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You guys keep repeating the same strawman arguments because you're frustrated that you can't find any clear biblical evidence for "magical immaterial spirit". As the OP already warned you, the term "spirit" originated in a homosexual pagan philosopher named Plato. He wasn't even a Christian!
You keep repeating completely unbiblical and utterly nonsensical theories and backing them up with countless logical fallacies and insults while claiming it is all indisputable... so you don't leave us with much to work with.
 
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You keep repeating completely unbiblical and utterly nonsensical theories and backing them up with countless logical fallacies and insults while claiming it is all indisputable... so you don't leave us with much to work with.
Pointing out 113 undisputed translations of ruach/pneuma as wind/breath is unbiblical?
 
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Pointing out 113 undisputed translations of ruach/pneuma as wind/breath is unbiblical?
lol, you just can't see it can you... that's ok, there's hope. And His name is Jesus. You should really just try saying or typing His name once... it could set you free.
 
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lol, you just can't see it can you... that's ok, there's hope. And His name is Jesus. You should really just try saying or typing His name once... it could set you free.
Jesus is God and He atoned for my sins. Why are you trying to set me "free" from this gospel?
 
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Other uses of the word from your own link reads,
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The spirit of the Lord is the creative power of life (Psalm 33:6 ). When it descends on the judges it activates and enables them to do great exploits (Judges 3:10; 14:6 ). By contrast, there is no spirit in idols of wood and stone. They are inert and have no power to awake and arise (Habakkuk 2:19 ).

Ruah can also refer to feelings. The queen of Sheba was left breathless when she saw the wisdom and wealth of Solomon ( 1 Kings 10:5 ). She was overcome by astonishment. Eliphaz accuses Job of venting his anger on God (Job 15:13 ). Ahab was dispirited and sullen because of Naboth's unwillingness to sell his vineyard (1 Kings 21:4 ). "Shortness" of spirit is impatience, whereas "longness" of spirit is patience (Proverbs 14:29 ). To be proud in spirit is to be arrogant (Ecclesiastes 7:8 ). The suspicious husband is said to have a (fit) spirit of jealousy (Numbers 5:14,30 ).

Ruah can also refer to the will. Those whose spirits God had stirred up went up to rebuild the temple ( Ezra 1:5 ). Caleb had a different spirit from the other spies (Numbers 14:24 ) and thus was resolute in his assessment relative to the conquest of the land. The psalmist prays for a steadfast spirit (Psalm 51:10 ).

Given the distributed uses of ruah [ רוּחַ ] (standing twice as often for the wind/power of God as it does for the breath/feelings/will of the person), mortals cannot see themselves as independent of God. The ruah [ רוּחַ ] is living not simply through a surge of vitality, but because of God's initiatives and actions. The link between the anthropological and the divine ruah [ רוּחַ ] is not always clear and well defined.

The New Testament. Pneuma [ John 3:8 ) and breath (Matthew 27:50; 2 Thessalonians 2:8 ), it is most generally translates "spirit"an incorporeal, feeling, and intelligent being.

It was Mary's spirit that rejoiced (Luke 1:47 ). Jesus "grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom" (Luke 2:40 ). He was "deeply moved in spirit" when he saw Mary weeping over the death of Lazarus (John 11:33 ). Apollos was characterized as speaking with "great fervor" (Acts 18:25 ) and Paul "had no peace of mind" when Titus did not meet him at Troas (2 Corinthians 2:13 ). Jesus pronounced a blessing on the "poor in spirit" (Matthew 5:3 ).

In the New Testament spirit is also seen as that dimension of human personality whereby relationship with God is possible (Mark 2:8; Acts 7:59; Romans 1:9; 8:16; 1 Corinthians 5:3-5 ). It is this human spiritual nature that enables continuing conversation with the divine Spirit (Romans 8:9-17 ).

Occasionally pneuma will be treated in a parallel structure with psyche [ Luke 1:46-47 ) and seem to be interchangeable. On the other hand, there are passages that distinguish between the two. Paul speaks of Adam as a "living soul" but of Christ as a "life-giving spirit." The one is oriented to human life and the other to heavenly life.

