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LoveGodsWord wrote: Your making claims here your not able to prove. To claim that Acts 15 is talking about Gods' 10 commandments not being a requirement for Christian gentile believers is not biblical as the context shows that the subject matter is over the question "Is circumcision a requirement for salvation" in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 and that this was the question Paul and Barnabas when to Jerusalem to discuss *Acts of the Apostles 15:6. It was not over the question is God's 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living. That interpretation has Paul contradicting himself when he says some time latter to the Corinthian believers in 1 Corinthian 7:19 CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Your seriously not arguing now that Gentiles are now free to lie, steal, murder, covet, use God's name in vain, and worship other God's now are you? What your proposing is not biblical and is in conflict with pretty much all God's Word. Your interpretation here of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul contradicting himself.
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He is not arguing any such thing. All the above is covered by the commands to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself.
If your trying to argue that God's 10 commandments are not a requirement for Christian living and gentile believers of course that is what your arguing. God's law is not separate from love according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10 and James in James 2:8-12. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law in those who have been born again *1 John 3:6-9 not breaking them *1 John 2:3-4.
 
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No. The question was never over the question are gentile believers required to obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the "shadow laws" of Moses, in this case CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation.

Actually the letter just said "the law".


My claim was that the letter was written and the decision made based on the understanding that God's Word would be taught every Sabbath and that the question being answered here was not are God's 10 commandments are requirement for Christian living but is "CIRCUMCISION" a requirement for salvation. The answer was no circumcision is not a requirement for salvation.

Folks can read. There were two issues, One was the law.

It does not state in the scriptures that the v21 was not included in the letter. Even if it was not the reason for the decision was that God's Word would be taught every Sabbath.

It says in God's word what was in the letter, and that was not in it.

Nor does James' statement say that they would keep the Sabbath. Moses was read in the synagogue, which is why they continued to go whenever they could to hear the reading of the law.

All of God's 10 commandments are moral laws and our duty of love to God and our fellow man and how we love God and our fellow man so are all moral laws or right behavior towards God and man.

There are moral laws inside the ten, and moral laws outside the ten. A sign with Israel, an appointed time, is not an inherently moral law.

And Colossians 2 makes clear the appointed times were shadows. And I already posted from Ezekiel a similar short listing of all the appointed times so named, which included the Sabbath.

God's 4th commandment is not a ceremonial law it is a law of rest to remember that God created all things and a day of rest on the seventh day of the week where we are to celebrate God as the creator of Heaven and Earth.

It is a sign with Israel per Exodus 31, and it commemorates coming out of Egypt per Deuteronomy 5. And it is one of the appointed times.

We have had this discussion already in regards to who God's ISRAEL is in the new covenant.

Gentiles are included in the covenant promises, agreed. But the council made it plain they don't have to keep the law.

So your argument they must become Jews doesn't work. If they did they would be keeping all the appointed times with the Jewish believers, because they were said to be everlasting statutes as well.
 
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Actually the letter just said "the law".

This has already been addressed already in detail in post # 249 linked. Circumcision and are Mosiac laws such as all the Mosiac laws for remission of sins are all shadows of things to come.

If your interpretation is that ACTS 15 is teaching that Gods' 10 commandments are no longer a requirement for Christian living then you have yourself in a spot of bother as even Paul disagrees with that interpretation.

1 Corinthian 7:19 CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
 
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The believer has a sabbath rest--that is not the weekly sabbath.

The discussion where we find the Sabbath text in Hebrews 4 begins back in chapter 3. He is explaining the superiority of Christ, and indicates that He is superior to Moses.

3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Jesus is over the whole household and built the house. He created all and He rules all. Moses is a servant in the house who was faithful. Christ is the Son over the household. And if we Hold on to Him we are a part of God's household.

He then makes an extended appeal to respond to Christ and hold fast to Him. He quotes from Psalm 95, which he is going to use to build his appeal. So we can take a look at what the psalm says.

Psa 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Psa 95:2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.
Psa 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psa 95:4 In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
Psa 95:5 The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
Psa 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.


