draw unbelievers closer to God by their compassion or they can be a stumbling block and push unbelievers away from God. FWIW, this uncharitable attitude I'm seeing in your posts reminds me of what Jesus said to the goats in His Sheep and Goats Parable.

"Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen." 1 Jn. 4:20.

I call it commonsense. Don't expect anyone to protect you if you're protesting on a road at peak traffic hours. Especially when these mobs attack cars trying to get through them, which is the point of roads in the first place.

Why should we aid and abet the ideological enemies of Christendom?

parousia70 · Apr 28, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
It's not that I have a desire to hurt these people but I have no desire to protect them protesting on motorways.....Do you believe there should be no risk for people blocking traffic?

There's a difference between assuming your own risk walking in the road and purposefully making it legal to run someone over as long as three or more of them are gathered together.

The right to peaceably assemble and redress our government is enshrined in the constitution... you're welcome to attempt to amend the constitution if you think that right goes too far and should be withdrawn.

But if you think comparing everything these losers protest for on motorways and roads is like the civil rights movement and think that's going to convince me of the justice of their cause, then I think you're making the wrong argument.

Well, I'm not comparing it to the Civil Rights Movement, It is the Civil rights Movement.
And I don't particularly care if I convince you of that or not..In fact I kinda hope you're never convinced and you keep posting your objections. It provides excellent contrast which helps truth seekers here make informed decisions.

I'm confident you're actually doing the work for me...The more you post about it, the more other seekers will be convinced you're wrong and I'm right, so Keep up the good work!

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 28, 2021

parousia70 said:
There's a difference between assuming your own risk walking in the road and purposefully making it legal to run someone over as long as three or more of them are gathered together.

The right to peaceably assemble and redress our government is enshrined in the constitution... you're welcome to attempt to amend the constitution if you think that right goes too far and should be withdrawn.

Well, I'm not comparing it to the Civil Rights Movement, It is the Civil rights Movement.
And I don't particularly care if I convince you of that or not..In fact I kinda hope you're never convinced and you keep posting your objections. It provides excellent contrast which helps truth seekers here make informed decisions.

I'm confident you're actually doing the work for me...The more you post about it, the more other seekers will be convinced you're wrong and I'm right, so Keep up the good work!

No BLM and Antifa radicals are not the new civil rights. If you think that, then okay, it just means we have radically different worldviews. Your in favour of teenage black girls having knife fights. I prefer law and order. Go figure.

Yet it's not just peaceful assembly. I've seen the videos of these protestors getting run over and they usually almost always attack the cars just trying to get though. They make human walls and get mad when someone dares has the audacity to simply get to the other side and then when they attack the car are surprised when the driver speeds off.

I feel no sympathy of these protestors or their tactics. But you raised an interesting question in the OP. I believe you know that your side is more likely to be run over. I don't think pro-lifers are going to endanger themselves in a meaningful way.

parousia70 · Apr 28, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
No BLM and Antifa radicals are not the new civil rights. If you think that, then okay, it just means we have radically different worldviews. Your in favour of teenage black girls having knife fights. I prefer law and order. Go figure.

I live in Portland. I know the difference between BLM, Antifa & Anarchists.

That you conflate them from your armchair quarterback position tells me everything I need to know.

But you raised an interesting question in the OP. I believe you know that your side is more likely to be run over.

Yes, the Pro Choice crowd is far less likely to use lethal force on protesters than the pro life crowd is, oddly.

hedrick · Apr 28, 2021

This is the kind of situation where we get a federal prosecutions for violating civil rights. That used to be used in the South during the civil rights movement when states wouldn’t prosecute crimes for ideological reasons. I hate to think we’re getting back into that kind of situation.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 28, 2021

parousia70 said:
I live in Portland. I know the difference between BLM, Antifa & Anarchists.

That you conflate them from your armchair quarterback position tells me everything I need to know.

Yes, the Pro Choice crowd is far less likely to use lethal force on protesters than the pro life crowd is, oddly.

I think the pro-life crowd is far less likely to protest on motorways and deliberately block traffic and attack pedestrians when they just try to get home. It's not about politics for me, but more about a basic human decency of trying not to deliberately inconvenience others or attack them.

As for conflating the above groups you no doubt support, I recognize the difference between them. Yet they all serve the same basic goal for the left of dismantling the old elements of society. Equity instead of equality. Anarchism instead of law. That's why you tolerate them.

Fantine · Apr 28, 2021

If the act is rendered legal, then it is legal no matter who is doing the driving and who is doing the protesting. They could have been used against the insurrectionists on 1/6.

Oklahoma passed the law recently, and it was described as a law to allow people to drive into crowds (run people down) who were at BLM protests.

There is far too much violence as it is.

tz620q · Apr 29, 2021

parousia70 said:
These states have introduced bills to protect drivers who run over protesters - CNN

And other types of protesters of course....

But it sure seems like these conservatives didn't think this through, now that anyone in these states who runs over an anti-abortion protester blocking entrance to a clinic has what the law calls an "affirmative defense", giving them automatic and immediate immunity from prosecution.

This seems like an odd way for a Catholic to frame this discussion. First, Catholics would call this a pro-life protest, not an anti-abortion protest. The difference is that being pro-life is much broader and covers things like euthanasia, death penalty, and yes, intentionally running over people who are blocking traffic. So the pro-life protester would certainly not be for this law. I am pro-life but despised the Operation Rescue tactic of laying in front of cars to stop traffic for the very reasons that you seem to understand. One cannot be pro-life and yet endanger the lives needlessly of those in your group or those you are trying to persuade. But I think it doesn't take too much thought to realize that the intent of this law is quite different than defending people who plow maliciously into protesters. It appears to me that the law was to protect people who are driving and find their car surrounded by rioters. If those rioters are breaking glass, setting cars on fire, and throwing molotov cocktails into businesses, it is not an unreasonable thing to think that the motorist might be afraid for their life. So the question is whether the motorist is justified in trying to extricate their car from the riot and whether this can include hitting people blocking their egress. It is not unreasonable for "peaceful" protesters to move and let the car go on.

parousia70 · Apr 29, 2021

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
I think the pro-life crowd is far less likely to protest on motorways and deliberately block traffic and attack pedestrians when they just try to get home.

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It's not about politics for me, but more about a basic human decency of trying not to deliberately inconvenience others or attack them.

Conflation appears to be your MO...
You realize these laws make it legal TO ATTACK someone BECAUSE you FEEL inconvenienced, right?

Why would you support the use of lethal force on someone that you believe is inconveniencing you?

As for conflating the above groups you no doubt support,

Well, you're 2 for 3...

I recognize the difference between them.

Do tell...
What is the difference?

Yet they all serve the same basic goal for the left of dismantling the old elements of society.

What old elements of Society does BLM and Antifa have the goal of dismantling?
Please be specific. Provide any links you can that demonstrate they have these goals.

Equity instead of equality.

Describe the difference for us, and elaborate on why you think one is better than the other? and demonstrate how and when BLM or Antifa has stated this goal.

Anarchism instead of law.

Agree the anarchists believe this. I do not support or condone them or it.

Please demonstrate how BLM and/or Antifa want this, or recant the accusation..

6 States enact Laws protecting Drivers who run over Anti-Abortion Protesters with their cars.

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