The Two Times when Jesus was confronted with "honor Mary Mother of Jesus" statements

Landon Caeli · Apr 26, 2021

thecolorsblend said:
I typically delete everything I post after a few days.

I can think of 3 reasons why someone would do that...

Landon Caeli · Apr 26, 2021

Jipsah said:
Who's hindering...

2BeholdHisGlory said:
So basically...

You guys are killing my buzz, man...

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
I do not know one who admits to Mary worship

Could be because almost no one worships Mary.

although it can very much come across as that (as you are already aware). It certainly far exceeds what the woman who stood corrected by Jesus did.

Which is the standard Protestant "Mary wasn't all that" position. As if being greeted by archangels, carrying God Himself within her body, giving birth to the most important being in the history of the universe, being the Godbearer, and yes, like it or not, the Mother of God, was on a par with being made chairman of the church membership drive. Simply put, she was, apart from our Lord Himself, the most important person (not woman, person), in history.

I do not know what you would call it if she stood corrected before Jesus.

It would be like standing corrected before God, that's what.

since no one ever admits its worship (although it very much perceived as so)

I never "admit" to being a handsome young man, either, probably because I'm not. It's possible that someone might perceive me to be one, but they'd be wrong.

Let's bottom line it with my syllogism again. Jesus Christ is God. Mary was Jesus' mother. Ergo. Mary is the Mother of God. That is a fact. You may find that fact annoying, but facts are often like that.

I learned something on this thread though ( I think) another poster (forgive me I miss their name, I need to go back and look) but they said something like the term mother of God was taken up because of some sort of heretic thing, is that correct?

The heresy is not believing that Jesus is God Himself.

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
And I asked Jipsah this according to his own post

Sorry, mate, but if there's a question in there I failed to detect it. Could you simply ask it?

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
Why you keep posting to me to conversations related outside of your initial post to me, why not just tend to your own stuff?

Join in a public discussion and the public is very likely to join in as well.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

Jipsah said:
Sorry, mate, but if there's a question in there I failed to detect it. Could you simply ask it?

I would just refer folks back to the initail post he is trying to bury which shows his contradictions

Im done with ya, its been a few years since I was here last I just wanted to tap and see if anything is changed, and it hasnt.

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

GDL said:
??? Not sure what you mean.

It means there's always a Good Reason to ignore any Scripture than one finds inconvenient.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
You guys are killing my buzz, man...

I'm done, sorry bout that, made me laugh though

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
I can think of 3 reasons why someone would do that...

Its far better to do that then to run around trying to clean up after yourself by endless diversions

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

GDL said:
Syllogism aside, there is not one verse of Scripture that calls Mary, "Mother of God."

It's in the same chapter that refers to the Trinity.

Once more, with feeling: Jesus is God. Mary is Jesus' mother. Ergo Mary is the Mother of God. You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to follow that logic.

Since God has no mother

See above.

Asking for Scripture that specifically substantiates such a phrase hardly denotes a denial of the God-Man

If you believe Jesus is God, then Mary is necessarily the Mother of God.

any more than the supported use of the phrase automatically denies the fact that God is eternal and has no father or mother (unless this is denied when one says "Mother of God").

IS JESUS GOD? If your answer is yes, then Mary is the Mother of God. If not, then you deny the Incarnation
and we have nothing further to discuss.[/quote]

prodromos · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
Im done with ya, its been a few years since I was here last I just wanted to tap and see if anything is changed, and it hasnt.

Yourself included.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

prodromos said:
Yourself included.

I will never change in defending the Lords words in respects to the whole paps and womb stuff.

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
when I highlight your own contradictions

Such as?

and ask about them its my fault for not saying more then the scripture so you can actually get me for heresy?

I don't knw if you're a heretic or not, since you never say what you believe. As I sais, "International Man of Mystery".

Whose children do that?

Yours?

All4Christ · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
I agree

Sure maybe they express such disaproval at ever doing that, I do not know one who admits to Mary worship, although it can very much come across as that (as you are already aware). It certainly far exceeds what the woman who stood corrected by Jesus did. When she was simply blessing the same things which pertained to Mary's motherhood (as they specifically related to himself). I do not know what you would call it if she stood corrected before Jesus. Was it somethin other then worship? That he stepped in and said something? I dont think she understood what it was, was it flattery? And this might be the wrong word to use here since no one ever admits its worship (although it very much perceived as so). But I dont want to use the word honour (in the good sense) because we are to honour our parents (And I do not believe Jesus dishonoured her). I believe he sought the honour of His father who is above all, the honour of his mother was not his objective (among men). So I dont know what to call it since (as I have confessed before) I am not good at always finding the right words. You cannot prove a negative it does not say the woman worshipped Mary (or flattered her) it shows where she was off and in what things (and Jesus' correction). Saying all that to say this, that it just appeared as if she felt her virtuous flattery of his mother (as it related to the one bore him and nursed him) would be seen as something positive to him. Even if it was just trying to honour her as his mother (over His Father even) as most blessed in respects to those things only. There is just nothing in the letters by the apostles that treat Mary as central in anything in them or even name her first in a gathering, or by name as made of a woman made under the law, nothing then ressembles what is often seen today.