The first part of the Psalm acknowledges God as ruler, Creator, and the Shepherd who cares for His sheep. Then in the middle of verse 7 it makes an appeal to not harden your heart, which is a message the his listeners needed to hear.

Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. Today if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.


He recalls the experience in the wilderness when the Children of Israel were freed from slavery in Egypt. God brought them through the wilderness to the land prepared for them. However, they frequently doubted, grumbled, turned away from Him, turned to idolatry, etc. They did not hold fast.

The people "err in their heart".

The Psalmist is saying "Today", don't be like those who rebelled back then. Rarther respond with sincere hearts, in faith.

He swore they would not enter His rest. In the book of Numbers we read that God told Moses to send spies into the land that He promised to give them, to see what the land was like. Then they gave a report:

Num 13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.

Num 13:25 And they returned from searching of the land after forty days.
Num 13:26 And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land.
Num 13:27 And they told him, and said, We came unto the land whither thou sentest us, and surely it floweth with milk and honey; and this is the fruit of it.
Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.
Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
Num 13:30 And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
Num 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.


They reported the land was a good land. But the people were strong. The people doubted, even though they had seen God deliver them miraculously from the Egyptians. But Caleb, one of the spies, called them to be faithful, and trust the Lord. The people refused.

Num 14:1 And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.
Num 14:2 And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would God that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would God we had died in this wilderness!
Num 14:3 And wherefore hath the LORD brought us unto this land, to fall by the sword, that our wives and our children should be a prey? were it not better for us to return into Egypt?
Num 14:4 And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.
Num 14:5 Then Moses and Aaron fell on their faces before all the assembly of the congregation of the children of Israel.
Num 14:6 And Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, which were of them that searched the land, rent their clothes:
Num 14:7 And they spake unto all the company of the children of Israel, saying, The land, which we passed through to search it, is an exceeding good land.
Num 14:8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.
Num 14:9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they are bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD is with us: fear them not.
Num 14:10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. And the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of the congregation before all the children of Israel.


Joshua and Caleb tried to appeal to them to not rebel, that the Lord was able to do all He promised. But they would not listen.

After their repeated rebellion God declared judgment upon that generation.

Num 14:21 But truly, as I live, and as all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD,
Num 14:22 none of the men who have seen my glory and my signs that I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and yet have put me to the test these ten times and have not obeyed my voice,
Num 14:23 shall see the land that I swore to give to their fathers. And none of those who despised me shall see it.
Num 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he has a different spirit and has followed me fully, I will bring into the land into which he went, and his descendants shall possess it.
Num 14:25 Now, since the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwell in the valleys, turn tomorrow and set out for the wilderness by the way to the Red Sea.”
Num 14:26 And the LORD spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying,
Num 14:27 “How long shall this wicked congregation grumble against me? I have heard the grumblings of the people of Israel, which they grumble against me.
Num 14:28 Say to them, ‘As I live, declares the LORD, what you have said in my hearing I will do to you:
Num 14:29 your dead bodies shall fall in this wilderness, and of all your number, listed in the census from twenty years old and upward, who have grumbled against me,
Num 14:30 not one shall come into the land where I swore that I would make you dwell, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun.
Num 14:31 But your little ones, who you said would become a prey, I will bring in, and they shall know the land that you have rejected.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your dead bodies shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:33 And your children shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years and shall suffer for your faithlessness, until the last of your dead bodies lies in the wilderness.
Num 14:34 According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, a year for each day, you shall bear your iniquity forty years, and you shall know my displeasure.’
Num 14:35 I, the LORD, have spoken. Surely this will I do to all this wicked congregation who are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall come to a full end, and there they shall die.”


The entire generation, 20 years or older, who came out of Egypt, and saw the wonders there, who continually rebelled, died in the wilderness over the 40 year span. Only Joshua and Caleb went in to see the land. They did not enter the rest of the promised land, because of doubt and unbelief.

It is with this background in mind that in Hebrews 3:7 the author begins an appeal to those Christians who are in danger of doubting and losing heart:

Hebrews 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you will hear His voice, 8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, 9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years. 10 Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.’ 11 So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ” 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.