Flesh and spirit are often juxtaposed. Both can be defiled (2 Corinthians 7:1 ) and both can be holy (1 Corinthians 7:34 ). The flesh (works) and the spirit (fruit) are unalterably opposed to each other (Galatians 5:16-26 ). Spirit is also contrasted with letter. While the letter kills, the Spirit gives life (2 Corinthians 3:6 ). Spirit is also contrasted with human wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:5 ). Weakness of flesh can prove stronger than the spirit's will to pray (Mark 14:38 ).

Worship of God in the spirit is acceptable, contrasting with unacceptable worship in the flesh (Philippians 3:3 ). "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24 ).

While God's Spirit is holy, reference is made to unclean, evil, and demonic spirits that are injurious to relationships with God and other humans.

There are a few passages that see the spirit as disembodied (2 Corinthians 5:1-5; Hebrews 12:23; 1 Peter 3:19 ). Paul speaks of being absent in body, but present in spirit (Colossians 2:5 ), and James notes that the body without the spirit is dead (James 2:26 ).




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Third person of the Trinity.

Old Testament . Some have argued that Old Testament believers were saved and sanctified by the Spirit just as New Testament believers. But such teaching appears nowhere in the Old Testament. However people were made right with God, the focus of the Old Testament roles of the Spirit lies elsewhere.

In the earliest Scriptures, the Spirit does not clearly emerge as a distinct personality. The Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruah [ Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4; 34:14-15 ), a mode of his interacting with humans (Genesis 6:3 ), his agent of revelation (Genesis 41:38; Numbers 24:2 ), and a mode of empowering select leaders of God's people (Moses and the Seventy — Numbers 11:17-29; possibly Joshua Numbers 27:18; Deuteronomy 34:9 ). All of these uses recur throughout the Old Testament, but one other remains unique to these earliest daysequipping Bezalel and Oholiab with the skills of craftsmanship for constructing the tabernacle (Exodus 31:3; 35:31 ), although the provision of gifts of the Spirit in the New Testament will become a close analogue.

In the books of Judges, Samuel, and Kings, certain characteristic activities of the Spirit begin to emerge. He comes upon significant individuals, almost as an energizing power, temporarily equipping leaders for physical prowess and military victory. Four judges are so characterized (Othniel Judges 3:10; Gideon 6:34; Jephthah 11:29; Samson 14:19; cf. Amasai 1 Chronicles 12:18 ). This supernatural power combines with inspiration for verbal utterances in the earliest form of prophecy, usually assumed to have been somewhat uncontrollable or "ecstatic" (cf. Saul's "ravings" in 1 Samuel 19:20-23; 10:6,10; 11:6; for David, see 2 Samuel 23:2 ). With the advent of the monarchy, the presence of the Spirit functions as divine authentication of the legitimate king. When Saul no longer remains God's choice for the throne, the Spirit leaves him and comes upon David instead (1 Samuel 16:13-14 ). First Samuel 16:13 further suggests that David retained the Spirit as a permanent possession, apparently unlike others in the Old Testament. In 1 Chronicles 28:12 , the Spirit reveals to David the blueprint for the temple. By the time of the divided kingdom, the Spirit is beginning to inspire and empower prophets, guiding individuals to specific places where they proclaim messages of salvation or judgment from God to appointed audiences (Elijah 1 Kings 18:12; 2 Kings 2:16; Micaiah 1 Kings 22:24; Azariah 2 Chronicles 15:1; Jahaziel 2 Chronicles 20:14; Zechariah son of Jehoiada 2 Chronicles 24:20 ).

Of all the canonical Wisdom literature, the Spirit appears unambiguously only in the psalms. In addition to uses already noted, the Spirit is now for the first time called "Holy" (Psalm 51:11 ) and "good" (143:10). The first of these texts demonstrates a characteristic fear in Old Testament times; even David in his unique situation did not have the assurance of God's abiding presence that would later characterize the New Testament age. The second text reflects the development of a belief in the Spirit's role in personal and moral guidance. Psalm 139:7 ("Where can I go from your Spirit?") is embedded in a key passage on the omnipresence of God.

The writing prophets preserve many of the older insights about the Spirit but for the first time begin to disclose the coming of a new era in the Spirit's ministry. God's people can look forward to restoration from exile and to a new covenant in which the Spirit will empower all his followers in the creation of a new spiritual community.

