stevevw
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Certainly western governments are going that way and many of the institutions like universities and larger corporations are as well. If you believe in social justice then yes the aim is for equal levels of men and women participation. Social justice is just another word for equity and equity (equal outcomes) is the new buzz word being pushed.But this is a strawman. Nobody is trying to create a situation where every job has equal numbers of men and women (or of any other sets of groups, either).
Take the Canadian Government for example Prime Minister Trudeau installed a 50/50% level of males and females in his cabinet not because these individuals were the best candidates but to implement equality of outcome. Then there is Biden administration. Harris has said on a number of occasions that that equality of outcome should be public policy.
Trudeau gives Canada first cabinet with equal number of men and women
Trudeau gives Canada first cabinet with equal number of men and women
Kamala Harris Says Equal Outcomes Should Be the Goal of Public Policy
Kamala Harris Says Equal Outcomes Should Be the Goal of Public Policy
Yes exactly, I agree. But it is the leftists that are complaining that women are not having equal share in industries like the STEM fields. But as I mentioned in nations like Norway that do give people the opportunity to strive for success in whatever field suits their particular gifts, passions, abilities, personality they have found that men end up in STEM fields and women end up in care fields like nursing naturally. So there for the left cannot complain about inequality for women when its not because of the patriarchy that there is not enough women in STEM.Giving people the opportunity to strive for success in whatever field suits their particular gifts, passions, abilities, personality and so on, rather than pigeonholing them by gender, doesn't mean it'll be 50/50 in every field, nor is that even important.
This can be applied to the workforce in general. In other words there are other factors that cause an unequal level of women in certain industries which then contributes to the pay gap. But the leftist groups are always making out that the only reason is the patriarchy and males are at fault for oppressing women. That is only a small part of it.
Yes I agree and we should address that. But what I keep hearing from the left and feminist is that it’s the only reason women are not equally represented in STEM and that women should have an equal representation in STEM and other fields which to me sounds a lot like a 50/50 equal share.But as for things like STEM fields, having personally faced things like science lecturers telling me that "women don't belong in science," we know that barriers other than a lack of personal interest are in play.
Equal means the same amount so when they push equity they are giving a misleading idea of what is expected. But I think for the activists this is what they are really saying. That’s OK if it ends up that there is an equal share of both genders based on the best candidates. But we cannot just make it 50/50 or whatever % of extra genders for the sake of equality.
The point is like you say it should be about the best candidates. BUt what I believe is happening is that the best candidates are often the ones that are gtting the jobs which sometimes means more men. BUt certain people still coplain that this is men oppressing women and its a patriarchy when there are other reasons. In saying this I am not denying that men dont oppress women but it can also be the other way around as well and we need to takle all this into consideration. As we are seeing in modern society that some are targeting me as being bad and the cause of all womens problems.
But once again this is not just because of a patriarchy but rather the western model of economics of capitalism and neoliberalism. This model promotes individualism, economic success where not only women and parents are denied and left behind but most minorities like the disable, uneducated and indigenous as well.In addition, the barriers to women achieving in the workplace are often more around things like lack of workplace flexibility, lack of part-time opportunities, lack of recognition that parents (not just mothers, but fathers too) need to balance their work with other responsibilities. So a two-tiered system is created; one for those who can work as if they have no other life (leaving their spouses to pick up the domestic side of things), and one for those who have to put work second to other things. And guess who always seems to end up on that second tier...?
This comes down to what priorities we make important and in a capitalist system material wealth is most important. The government neoliberal policies make private enterprise and the free market the welfare system and that means whoever can manage to overcome the setbacks of lack of work and flexibility in work will succeed. The government can only give so much for supporting families and businesses cannot be expected to accommodate all sorts of flexible hours if they are to be successful.
That is the system the west has created and what most people demand when they want careers and money. We can't have it both ways. If we want to make families and shared care the priority then we need to fundamentally change the system into a collectivist one where families are the most important and not just blame males under a patriarchy.
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