Is it time to stop policing the black community?

RocksInMyHead said:

Why do they adopt that culture and where does it originate from?

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They adopt the culture because they like it. It originates from the streets of the inner city

Oneiric1975 said:

Why wouldn't it be?

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It can be....Draconian justice can be considered equitable.

I know there's some places in history all theives have a hand cut off. All adulterers are stoned to death. All murderers are hanged....etc.

Is that something you'd really want? A one size fits all approach?

Oneiric1975 said:

I forget, some folks have less education.

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There's the personal attacks I'm used to lol.

Thanks for being purposely obtuse.

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Your idea of benefits makes no sense.

I thought we were having an adult conversation complete with full adult experiences to compare.

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You listed things that are basically bad things that didn't happen to you...or good things that did.

That's everyone's life.

Everyone's life is full of these benefits.

For example, here's a list of rare diseases and disorders I don't have....

List of Rare Disease Information - NORD (National Organization for Rare Disorders)

Are those all benefits in your mind? They kind of make your "I've never been called a racial slur" benefit seem trivial.

OldWiseGuy said:

I didn't say they were lazy, but depression often leads to lack of motivation. Many don't see a bright future for themselves (some young men don't believe they'll live to see 20) and thus don't see the need to put in the effort needed to succeed in the conventional manner. Teachers also are often guilty of low expectations for minority students and thus don't spend the time needed to help them raise their grades.

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Depression is rampant among the poor and poor people are more likely to avoid treatment for mental health in my personal experience. Most are still supportive but some frown on telling outsiders their personal business, especially if they have children.

I worked in the public school system and teachers really don't have time for much one on one attention especially with class sizes of 25-30 children all working at different levels. It is really up to a parent to push their child, monitor their schoolwork and/or find out about special or gifted programming that may be available. But you don't know what you don't know no matter what your race.

The other soapbox is all of these statistics that point toward underachievement and on the other side, single parenthood has been on the rise since mid 20th century. The family decay just gets worse as fathers and mothers can't put their personal issues aside and work together for the benefit of the child. More fathers= less crime, more money, more time, more support.

All this is to say if we work on ourselves and help our family, the need for police would drastically drop. Why are these things disproportionate in black communities? Families are stuck with bad cycles for generations. topic would be it's own thread.

OldWiseGuy said:

I didn't say that. Reread and follow the thought.

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Maybe perhaps you should re-read your own posts.

OldWiseGuy said:

The point is to end police violence against black people. Many blacks don't accept black cops as 'brother's'.

Equality is a different subject.

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OldWiseGuy said:

That's sort of what I'm suggesting as well, that black cops basically ignore law breaking by other blacks.

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So once again, WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE that black cops don't enforce the law against other black citizens?

Are you going to keep trying to talk around the question or actually answer it this time?

Ana the Ist said:

It can be....Draconian justice can be considered equitable.

I know there's some places in history all theives have a hand cut off. All adulterers are stoned to death. All murderers are hanged....etc.

Is that something you'd really want? A one size fits all approach?

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That is not an example of more money = better justice. Those are examples of harsh sentences.

Not even CLOSE to what I was talking about.

Ana the Ist said:

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Your idea of benefits makes no sense.

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Really? Wow. Then I guess we have nothing else to cover!

Ana the Ist said:

There's the personal attacks I'm used to lol.

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Sorry 'bout that. I just get tired of people playing purposely coy about a topic in order to make some "point". I have little patience for that kind of approach. It's a tactic.

OldWiseGuy said:

For the sake of racial justice perhaps we need different sets of laws for each ethnic group. Law enforcement in the black community has been troubling for both sides. Maybe they should be authorized to police their own communities. Thoughts?

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Maybe you should just listen a little more attentively when activists talk about systemic injustice and the necessary changes. You struggle to recognize any of the problems we’ve been talking about, so instead of tossing out bad-faith solution proposals, you should dedicate your energy to truly understanding the concept of systemic racism.