Isaiah develops this theme in several texts. God will bring a new spirit of judgment and of fire (4:4)perhaps the inspiration for John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11 . The Spirit will rest on the messianic "branch" with wisdom, power, knowledge, and holiness (11:2; cf. 42:1,61:1, in which the Spirit similarly anoints the Suffering Servant). He will be poured out corporately on all of God's people to bring about justice, righteousness, and peace (32:15; 34:16), including their descendants forever (44:3; 59:21). Isaiah 63:10-11 contains the only other Old Testament use of "Holy Spirit, " harking back to God's guidance of Moses and the wilderness wanderers. Isaiah also recognizes the Spirit as the inspiration for his own prophecy (48:16; 59:21).
 
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For Ezekiel, the most characteristic activity of the Spirit is "lifting" him up, sometimes literally from prostration (2:2; 3:24), many times transporting him to new locations (3:12-14; 11:1; 37:1; 43:5), including those seen only in visions (8:3; 11:24). In 11:5, he is explicitly said to be the source of Ezekiel's prophecy. In 36:27, the future eschatological restoration again appears. God will give Israel a new spirit: He will put his spirit in them and move them to obey the law and receive the fulfillment of all of his promises. Again we see a corporate presence of the Spirit not previously encountered (cf. also Ezekiel 37:14; Ezekiel 39:29 ).

Perhaps the most important prophetic text on the Spirit is Joel 2:28-32 , which Peter quotes at Pentecost (Acts 2:17-21 ). Here the prophet envisages a day in which God will pour out his Spirit on individuals irrespective of gender, age, social status, or ethnicity, particularly bestowing the gift of prophecy on many of his choice. Other themes recur too. Micah 3:8 affirms the prophecy's origination in the Spirit. Haggai 2:5 and Zechariah 4:6 connect the Spirit's presence with the empowerment for rebuilding the temple. In Zechariah 6:8 the execution of God's will brings his Spirit rest.

The Old Testament thus concludes self-consciously open-ended, anticipating a new era in which the Spirit will work among a greater number of individuals and different kinds of people to create a more faithful community of men and women serving God. Apparently they will also be more mightily empowered. The fulfillment of these promises in the New Testament conforms to the prophecy of the Old Testament.

New Testament . Although relatively infrequent in his Old Testament appearances, the Spirit now emerges to dominate the theology and experience of the major New Testament witnesses. The term "Holy Spirit" (pneuma [ πνεῦμα ] hagion [ ἅγιος ]) becomes common, although the absolute use remains frequent and "Spirit of God/the Lord" and even "Spirit of Christ" appear too. A distinct personality emerges and, ultimately, explicit trinitarian teaching.

The Spirit is the agent of Mary's virginal conception of Jesus (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35 ). Christian theology has frequently perceived here God's chosen manner of enabling his Son to be fully divine as well as fully human. John the Baptist, the prophet who will herald Jesus as Messiah, "will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth" (Luke 1:15 ). This prophecy alerts his parents to his unique nature; no one in Old Testament times was filled so early. John announces Jesus as the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire (Matthew 3:11 ), purifying and judging his people, to be classically fulfilled at Pentecost and finally consummated at the final judgment. The Spirit himself descends and anoints Jesus at his baptism to prepare him for ministry. All four evangelists use simile in describing the descent like a dove (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32 ); what was literally seen remains unknown. Symbolically, the dove may represent peace, re-creation, or love. The Spirit's arrival should not be taken to imply that Jesus had no previous experience of the Spirit but, in characteristically Lucan fashion, reflects empowerment for bold proclamation of the gospel.

First, however, the Spirit must lead Jesus to the place of temptation by the devil (Luke 4:1 ). Will Christ succumb to the lure to use his power for self-aggrandizement or will he follow the road to the cross? The Spirit's role here teaches two important truths: God remains sovereign over the devil but God himself tempts no one (cf. James 1:13 ). When Jesus resists the tempter's wiles, the Spirit again empowers him for service (Luke 4:14 ), which John makes clear is a gift without its previously characteristic limits (John 3:34 ). Jesus' whole ministry is therefore Spirit-led, but particularly significant manifestations include the fulfillment of prophecy (Matthew 12:18 ,; citing Isaiah 42:1; Luke 4:18 ,; citing Isaiah 61:1 ), exorcisms (Matthew 12:28 ), and miracles more generally (Acts 10:38; Romans 15:19 ). Because Jesus' signs and wonders most directly reveal God's spirit at work, attribution of them to Satan puts one in jeopardy of committing an unforgivable sin (the "blasphemy against the Spirit" [ Matthew 12:31 ] probably equivalent to persistent and unrepentant rejection of Christ ).

