Vaccine Misinformation Strikes: Florida School will not employ vaccinated teachers or staff

whatbogsends said:

That's absurd and dangerous. While i believe there are legitimate questions about the safety of the vaccines, nothing remotely suggests they are dangerous for people other than the person taking the vaccine.

While i don't like the idea of a company or school mandating use of the vaccine, prohibiting the use of the vaccine is much worse.

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Speaking strictly for myself and no one else (and you may ridicule me as you please), I have no intention of getting this vaccine. There are several reasons why.

1. You get the vaccine, you can still catch Covid. So what's the point?

2. You get the vaccine, you can still spread Covid. So what's the point?

3. You get the vaccine, and it may kill you.

4. They have had no end of problems with the various types of vaccine produced by different manufacturers, which makes me extremely disinclined to be used as their guinea pig. And most importantly,

5. It takes at least twelve years, on average, for a vaccine to be tested enough to be declared totally safe for use in human subjects. They rolled this one out in, what, five months? Inadvertent deaths aside, they have absolutely no freakin' clue what the long-term effects of these vaccines will be, or the effect that they may have on the recipient's future offspring, for example. I'd prefer to wait a few years and see what comes of it.

I had a discussion along these lines with a relative of mine, and she said, "The idea that this vaccine will cause genetic problems in offspring is absolutely ridiculous!", and I said, "Oh, yeah? Ever hear of Thalidomide? Totally harmless, right?"

Wolseley said:

You get the vaccine, you can still catch Covid. So what's the point?

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It lowers your chance of getting Covid by about a factor of 20 (if it's one of the mRNA vaccines). It lowers your chance of dying of Covid by even more than that. That's a lot of not-dead and not-sick people.

Wolseley said:

You get the vaccine, you can still spread Covid. So what's the point?

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If you are vaccinated, you are much less likely to spread Covid, and so is everyone else. That means that if most people in your neighborhood, transmission falls and hardly anyone is exposed (like in Israel right now). That means more saved lives, particularly of those who can't be protected by the vaccine, and it means you wouldn't have to worry about point (1) anymore.

Wolseley said:

You get the vaccine, and it may kill you.

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The vaccine is very, very, very unlikely to kill you. In the US, almost certainly more people have died driving to be vaccinated than have died from being vaccinated. You are far more likely to die from the virus.

Wolseley said:

They have had no end of problems with the various types of vaccine produced by different manufacturers, which makes me extremely disinclined to be used as their guinea pig.

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All the problems I know about are rare or have been caught by regulators. What are you talking about?

Wolseley said:

It takes at least twelve years, on average, for a vaccine to be tested enough to be declared totally safe for use in human subjects. They rolled this one out in, what, five months? Inadvertent deaths aside, they have absolutely no freakin' clue what the long-term effects of these vaccines will be, or the effect that they may have on the recipient's future offspring, for example. I'd prefer to wait a few years and see what comes of it.

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What previous vaccines have had long-term effects that didn't turn up within the first year of use? What steps in the approval process were skipped for these vaccines? As for unknown effects -- what on earth makes you think that the vaccines are more likely to cause long-term effects than a virus that we know is causing long-term effects in a large fraction of those infected?

Wolseley said:

I had a discussion along these line with a relative of mine, and she said, "The idea that this vaccine will cause genetic problems in offspring is absolutely ridiculous!", and I said, "Oh, yeah? Ever hear of Thalidomide? Totally harmless, right?"

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I'm baffled by your reply. I'm well aware of thalidomide -- it's one of the reasons the FDA is so careful about approving new treatments, including these vaccines -- and I also think the idea that this vaccine will cause genetic problems in offspring to be completely baseless.

Wolseley said:

Speaking strictly for myself and no one else (and you may ridicule me as you please), I have no intention of getting this vaccine.

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By the way, I really don't want to ridicule you. I'm sure you're completely sincere and are doing your best to protect your own health. But, as someone who works in public health and infectious disease, I don find the degree of suspicion attached to the covid vaccines (and the misinformation being spread about them -- not that I saw you spreading any) dismaying.

Wolseley said:

5. It takes at least twelve years, on average, for a vaccine to be tested enough to be declared totally safe for use in human subjects. They rolled this one out in, what, five months?

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Isn't it amazing what millions of scientists and medical professionals all around the world are able to accomplish when the need arises and they freely share everything they learn.

Whole genome of novel coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, sequenced

From the article:

Thursday January 30, 2020. The Institut Pasteur obtains and shares the whole sequence of the virus

The P2M platform (see below) currently performs at an extremely high level; the average time taken to produce sequences ranges from three days (for emergencies) to a maximum of ten days. In this case, it took just three days for the whole sequence to be determined: "We performed data analysis during the night from Tuesday to Wednesday, then corroborated the results on Wednesday with counter analysis," explains Vincent Enouf. "The whole sequence was confirmed in just three days."

What can we learn from it? "The sequences were identical in all our samples. One member of the couple must have contaminated the other, as the virus is the same." The two full sequences of the virus isolated in two of the first French cases were submitted to the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID) platform, which was initially developed to share sequences and monitor the genetic evolution of influenza viruses, a process that is vital to determine the composition of the influenza vaccine. A special "coronavirus" tab has been created so that the scientific community can work together and advance at a quicker pace.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. For those of you who believe in this vaccine, blessings upon you. I myself am going to decline. I don't think I need to worry about a virus that has a better than 95% recovery rate. I still think I had it already back in November and December of 2019, and if so, then I have been exposed and survived; I'm not gonna worry about it. Your mileage may vary.

essentialsaltes said:

A private school with two campuses in Miami has warned its staff against taking vaccines that prevent COVID-19, saying it will not employ anyone who has been inoculated and spreading misinformation about the potential risks of vaccination.

