Jesus “knows” those who love and obey Him

BCsenior said:

The following quote applies to some of the verses below.
(Vine doesn't make it clear to me exactly which verses.)
“… here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval
and bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ ”
(Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)

“But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.”
(1 Corinthians 8:3)

“Loving God means obeying His commandments” (1 John 5:3)

“If you love Me, obey My commandments … Those who accept
My commandments and obey them are the ones who love Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word” (John 14:15-23)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.”
(John 15:14)
Truly, does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus,
and is NOT His friend?

“… if you want to receive eternal life,
obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

“I tell you the truth, anyone who obeys My teachings
will never die!” (John 8:51)

“But now after you have known God,
or rather are known by God …” (Galatians 4:9)

“The Lord knows those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19)

“I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own." (John 10:14)

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28) What does “follow” mean except obey!

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Good Day,

Follow means what it means .... and it does not mean obey.

Thayer Definition:
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
1a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
2a) to understand
2b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know

Words have meaning and those meanings are used to convey truth, and follow does not and cannot mean obey.

In Him,

Bill

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

Follow means what it means .... and it does not mean obey.

Thayer Definition:
1) to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
1a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
2a) to understand
2b) to know
3) Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4) to become acquainted with, to know

Words have meaning and those meanings are used to convey truth, and follow does not and cannot mean obey.

In Him,

Bill

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Sure but if Jesus said, "follow me" and if you did not that would be disobeying him. So wouldnt the same be true that when he tells us "to follow" him and we do mean that we are obeying him?

Given my sheep know my voice and actually follow him (or obey him)?

2BeholdHisGlory said:

Sure but if Jesus said, "follow me" and you did not that would be disobeying him, so wouldnt the same be true that when he tells us to to follow him and we do mean we are obeying him?

Given my sheep know my voice and actually follow him (or obey him)?

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Good Day,

Sheep will always follow the voice of the Sheppard that is what sheep do they can do no other.

He is the Good Shepard he lays down his life for His sheep. He knows them he is responsible for them and they do follow Him as they are His.

DA Carson on Ps 23-
In Him,

Bill

BBAS 64 said:

Good Day,

Sheep will always follow the voice of the Sheppard that is what sheep do they can do no other.

He is the Good Shepard he lays down his life for His sheep. He knows them he is responsible for them and they do follow Him as they are His.

DA Carson on Ps 23-

In Him,

Bill

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Not all sheep are his as he said, But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

2BeholdHisGlory said:

Not all sheep are his as he said, But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

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Good Day,

Yes His sheep belive... that is what His sheep do.
Non believers are not His sheep

Sheep do "sheepish" things, and non sheep can not do "shepish" things.

If you are not one of His Sheep you do not believe, that is why they did not believe. They are Goats.... and not really sheep at all.

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

In Him,

Bill

Hammster said:

Actually, all sheep are His sheep. Those who don’t follow aren’t sheep.

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We do know there are sheep and goats, and there will be a separation between the two so technically you are correct there are also wolves in sheeps clothing (so on the other hand they might be presented as sheep) which are not his.

And also back to the original point of his sheep, these would be those who are known of him and who know his voice (as his sheep do) and follow him which is obeying him.

Yup! "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." 1 John 2:19

If the Lord knows us, and we hear His voice, we will follow Him

Building upon the rock (Christ) is the one coming to Him who is hearing Him and putting into practice his words. As he that heareth my words and doeth the same are both considered the wise and those who build their house upon rock (inclusive Me and my words) Mat 7:24

Everytime you see the double "Lord Lord" though reminds me of the doubleminded, or the foolish and the ones that are locked outside.


For example, he says,

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Just as he says here,

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

We know the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, that His goodness and longsuffering leadeth us unto it which might help explain why the following which name his name are shown

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Unto the same he will say

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Okay, so depart from me ye that work iniquity. Is this what Paul understood when he speaks of the sure foundation, those who name the name of the Lord, who he knows and what they should depart from?

2Ti 2:14 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

So in the one Christ says

"I never knew you" and depart from me ye that work iniquity

And in the other Paul tells them that the Lord knoweth them that are his and in the same breath tells them who name his name to depart from iniquity

In other words, Paul's words to depart "from working" iniquity seems contrasted against the possibility that they hear "depart from" me ye who work it, if they did not in the former words of Jesus Christ

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Speaks of adding to your faith making your calling and election sure too

2Peter 1:5-10 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity

BCsenior said:

The following quote applies to some of the verses below.
(Vine doesn't make it clear to me exactly which verses.)
“… here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval
and bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ ”
(Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)

“But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.”
(1 Corinthians 8:3)

“Loving God means obeying His commandments” (1 John 5:3)

“If you love Me, obey My commandments … Those who accept
My commandments and obey them are the ones who love Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word” (John 14:15-23)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.”
(John 15:14)
Truly, does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus,
and is NOT His friend?

“… if you want to receive eternal life,
obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

“I tell you the truth, anyone who obeys My teachings
will never die!” (John 8:51)

“But now after you have known God,
or rather are known by God …” (Galatians 4:9)

“The Lord knows those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19)

“I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own." (John 10:14)

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28) What does “follow” mean except obey!

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When we express love and other aspects of God's nature by walking in His ways through our obedience to His law, we are experiencing who He is, or in other words, we are growing in a relationship with Him by gaining experiential knowledge of Him, and of Christ, who is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3).

In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he may command his children and those of his household to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice so the Lord may bring to Abraham all that he had promised him, namely that through his offspring all of the nations of the earn would be blessed. God's laws are His instructions for how to be blessed, so they way that his offspring is a blessing to the nations is by teaching the nations to turn from their wicked ways and to walk in God's ways in obedience to what God has commanded, and Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of that promise who came to bless us by turning us from our wicked ways (Acts 3:25-26).

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by showing him His ways that he might experientially know Him, and the Israelites too. In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and he chose the way of faithfulness. There are many other verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did know God and refused to know him, because in 9:13, they had forsaken the Mosaic Law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteous in all of the earth, so delighting in expressing those and other aspects of God's nature by walking in His ways in obedience to His law is the way to grow in a relationship with God and with Jesus. In John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, and in Matthew 19:17, the way to enter into eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars and the truth is not in them, and in 1 John 3:4-6, sin is the transgression of God's law, and those who continue to practice sin have neither seen nor known him. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so again God's law is His instructions for how to know Jesus, and knowing Jesus is a requirement for salvation.

BCsenior said:

Of course, so it all comes down to WHO His sheep really are!
E.G. His sheep hear His voice, and they follow (i.e. obey) Him.

Heads Up, everyone
Get closer and closer to Jesus ... until you hear His voice.
This is the real knowing Him ... which is referenced in:
John 10:27, John 17:3, etc.

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Good Day,BC

The text tells us..

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

They believe
They hear, they are known by Him, they follow
They are given eternal life, (eternal) never perish
They can not be taken away ( he is the great Shepard he does not lose sheep)
They were given to him by His Father.
He knows he is responsible for them and His Fathers actions in the giving can never be changed.

We do not have to know... He knows and that is good enough for me.

Why is not good enough for you?

The real knowing is on Him, he knows His sheep.... he does the knowing the effort is His alone..

Consider the opposite if Jesus does not take the effort to know you what happens??

I never knew you.... what is the inescapable result?


In Him

Bill