Jesus agrees with the Old Testament prophets that Scripture is Spirit-inspired (Matthew 22:43 ,; citing Psalm 110:1 ). The Holy Spirit gives him joy (Luke 10:21 ). Christ gives as part of the Great Commission a trinitarian baptismal formula (Matthew 28:19 ), which even if it reflects the liturgical language of the later church (contrast Acts 2:38 ), gathers together Jesus' authentic self-understanding as uniquely one with God and the Spirit (cf. Matthew 11:26-27; 12:28-32 ).

As the Spirit has empowered Jesus, so Jesus promises that he will similarly empower the disciples. John 7:39,14:17 make plain that the full future outpouring of the Spirit is not yet present even with Jesus but awaits his glorification. Then his followers will be emboldened to testify even under hostile circumstances ( Matthew 10:19-20 ). The Spirit will be the preeminent good gift for which they can pray (Luke 11:13; cf. Matthew 7:11 ). He will make possible the new birth, over which Nicodemus so marvels (John 3:5-8 ), and will create new spiritual lives (6:63).

Jesus' most extensive and distinctive teaching about the Spirit emerges in the five "Paraclete" passages found only in John's Gospel. Parakletos [ John 14:16 ). Five distinct functions can be discerned in these passages: The Spirit will help Jesus' followers, remaining with them forever (14:15-21); he will enable them to interpret Jesus' words (14:15-17); he will testify to the world who Jesus is (15:26-16:4); he will prosecute sinners, convicting them of their offenses (16:5-11); and he will reveal further truth (16:12-15), doubtless including though not explicitly specified as the New Testament canon. A week after his resurrection, Jesus begins to fulfill these promises as he breathes the Spirit on the eleven (20:22); fuller fulfillment will come a month and a half later at Pentecost.

Luke develops several distinctive themes of the Spirit's work. Most characteristic are his references to people whom the Spirit "fills." Consistently such individuals quickly proceed to speak inspired words or otherwise boldly proclaim God's Word. With Elizabeth (Luke 1:41 ), Zechariah (1:67), and Simeon (2:25-27), the Spirit comes with temporary power as in the Old Testament. From Pentecost on, however, the Spirit becomes a permanent possession of God's people, yet believers may still be repeatedly "filled" in order to speak courageously for Christ (the 120 Acts 2:4; Peter 4:8; all Jerusalem believers 4:31; Saul 9:17; 13:9). On the other hand, Luke reserves the expression "full of the Spirit" to refer to a mature, godly character (the first "deacons" Acts 6:3,5; Barnabas 11:24).

The testimony of Acts agrees with the Gospels that the Old Testament writers were inspired by the Spirit (Acts 1:16; 4:25; 28:25 ), as was Jesus himself (1:2). The Spirit and God in certain contexts are interchangeable (5:3-4). The Spirit is clearly a person who can be resisted (7:51) and lied to (5:3). He supplies personal guidance and instruction (for obliterating social taboos 10:19; 11:12 for choosing church leaders 13:1-4; 20:28 for making difficult theological decisions 15:28 for making travel/ ministry plans 16:6-7). He inspires predictive prophecy (11:28; 21:11), even if it remains subject to potential misinterpretation by the prophets in ways not found in the Old Testament.