The announcement, first reported by the New York Times, left some parents, teachers and medical experts aghast because it was presented as fact without citing any scientific evidence.

Leila Centner, who co-founded the school with husband David Centner, warned that vaccinated persons “may be transmitting something from their bodies” that could harm others, particularly the “reproductive systems, fertility, and normal growth and development in women and children.”

The school has a chiropractor on staff to give adjustments to students and staff and practices meditation among students with the use of crystals.

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It's a well known fact that innoculations can create mutant T-cells that can de-evolve people into, amongst other things, spiders, apes and ravenous, hungry monsters. It may also de-evolve your cat into an inguana.

God gave me an immune system.

I have faith in it.

"My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee." (Proverbs 3:1-2)

"Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee." (Psalms 91:5-7)

That Guy 11200 said:

It's a well known fact that innoculations can create mutant T-cells that can de-evolve people into, amongst other things, spiders, apes and ravenous, hungry monsters. It may also de-evolve your cat into an inguana.

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Yeah, it's all good fun until somebody loses an eye.

sfs said:

I'm baffled by your reply. I'm well aware of thalidomide -- it's one of the reasons the FDA is so careful about approving new treatments, including these vaccines -- and I also think the idea that this vaccine will cause genetic problems in offspring to be completely baseless.

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right.

Thalidomide is not a vaccine, and wasn’t approved in the US except recently for cancer.

I think post 28 is intended as a joke.

Wolseley said:

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People should only use real oil in their cars. Fully synthetic oil isn't natural, and will affect the whole structure of the car. I tried some in my BMW once, and it turned into a Lada!

Micaiah-Imla said:

God gave me an immune system.

I have faith in it.

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So if you require surgery or get an infection, you won't take any anti-biotics because "God gave you an immune system"?

seeking.IAM said:

The dumbing down of America. And yet they charge 30K/yr. for middle school tuition?

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If I was paying $30k per year to send my kid to a private school, I'd certainly expect a bit more than crystal-wonkery and a $500 website.

Here that would get me the very top schools with personal tuition, Olympic-level sporting facilities, overseas exchanges for language students, and all the other over-the-top poshness that comes with throwing a lazy 400 grand or so at your kids education over 12 years.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

People should only use real oil in their cars. Fully synthetic oil isn't natural, and will affect the whole structure of the car. I tried some in my BMW once, and it turned into a Lada!

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That's nothing. Mine grew an extra head (light)

Trogdor the Burninator said:

If I was paying $30k per year to send my kid to a private school, I'd certainly expect a bit more than crystal-wonkery and a $500 website.

Here that would get me the very top schools with personal tuition, Olympic-level sporting facilities, overseas exchanges for language students, and all the other over-the-top poshness that comes with throwing a lazy 400 grand or so at your kids education over 12 years.

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But you are forgetting the new dictionary they had specially commissioned that includes all those new PC words, and has done away with bad words, like 'gullible'.

Wolseley said:

1. You get the vaccine, you can still catch Covid. So what's the point?

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If you wear a seatbelt, you can still die in a car accident. So what's the point?

2. You get the vaccine, you can still spread Covid. So what's the point?

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If you drive the speed limit, you can still run into another car. So what's the point?

(btw: current research indicates that fully vaccinated people DON'T spread covid at least with Pfizer/Moderna).

3. You get the vaccine, and it may kill you.

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Wearing a seatbelt may result in my dying in a car accident where I would have survived had I not been wearing a seatbelt.

4. They have had no end of problems with the various types of vaccine produced by different manufacturers, which makes me extremely disinclined to be used as their guinea pig. And most importantly,

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This seatbelt manufacturer that didn't make the seatbelt in my car had issues. So why should I wear a seatbelt?

5. It takes at least twelve years, on average, for a vaccine to be tested enough to be declared totally safe for use in human subjects. They rolled this one out in, what, five months? Inadvertent deaths aside, they have absolutely no freakin' clue what the long-term effects of these vaccines will be, or the effect that they may have on the recipient's future offspring, for example. I'd prefer to wait a few years and see what comes of it.

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The reason vaccines taking so long for approval is largely because of cost. It means studies are smaller, and there's less resources focused on getting it through the testing phase.

I had a discussion along these lines with a relative of mine, and she said, "The idea that this vaccine will cause genetic problems in offspring is absolutely ridiculous!", and I said, "Oh, yeah? Ever hear of Thalidomide? Totally harmless, right?"

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Thalidomide isn't a vaccine. And the problems from thalidomide weren't genetic.

Wolseley said:

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. For those of you who believe in this vaccine, blessings upon you. I myself am going to decline. I don't think I need to worry about a virus that has a better than 95% recovery rate.

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Many like you are making their decision not to vaccinate based on misinformation. That's the sad part.

Wolseley said:

I still think I had it already back in November and December of 2019, and if so, then I have been exposed and survived; I'm not gonna worry about it. Your mileage may vary.

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If you did have it Nov/Dec 2019, you would of either had to be in China at the time, or you would be the first known case in the US by a few months. The official ground zero of the US virus was in a nursing home not far from me. Where were you between November 2019 and January 2020? The CDC and/or the WHO may want to talk to you...