I do not know all the things they do, I have seen prayers and songs and quite a few things I never saw expressed in the letters by the apostles.

I hope I put that correctly, and I will not argue with you but if a topic comes up (like this one) I try to point these things out using only the scripture I used (as I did earlier on the first few pages) and side with Jesus on them.

I learned something on this thread though ( I think) another poster (forgive me I miss their name, I need to go back and look) but they said something like the term mother of God was taken up because of some sort of heretic thing, is that correct?

That was me

and yes, it was due to a heresy.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

Jipsah said:
Such as?

In Post 72 did you not bring up the Nicene creed telling me that I am basically wrong according to it while I highlighted what you point out as contrary which is in the post you posted, I made it easy to see by highlighting what you posted and I posted scripture showing it contrary.

Jipsah said:
I don't knw if you're a heretic or not, since you never say what you believe. As I sais, "International Man of Mystery".

Thats right, I have posted here for well over a decade on a christian forum and I must have somehow missed discussing what I believe. If the scriptures are not good enough here, and they must never come into the equation because of some sort of past heretics which haunt you, dont know what to tell you, thats quite a problem for heretic hunters. You might manage though, they were beating their chest crying blaspheme at Jesus and I am certainly not as well versed as He was, but the same tactics are still used, thats fine, its expected.

edited it for typo

thecolorsblend · Apr 26, 2021

GDL · Apr 26, 2021

Jipsah said:
IS JESUS GOD? If your answer is yes, then Mary is the Mother of God. If not, then you deny the Incarnation
and we have nothing further to discuss.

Simple, human logic like this does not always apply to things pertaining to God.

If I were to say, only for an example of course, that Jipsah is a simpleton, the simple logic would indeed lead to: Ergo, Jipsah's mother is the mother of a simpleton. We deal with no hypostatic union, fathered by God, virgin birth, etc.

Although your example may well have been the original intent and use of the phrase in combatting a heresy about the divinity of Jesus, outside of this original purpose the phrase is not found in Scripture, nor does God have a mother. Also, the original intent of the man-made phrase has fallen into extensive abuse and I would venture to say that few know and understand its origin and reason it was made up. In addition, plenty do in fact believe in the divinity of the God-Man, and see the phrase Mother of God to be only what it is - a made-up phrase used in a debate, but now misused extensively, even by some to tell Christians they do not believe Jesus is God. Jipsah logic is therefore meaningless and alleges in error.

As many have pointed out FROM Scripture, Mary is called the mother of my Lord by Elizabeth. Mary was addressed by the angel as a "blessed/favored [lady] and not "full of grace." She herself said she would be called "blessed" by all generations, and I and most Protestants I know or read would agree that she is indeed blessed to have been chosen by God for such a task and to have believed and obeyed Him in that task. Good enough. From there, it's Jipsah logic, or more Biblical exegesis apart from arguments of silence. The choice is simple.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 26, 2021

GDL, you are much better at articulating yourself, I could definately learn a few things from you in that department, good post.

GDL · Apr 26, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
GDL, you are much better at articulating yourself, I could definately learn a few things from you in that department, good post.

Thank you for your comment. We're all a work in progress and I've enjoyed watching you work.

Jipsah · Apr 26, 2021

GDL said:
Simple, human logic like this does not always apply to things pertaining to God.

Come, let's not reason together, right?

the phrase is not found in Scripture, nor does God have a mother.

Neither is "Trinity", and yes, God does have a mother! That is the point! Mary is Jesus' mother, and Jesus is God! Wholly God, wholly man, right? Not kinda sorta part God and part man. There's no theologizing your way out of that.

Also, the original intent of the man-made phrase has fallen into extensive abuse

I.E., it offends uber-prots who still aren't at all sure about the Incarnation thing.

and I would venture to say that few know and understand its origin and reason it was made up.

Oh, I'll bet some of our more erudite brethren can tell you precisely when and why, I'll leave that for them.

In addition, plenty do in fact believe in the divinity of the God-Man, and see the phrase Mother of God to be only what it is - a made-up phrase used in a debate, but now misused extensively, even by some to tell Christians they do not believe Jesus is God. Jipsah logic is therefore meaningless and alleges in error.

Nice little ad hominem there, but you gotta go with what you got, right? But Jipsah logic seems to work just fine for most of Christendom who don't share the visceral aversion so many people have to simple truths.

So who or what was Mary the mother of in your economy? Part of Jesus but not all? Some of Him sometimes and other parts at other times? Was she not His mother at all, since that would be theologically offensive? Was Jesus God sometimes and simply human at others? Is Jesus actually Mary's son, since you apparently don't allow Him a mother? I think you must have an interesting Christology, care to share it?

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