Three passages in Acts are particularly controversial. At Pentecost (2:1-41) the Holy Spirit "comes on" the disciples (1:8), but also fills them (2:4), leading them to speak in foreign languages that they did not previously know. But this phenomenon (vv. 5-13) was not required to facilitate communication because Peter subsequently explains what has happened in normal speech (vv. 14-36). Rather, it must be a sign to authenticate the message and ministry of the disciples. Here is the fulfillment and end of the old covenant and the beginning of the new. The Spirit who has spoken in past prophecy (2:17-18), including through Jesus (2:33), now makes himself available as a "gift" along with the forgiveness of sins to all who repent (2:38) and obey (5:32). Although baptism is closely linked as a testimony to this repentance, Peter does not likely see it as essential for reception of forgiveness or the Holy Spirit, since his next closely parallel sermon concludes only with the call for repentance (3:19). The four elements of this "Pentecostal package" (repentance, baptism, the coming of the Spirit, and forgiveness) nevertheless provide a paradigm for much subsequent New Testament theology (cf. Peter's own repeated references back to this event in passages that mention the Spirit 10:44; 11:15-16; 15:8).

In two places in Acts, however, the "package" seems to be broken up. In 19:1-7 Paul encounters in Ephesus followers of John the Baptist whom Luke calls "disciples" (v. 1). But upon subsequent conversation, he discovers they have never heard of the Holy Spirit (v. 2). This suggests that they were not Jews and that they had a very truncated understanding even of John's message. So it is inconceivable that Paul could have viewed them as truly regenerate believers in Christ. They do respond to his preaching about faith in Jesus, though, and are thereafter baptized, upon which they receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues and prophesy. The Pentecostal package, in fact, remains intact.

Acts 8:1-7 proves more complex. Samaritans "believed Philip as he preached" (v. 12a) and are baptized (v. 12b); yet they do not receive the Holy Spirit until Peter and John come from Jerusalem to see what has happened (vv. 14-17). At least three interpretations are defensible and it is impossible to choose definitively among them. First, the belief of verse 12 may have been more intellectual than volitional and hence not salvific. The baptism then, though well-intentioned, would have been premature. Second, because of the unusual hostility between Jews and Samaritans, God may have chosen to act differently on this occasion at the beginning of the church's mission outside Jewish boundaries. The Jewish apostles' arrival then enables them to confirm the salvation of the Samaritans and to begin to dissipate the previous hatred that had divided them. Third, the Spirit may not have come in a consistently predictable fashion among the first believers; he has the sovereign freedom to act however he wants ( John 3:8 )! Whichever explanation is given, however, the passage remains an anomaly, even in Acts, and therefore cannot be made paradigmatic for subsequent Christian experience.

Paul's theology of the Spirit is the richest of all of the biblical witnesses and least amenable to short summary. He echoes previous themes, seeing his own writing as Spirit-inspired (1 Corinthians 7:40 ), as with the ministry of apostles and prophets more generally (Ephesians 3:5 ). Incipient trinitarianism emerges in the benediction of 2 Corinthians 13:14 (cf. also Ephesians 2:18 ). The word of God contains dynamic, Spirit-induced power to overwhelm the forces of evil (Ephesians 6:17 ), and the Spirit may bring physical deliverance (Philippians 1:19 ).

Paul develops several relatively new themes as well. The constituting characteristic of a Christian is the presence of the Spirit (Romans 8:9 ). Paul commands all believers to be continually or repeatedly "filled" with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18 ), defined as including musical praise of God, thanksgiving, and mutual submission (vv. 19-21). The Spirit is the person who raised Jesus from the dead and exalted him to heaven, thereby vindicating his message and ministry (1 Timothy 3:16 ), and powerfully confirming his Sonship (Romans 1:4 ). Christ's resurrection guarantees that all believers will be raised by the Spirit as well (Romans 8:11 ). One of Paul's most distinctive contributions is his concept of the Spirit as "deposit" (2 Corinthians 1:22 ) and "seal" (Ephesians 1:13-14 ). The Spirit's presence in a believer's life is a promise of more to come, a partial installment of future blessings, and a divine guarantee of preservation by God.

The Spirit is God's agent for bringing people to himself and helping them to mature spiritually. Only through his power can individuals first receive God's Word as divine (1 Thessalonians 1:5-6 ). Those who convert are "saved through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5 ). The Spirit "justifies" them, acquitting them of sin (1 Corinthians 6:11 ). He then initiates the lifelong process of sanctification (Romans 15:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 ), producing attributes such as love, righteousness, peace, joy, and hope. These are well-epitomized as the "fruit of the Spirit" (Galatians 5:22-23 ).