He is saying that God has a rest for them, if they are faithful and do not turn away. We are to exhort, encourage, each other daily, while it is called "today" so that we do not harden our heart as they did in the wilderness, and fail to receive the rest God has for us. We have become partakers of Christ if we hold the same confidence to the end.

15 while it is said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” 16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Here he summarizes the history of how all those 20 and older who went out, started the journey, but failed to finish, because of rebellion. And the cause of their rebellion was unbelief. They did not hold fast their confidence they started with.

Chapter four continues the argument:

4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.

Here he takes the wording of Psalm 95, "today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" to indicate there is an ongoing rest that we can enter. "Today" God is still calling us to enter His rest, to not harden our hearts through doubt.

2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”

They had an opportunity to trust God. He says the gospel was preached to them, because they had an opportunity to rest totally in Him for salvation, not just physical rest, but ultimate rest.

Even though that generation failed, there is still that rest in the time of Psalm 95. And there is still that rest in the time of the the author of Hebrews.

He says we who have believed DO enter that rest. The rest is in trusting God. They failed due to lack of faith. But we believe and enter in.

Then in the middle of that verse 3 He begins referring to Genesis 2.

Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

The author points out that God ceased His creative work on the seventh day. God is resting from His creative work, and invites us to that rest. But the context already made it plain what that is, and continues to. It is not the weekly Sabbath.

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

He is still referring to those who did not enter in back in the wilderness. They did not enter in because of disobedience.

But the possibility of entering the rest still remained in the time of David.

Joshua did not give them rest. Now he did lead them into the promised land, but something more is involved that goes beyond the physical promised land. There is still the spiritual rest of trusting in God and not depending on your own power. Under Joshua they went into the promised land, but then when Joshua died they again doubted and never totally removed the inhabitants they were supposed to.

The "Today" rest continues on, even though the generation with Joshua was now in the past.

God speaks of another day after Joshua. It is the "Today" already mentioned throughout, that was stated in the time of the Psalmist. Today, when you hear His voice, do not harden your heart.

9 There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

The whole context leading up to this makes clear what this rest is. We enter into the "today" rest with God through faith. We do not harden our hearts through lack of faith like those in the wilderness. We start the journey with God, and trust Him to the end. We enter into His rest.

Now it says there "remains" a sabbath rest for the people of God. In a book about fulfillments of the Old Testament types the author explains a Sabbath rest that remains.

The context makes plain this is not the observance of the Sabbath day. Because even the people in the wilderness started doing that after a few false starts. But they did not enter the rest spoken of. Rather, verse 10 tells us the rest:

Heb 4:10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Heb 4:11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

We rest in faith. We don't worry about the giants in the promised land, and fall back. We continue the journey. We rest from our works, as God rested from His.

The purpose of the Sabbath was a sign with Israel. It recalled their Creator, as the command states. It recalled their redemption from Egypt as Deuteronomy 5 states. And it was a sign that God is the one who sanctifies them, per Exodus 31.

But in Hebrews there is a sabbath rest that remains to enter, TODAY, that you not harden your heart, and that you continue to hold on to faith. That you not turn away as those in the wilderness did, but rest from your own works to trust in the One who started you on the journey.
 
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This has already been addressed already in detail in post # 249 linked
Circumcision and are Mosiac laws such as all the Mosiac laws for remission of sins are all shadows of things to come.

If your interpretation is that ACTS 15 is teaching that Gods' 10 commandments are no longer a requirement for Christian living then you have yourself in a spot of bother as even Paul disagrees with that interpretation.

1 Corinthian 7:19 CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

You don't know what the law means? It doesn't mean just the ten, it means the whole thing.

But they are still under moral requirements. And the law still has a purpose if used "lawfully" to point out moral requirements.

5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.


 
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WHAT IS GOD’S REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 AND THE TWO RESTS OF HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES OF HEBREWS 4:1-5 (exegesis)

NOTE: Context in Hebrews 4:1-5 is God's Rest from the seventh day Sabbath from the foundation of the world (v4-5) and those who enter Gods rest by and believing and following Gods Word [the gospel] who enter into God's Sabbath rest as God did on the seventh day of the week. The context here defining God’s rest/My rest/His rest is to God’s seventh day Sabbath rest created at the foundation of the world that those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do or do not enter into. The new testament writer of Hebrews is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. There are two rests here. One is to the rest we enter into by believing and following Gods Word which is our rest and the rest we enter into by believing and following God’s Word to God’s rest which is the seventh day Sabbath. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day").