Ana the Ist said:

Your idea of benefits makes no sense.

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If one race are statistically far more likely to enjoy those things, and another isn't, then the knock on effect on education, employment, wealth creation, personal safety, crime etc etc are obvious to anyone.

Kentonio said:

If one race are statistically far more likely to enjoy those things, and another isn't, then the knock on effect on education, employment, wealth creation, personal safety, crime etc etc are obvious to anyone.

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This is true, EXCEPT categorizing it based on attributes (ie: immutable characteristics) that do not affect those outcomes is disingenious and fails to address the root causes or both success (of some) and failure (of others).

98cwitr said:

This is true, EXCEPT categorizing it based on attributes (ie: immutable characteristics) that do not affect those outcomes is disingenious and fails to address the root causes or both success (of some) and failure (of others).

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Which of those do you think are not effected by race in any way?

98cwitr said:

This is true, EXCEPT categorizing it based on attributes (ie: immutable characteristics) that do not affect those outcomes is disingenious and fails to address the root causes or both success (of some) and failure (of others).

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Root cause is the racism that still exists in the police department. We have police officers with white supremacy on display. The less blatant racism is also a problem too. US policing has an issue of racism, reforms are needed to remove the racists and their effect on the system.

Kentonio said:

If one race are statistically far more likely to enjoy those things, and another isn't, then the knock on effect on education, employment, wealth creation, personal safety, crime etc etc are obvious to anyone.

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The same could be said of a million other things.

We could just as easily say...

Whenever a person has more good things happen to them than bad things.....their life is generally better.

That's true for anyone of any race.

Oneiric1975 said:

Sorry 'bout that. I just get tired of people playing purposely coy about a topic in order to make some "point". I have little patience for that kind of approach. It's a tactic.

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It's not playing coy.

You make it seem like not having bad things happen to you is a "benefit".

Is that what you mean?

Kentonio said:

Which of those do you think are not effected by race in any way?

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None of them.

None of those attributes are limited by race in any way. The theory of race was completely disproved in the 90s.

Perhaps you should look it up.

Ana the Ist said:

It's not playing coy.

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You should probably stick with "playing coy" because the alternative in my imagination isn't as complimentary.

You make it seem like not having bad things happen to you is a "benefit".

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See, this is the obtuseness you seem to be affecting. I actually listed a bunch of things that weren't simply the "lack of bad things" and most of those things arise from being born white (and male) in the US during the 1960's.

But it isn't an exhaustive list. I KNOW what you think we are talking about here is "someone gave me a job and they said to me that it was because I was white"....but that's simply STUPID. NO ONE has that experience (or almost no one). The advantages of being born white in the mid-20th century in the US are manifest and should be obvious, even when some play coy and overtly obtuse.

Indeed the reality is that I have NEVER had half the obstacles thrown in my way that most black people in the US have had. Or most women for that matter.

I doubt you want a serious conversation.

Oneiric1975 said:

See, this is the obtuseness you seem to be affecting. I actually listed a bunch of things that weren't simply the "lack of bad things" and most of those things arise from being born white (and male) in the US during the 1960's.

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That is a very racist belief...

You think that having a 2 parent family is because you are white?

Ana the Ist said:

That is a very racist belief...

You think that having a 2 parent family is because you are white?

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-sigh-

Do people actually engage in serious conversation with you after the 3rd post? Yawn.

Sorry. Gotta go.

Oneiric1975 said:

That is not an example of more money = better justice. Those are examples of harsh sentences.

Not even CLOSE to what I was talking about.

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More money doesn't equal "better justice"...it just means you get a better lawyer lol.

A better lawyer might be able to find a way to argue for you better than a worse lawyer....

But there's no conceivable system where every lawyer is just as good as every other lawyer. Even if we pay them the same....some will still be better than others.

Does that make sense or do you need a longer explanation?