In sharp contrast stand the works of the flesh (vv. 19-21), reflecting a characteristic Pauline opposition between a Spirit-controlled life and attempts to live under one's own power, variously attributed to the flesh, body, sin, or law (Romans 2:29; 7:6; 8:1-14; 2Col 3:1-18; Galatians 3:1-5; 5:16-26 ). In short, Paul is closing the door on a past reliance on one's own accomplishments (and, arguably, for Jews, on their national identity) which is incompatible with the new covenant and the endowment of the Spirit. But believers should want to "walk by the Spirit" (Galatians 5:25 ), in this new sphere of existence, because he alone provides true freedom, glory (2 Corinthians 3:17-18 ), and mastery over sin (Romans 6:1-14 ). The distinctive and characteristic form of ministry for each believer is then described in terms of the diverse "gifts" of the Spirit (Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12-14; Ephesians 4:7-14 ).

The Spirit also makes unique spiritual insight available to believers (1 Corinthians 2:10-16 ). In light of the consistent scriptural use, this likely involves more volition (obedience to God) than cognition (the mere ability to state truths about God accurately, which many unbelievers can in fact do!). Corporately, the Spirit indwells his church to make her holy, like the temple of old (1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19 ), and to build her up like a dwelling (Ephesians 5:23 ), creating unity and fellowship out of former enemies (Ephesians 2:18; 4:3-4; Philippians 2:1 ). Individually, he aids in believers' prayers, bringing a newfound intimacy with God (Romans 8:15-16; Galatians 4:6 ).

No other New Testament writer gives the Spirit nearly so prominent a role. He is the author of Scripture (Hebrews 3:7; 10:15 ), the one who empowers Christ (9:14) and believers (6:4), sovereignly bestows gifts (2:4), and can be insulted through apostasy (10:29). He sanctifies (1 Peter 1:2 ), inspires prophets (1 Peter 1:11-12; 2 Peter 1:21 ), vindicates Christ (1 Peter 3:18 ), and brings blessing to believers (1 Peter 4:14 ). He provides assurance of salvation (1 John 3:24; 4:13 ), testifies to who Jesus is (5:6-8), and produces orthodox Christology (4:1-3). He is the characteristic mark of Christians (Jude 19 ) who pray in him (v. 20). The Spirit creates the states in which John receives his visions (Revelation 1:10; 4:2; 17:3; 21:10 ), is the source for the messages to the seven churches (chaps. 2-3), and one of the heavenly speakers John overhears (14:13; 22:17).

A biblical theology of the Spirit is difficult to epitomize. He sovereignly Acts as he chooses! Most Christian traditions stress the data of certain portions of Scripture (most notably Acts or Paul) at the expense of others. But an essential summary ought to include at least that the Spirit is the transcendent, omnipresent spiritual and localizable presence of God's personality and power, living in and divinely empowering all of God's true people in diverse and incomplete ways that foreshadow their complete, future renewal at the end of the age.Craig L. Blomberg

See also Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit; God ; Holy Spirit, Gifts of

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You guys keep repeating the same strawman arguments because you're frustrated that you can't find any clear biblical evidence for "magical immaterial spirit". As the OP already warned you, the term "spirit" originated in a homosexual pagan philosopher named Plato. He wasn't even a Christian!

So what comes to mind. I am sure many words were created by humans of poor character. It is how it is used in the Bible that matters.

And, now you are doing another well known word study fallacy.

"Pneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath", and in a religious context for "spirit" or "soul".[1][2] It has various technical meanings for medical writers and philosophers of classical antiquity, particularly in regard to physiology, and is also used in Greek translations of ruach רוח in the Hebrew Bible, and in the Greek New Testament. In classical philosophy, it is distinguishable from psyche (ψυχή), which originally meant "breath of life", but is regularly translated as "spirit" or most often "soul".[3]

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The disciples of Hippocrates explained the maintenance of vital heat to be the function of the breath within the organism. Around 300 BC, Praxagoras discovered the distinction between the arteries and the veins, although close studies of vascular anatomy had been ongoing since at least Diogenes of Apollonia. In the corpse arteries are empty; hence, in the light of these preconceptions they were declared to be vessels for conveying pneuma to the different parts of the body. A generation afterwards, Erasistratus made this the basis of a new theory of diseases and their treatment. The pneuma, inhaled from the outside air, rushes through the arteries till it reaches the various centres, especially the brain and the heart, and there causes thought and organic movement.[7]
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See also: Spontaneous generation § Aristotle, and On Breath
The "connate pneuma" of Aristotle is the warm mobile "air" that in the sperm transmits the capacity for locomotion and certain sensations to the offspring. These movements derive from the soul of the parent and are embodied by the pneuma as a material substance in sperm.