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9 (exegesis)

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

According to the Greek and scripture contexts of Hebrews 3:7-19 and Hebrews 4:1-9, Hebrews 4:9 is in regards to God’s seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment which in the context of Hebrews 4:1-5 which defines God’s rest/My rest/His rest (Hebrews 3:11; 18-19; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5; 10) as the “seventh day” from the foundation of the world *Hebrews 4:3-4.

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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Hebrews 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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For your interest, the Greek word used here for Sabbath is Sabbatismos and means a Sabbath keeping or keeping of the Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept by resting.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.” or in other translations "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God". In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
*† σαββατισμός, - οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exod 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
σαββατισμός
Σαββᾰτ-ισμός, ὁ, a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Heb 4:9, cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

STRONGS LEXICON
So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.
there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people.
of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAYER - G4520
G4520 — σαββατισμός
σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. (Note the rest of Vines comments is not the Greek it is his opinion)

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-11 is warning us that if we do not believe and follow God's Word (the gospel) and we continue in sin and unbelief (Hebrews 3:10-13; 18-19) we will never enter into God's rest (His Rest/My Rest) which is defined as the "seventh day" Sabbath rest in Hebrews 4:1-5. Hebrews 4:3-5 defines God's rest by saying [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest (our rest from or the gospel rest of believing and following God's Word), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (God's rest): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4], For he spoke in a certain place of the "seventh day" on this wise, And God did rest the "seventh day" from all his works. [5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest ("seventh day"). There are two rests being described. One is our rest we receive through believing and following God's Word (the gospel) *Matthew 11:28-30; Hebrews 4:2-3 and God's rest *Hebrews 3:11; 18; Hebrews 4:1; 3; 5-6; 8-9; 10-11. Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Why? Because the true seventh day Sabbath rest is a sign of God's true people who God sanctifies to keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word *Exodus 31:13; Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:12; Ezekiel 20:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14.

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SUMMARY: God's rest is the "seventh day Sabbath" of creation. Our rest is that of believing and following Gods' Word. No one enters into God's rest (defined in Hebrews as the "seventh day Sabbath") unless they believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest). Of course God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) are a part of God's Word (the gospel) that God's people who enter into Gods rest believe and follow in Gods' Word just like Jesus did and the Apostles and prophets in Gods' Word.

Everything provided here are not my words but have been taken directly from the scriptures which are God's Words not mine (exegesis). The warnings here are very clear. Those who do not believe and follow God's Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's commandments - James 2:10-11) just like those in the wilderness do not enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath) and will be in danger of the judgement to come (Hebrews 10:26-31)

There is nothing in Hebrews 3:7-19 to Hebrews 4:1-13 that says anywhere that supports a claims that these scriptures teach that Jesus is a Sabbath, the Sabbath is a full time rest, or that Hebrews 4:1-13 reveals the New Covenant spiritual reality of the physical rest of the Old Covenant Sabbath day for the people of God, which emphasis was on rest. Of course it is true however that no one enters into God's seventh day Sabbath rest if they do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the gospel rest) and continues in unbelief and sin, not believing and following God's Word. This is what the warnings are about as shown in Hebrews 3:12-13; 14; 17-19; Hebrew 4:1-2;6; 11.

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You don't know what the law means? It doesn't mean just the ten, it means the whole thing.

But they are still under moral requirements. And the law still has a purpose if used "lawfully" to point out moral requirements.

5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Sure I do. Do you know what context is? Paul is not teaching anywhere in Acts of the Apostles 15 that Gods' 10 commandments are no longer a requirement for Christian living (see 1 Corinthians 7:19). He is talking about circumcision being a requirement for salvation. The Mosaic shadow laws are now fulfilled in the body of Christ. Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant continue to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-12. This of course includes God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.
 
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Sure I do. Do you know what context is?

Yes. The context was the council deciding whether the gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the law. And they said we didn't send those people who told you to do so.
 
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This is why the SDA position on the Sabbath continues to be a minority position.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


Colossians is a listing of the appointed times, and they are called shadows. The weekly Sabbath is among those appointed times:

Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.

The summary statement is spelled out and includes the weekly Sabbath:

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:5 And the grain offering with the ram shall be an ephah, and the grain offering with the lambs shall be as much as he is able, together with a hin of oil to each ephah.
Eze 46:6 On the day of the new moon he shall offer a bull from the herd without blemish, and six lambs and a ram, which shall be without blemish.
 
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Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.”

It says there remains a sabbath rest, which the context spells out.

There were of course sabbatical years, solemn festivals that were sabbaths, the weekly sabbath, all of which involved rest.

But the context makes plain this is the "today" rest of trusting in the Lord rather than your own works.
 
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This is why the SDA position on the Sabbath continues to be a minority position.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


Colossians is a listing of the appointed times, and they are called shadows. The weekly Sabbath is among those appointed times:

Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.

The summary statement is spelled out and includes the weekly Sabbath:

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:5 And the grain offering with the ram shall be an ephah, and the grain offering with the lambs shall be as much as he is able, together with a hin of oil to each ephah.
Eze 46:6 On the day of the new moon he shall offer a bull from the herd without blemish, and six lambs and a ram, which shall be without blemish.

There is nothing in these statement anywhere about the weekly Sabbath being abolished. The context is to the sabbaths in the Feast days not Gods' 10 commandments. Is it a bad thing that God's people are a minority or is it a sign that many will be called but only the few will be chosen *Matthew 22:14?
Who is the devil at war with the majority or the minority?

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Guess God's people are a remnant the keep God's commandments.
 
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It says there remains a sabbath rest, which the context spells out.

There were of course sabbatical years, solemn festivals that were sabbaths, the weekly sabbath, all of which involved rest.

But the context makes plain this is the "today" rest of trusting in the Lord rather than your own works.

No it doesn't

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Is the literal meaning of Sabbatismos detailed response showing why in post # 267 linked already.
 
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There is nothing in these statement anywhere about the weekly Sabbath being abolished. The context is to the sabbaths in the Feast days not Gods' 10 commandments.

The context is a listing of the appointed times, and reference to food and drink offerings, which were associated with them. And we know from Ezekiel and from Numbers 28 that the weekly Sabbath was included, not just the yearly.

Guess God's people are a remnant the keep God's commandments.

Indeed they are. And God's people do keep His commandments. But the appointed times are not required for gentiles.
 
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The context is a listing of the appointed times, and reference to food and drink offerings, which were associated with them. And we know from Ezekiel and from Numbers 28 that the weekly Sabbath was included, not just the yearly.

Indeed they are. And God's people do keep His commandments. But the appointed times are not required for gentiles.

Yes in regards to the annual Feast days not God' 4th commandment. Your not considering that God's seventh day Sabbath is also outside of the annual Feast days and every seventh day of the week.
 
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Indeed they are. And God's people do keep His commandments. But the appointed times are not required for gentiles.

Gods' 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 according to Paul who also say faith does not abolish God's law it establishes God's law in Romans 3:31 in the lives of those who believe and follow Gods' Word which is repeated in Romans 8:4 and Romans 13:8-10. So to say that the interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 is that God's 10 commandments are no longer a requirement of Christian living is unbiblical and has Paul in contradiction with himself in 1 Corinthians 7:19.
 
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For your interest, the Greek word used here for Sabbath is Sabbatismos and means a Sabbath keeping or keeping of the Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept by resting.

It means a Sabbath rest.


"There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God".

GREEK INTERLINEAR
(a Sabbath keeping)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
a sabbath rest

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
a keeping of days of rest

STRONGS LEXICON
a Sabbath rest

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
a sabbath rest


W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

literally means a keeping of a sabbath




The reason they translate it there remains a sabbath rest is because it is a noun. It is describing a sabbath rest that remains. And that rest is the "today" one he has been talking about for a chapter and a half.