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In Judaic and Christian usage, pneuma is a common word for "spirit" in the Septuagint and the Greek New Testament. At John 3:5, for example, pneuma is the Greek word translated into English as "spirit": "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit (pneuma), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." In some translations such as the King James version, however, pneuma is then translated as "wind" in verse eight, followed by the rendering "Spirit": "The wind (pneuma) bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit (pneuma)."

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And strong's Concordance has 377 uses of the word Ruach plus pneuma is used 385 times. Both words have multiple meanings based on context, grammar etc,
First, the TITLES of God do not change. We only need one clear passage - clear from the context - to establish the TITLE 'Holy Breath' and I have shown several on this thread.

Secondly, I personally dispute the claim that ruach is used in multiple ways. When I peruse through the examples of those scholars, it's hard to find convincing ones.

Thirdly, those scholars have no clear evidence of 'magical immaterial substance'. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Fourth, you've conveniently ignored all my proofs, for example my proofs that the human mind is material.

Fifth, I don't need any proof because matter is all we know for sure. The burden of proof falls on those who postulate fairytales about magical immaterial substance.

We're just going around in circles. You keep citing non-probative, largely irrelevant material - strawmen - while ignoring my proofs.
 
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First, the TITLES of God do not change. We only need one clear passage - clear from the context - to establish the TITLE 'Holy Breath' and I have shown several on this thread.

Secondly, I personally dispute the claim that ruach is used in multiple ways. When I peruse through the examples of those scholars, it's hard to find convincing ones.

Thirdly, those scholars have no clear evidence of 'magical immaterial substance'. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Fourth, you've conveniently ignored all my proofs, for example my proofs that the human mind is material.

Fifth, I don't need any proof because matter is all we know for sure. The burden of proof falls on those who postulate fairytales about magical immaterial substance.

We're just going around in circles. You keep citing non-probative, largely irrelevant material - strawmen - while ignoring my proofs.
What you provided was absolutely NOT by any definition of the word proof. That is not how proof works in the slightest. What you presented was opinion. Nothing more.
 
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What you provided was absolutely NOT by any definition of the word proof. That is not how proof works in the slightest. What you presented was opinion. Nothing more.
False. As I always say, no proof is 100% apodictic. I can't even prove that you exist. What I CAN do is produce a demonstration (a tentative proof) that my conclusions seem to be the only ones logically consistent and consistent with the available data. Such proofs I have provided on this thread, and they have not been rebutted.
 
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False. As I always say, no proof is 100% apodictic. I can't even prove that you exist. What I CAN do is produce a demonstration (a tentative proof) that my conclusions seem to be the only ones logically consistent and consistent with the available data. Such proofs I have provided on this thread, and they have not been rebutted.
False. Your "proofs" be them tentative or otherwise don't even follow valid arguments of logic and reasoning. If the arguments are invalid the conclusion is of little consequence.
 
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False. Your "proofs" be them tentative or otherwise don't even follow valid arguments of logic and reasoning. If the arguments are invalid the conclusion is of little consequence.
Empty rhetoric. Such needs to be demonstrated proof by proof.
 
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And let's keep some perspective here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no burden of proof on materialists because the existence of material object is not an extraordinary claim. Matter is something we see every day. Whereas immaterialism - the idea that some kind of magical, non-material substance exists - is a VERY extraordinary claim, and thus should be backed with extraordinary amounts of biblical evidence. Except - zero evidence exists!
If God created the physical world, wouldn't this then imply that He was not part of the physical world, unless He created Himself?
 