If it was the weekly sabbath even the ones in the wilderness kept that after EX. 16. But they didn't enter this rest.
 
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Yes in regards to the annual Feast days not God' 4th commandment. Your not considering that God's seventh day Sabbath is also outside of the annual Feast days and every seventh day of the week.

You are not considering that it is listed as an appointed time, and the same listing of appointed times is used in Ezekiel.

And the longer version is spelled out in Numbers 28. You can say it is not included. But those texts make plain it is. So whatever you do with the yearly, you have to do with the weekly.

Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.

This listing of "all the appointed times of the house of Israel" is spelled out, and includes the weekly sabbath.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:5 And the grain offering with the ram shall be an ephah, and the grain offering with the lambs shall be as much as he is able, together with a hin of oil to each ephah.


 
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It means a Sabbath rest.


"There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God".

GREEK INTERLINEAR
(a Sabbath keeping)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
a sabbath rest

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
a keeping of days of rest

STRONGS LEXICON
a Sabbath rest

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
a sabbath rest


W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

literally means a keeping of a sabbath




The reason they translate it there remains a sabbath rest is because it is a noun. It is describing a sabbath rest that remains. And that rest is the "today" one he has been talking about for a chapter and a half.

If it was the weekly sabbath even the ones in the wilderness kept that after EX. 16. But they didn't enter this rest.

Well your telling half the story but not all of it. Hebrews 4:9 is talking that the rest we receive through keeping the Sabbath. This has already been shown in the Greek if you read my posts.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Hebrews 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Lamsa Bible
Hebrews 4:9 It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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For your interest, the Greek word used here for Sabbath is Sabbatismos and means a Sabbath keeping or keeping of the Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept by resting.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.” or in other translations "There remains therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God". In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

GREEK INTERLINEAR
HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath keeping) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

GREEK LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, Abbott-Smith - G4520
*† σαββατισμός, - οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exod 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

LIDDEL/SCOTT/JONES GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON - G4520
σαββατισμός
Σαββᾰτ-ισμός, ὁ, a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Heb 4:9, cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

STRONGS LEXICON
So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive.
there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ () Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people.
of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAYER - G4520
G4520 — σαββατισμός
σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);

W. E. VINE, GREEK DICTIONARY

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. (Note the rest of Vines comments is not the Greek it is his opinion)

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Context of course is to the two rests of Hebrews 4:1-5

1, Our rest through believing and following God's Word (Hebrews 4:1-3)
2, God's rest (MY REST/HIS REST) finished from the foundation of the World the seventh day Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-5).

We therefore that believe enter into Gods' rest (seventh day Sabbath rest).
 
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You are not considering that it is listed as an appointed time, and the same listing of appointed times is used in Ezekiel.

And the longer version is spelled out in Numbers 28. You can say it is not included. But those texts make plain it is. So whatever you do with the yearly, you have to do with the weekly.

Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.

This listing of "all the appointed times of the house of Israel" is spelled out, and includes the weekly sabbath.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:5 And the grain offering with the ram shall be an ephah, and the grain offering with the lambs shall be as much as he is able, together with a hin of oil to each ephah.

Yes I have considered them. None of them are talking about God's 4th commandment. They are in reference to the ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual Feast days which is the scripture contexts and subject matter being discussed. The new moons of course determining the times and the seasons and the starting of these Feasts (Genesis 1).
 
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Yes I have considered them. None of them are talking about God's 4th commandment. They are in reference to the ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual Feast days which is the scripture contexts and subject matter being discussed. The new moons of course determining the times and the seasons and the starting of these Feasts (Genesis 1).

No, it is quite clearly spelled out as six working days, then the weekly Sabbath. It is one of the appointed times.

Eze 46:1 “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Eze 46:2 The prince shall enter by the vestibule of the gate from outside, and shall take his stand by the post of the gate. The priests shall offer his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate. Then he shall go out, but the gate shall not be shut until evening.
Eze 46:3 The people of the land shall bow down at the entrance of that gate before the LORD on the Sabbaths and on the new moons.
Eze 46:4 The burnt offering that the prince offers to the LORD on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish.



 
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