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Empty rhetoric. Such needs to be demonstrated proof by proof.

ok, let's go back to the very beginning:

And let's keep some perspective here. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no burden of proof on materialists because the existence of material object is not an extraordinary claim. Matter is something we see every day. Whereas immaterialism - the idea that some kind of magical, non-material substance exists - is a VERY extraordinary claim, and thus should be backed with extraordinary amounts of biblical evidence. Except - zero evidence exists!
This is full of logical fallacies, here are a few:
  • Burden of Proof Fallacy
  • Appeal to Nature Fallacy
  • Begging the Question Fallacy
which were reinforced in subsequent posts with the "Argument from Repetition" fallacy, the "Appeal to Ridicule" fallacy and the "Proof by Verbosity" fallacy

Let's take just one:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no burden of proof on materialists because the existence of material object is not an extraordinary claim."

This has false premises AND and is an invalid argument. The burden of proof is always on the person who makes the claim, not the person to denies or questions the claim (Burden of Proof Fallacy). Additionally, "extraordinary" is an subjective term. Who gets to define what is extraordinary and thus what requires proof and does not? As I stated in a prior post, apparently in this discussion that person is you. That is therefore NOT a logical argument, but an opinion.

All one needs to do to demonstrate an argument is invalid is to is come up with a scenario that is true and one that is false, yet you've hedged your bets with the arbitrary "extraordinary" language (another logical fallacy), but let's roll with it anyway... So, a tennis ball is material. A shoe is material. However if a tennis ball spontaneously turned into a shoe that would be pretty extraordinary, yet all of the elements involved are material. There we just demonstrated that your argument is invalid.
 
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ok, let's go back to the very beginning:


This is full of logical fallacies, here are a few:
  • Burden of Proof Fallacy
  • Appeal to Nature Fallacy
  • Begging the Question Fallacy
which were reinforced in subsequent posts with the "Argument from Repetition" fallacy, the "Appeal to Ridicule" fallacy and the "Proof by Verbosity" fallacy

Let's take just one:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no burden of proof on materialists because the existence of material object is not an extraordinary claim."

This has false premises AND and is an invalid argument. The burden of proof is always on the person who makes the claim, not the person to denies or questions the claim (Burden of Proof Fallacy). Additionally, "extraordinary" is an subjective term. Who gets to define what is extraordinary and thus what requires proof and does not? As I stated in a prior post, apparently in this discussion that person is you. That is therefore NOT a logical argument, but an opinion.

All one needs to do to demonstrate an argument is invalid is to is come up with a scenario that is true and one that is false, yet you've hedged your bets with the arbitrary "extraordinary" language (another logical fallacy), but let's roll with it anyway... So, a tennis ball is material. A shoe is material. However if a tennis ball spontaneously turned into a shoe that would be pretty extraordinary, yet all of the elements involved are material. There we just demonstrated that your argument is invalid.
Um...uh...er.....eh....None of the statements you cited count as one of my proofs. 500 posts deep, still waiting for someone to address my proofs.

Who gets to define what is extraordinary and thus what requires proof and does not?
"Use the force Luke!" Statements of that kind - statements about magical immaterial forces - clearly count as extraordinary. "Spirit" falls into that category. Whereas my only belief is in matter!


I'm sorry you can't understand the difference between an ordinary claim and an extraordinary one.
 
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If God created the physical world, wouldn't this then imply that He was not part of the physical world, unless He created Himself?
Creation ex nihilo is a magical, extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary corroborative evidence. Creation ex nihilo also seems to conflict with the law of identity, and it leaves unsolved the Problem of Evil.

Historically theologians posited God as a supernatural being. This leads to insoluble contradictions such as the claim that an immutable God mutated Himself into a man. If you want to consider a different view of God you can, for example, read my posts on a thread like this one:
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Um...uh...er.....eh....None of the statements you cited count as one of my proofs. 500 posts deep, still waiting for someone to address my proofs.

"Use the force Luke!" Statements of that kind - statements about magical immaterial forces - clearly count as extraordinary. "Spirit" falls into that category. Whereas my only belief is in matter!


I'm sorry you can't understand the difference between an ordinary claim and an extraordinary one.
This is just deflection and another logical fallacy too (red herring). The statement I quoted (which you have repeated it over and over and over and over) has been the foundation for much of what follows and it is complete, utter garbage. You "proofs"... er opinions... are irrelevant if the arguments they are built upon are completely invalid.

Sorry you don't understand the difference between logic and opinion, premise and argument, valid and true.
 
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