20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

keras said:

I find it hard to think that people actually believe there will be no Millennium with Jesus as King, on earth. It is what the Bible says.

There are many ways the AMill theory falls down.
Jesus is not reigning on earth now. Earth is Satans dominion.
The sheer foolishness of calling Revelation 20; a highly spiritualized chapter and a 'frayed thread', etc.

At His Return; Jesus does NOT destroy the world by fire, He does NOT Judge individuals, He does NOT resurrect anyone other that the Trib martyrs.
The Millennium is His reward, as He says in Luke 13:32 and life will be very good in it. Only at the end, will sin again be allowed and those who fall for Satans wiles, will all be annihilated, along with Satan.

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Everything you say 'doesn't happen' here is what the Bible clearly and repeatedly says does happen. You are definitely in conflict with the Word. Fight away. You will never win that battle. You or no Premil has been able to answer one of my 20 main points above. That is telling. You just keep ducking around the issues with personal opinion. There is nothing to rebut in your posts.

keras said:

I said: At the Return of Jesus, He doesn't destroy the world by fire.
Neither Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Revelation 19:11-21 say Jesus will use fire at His Return.
It will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, that He comes, better stated: sends, His fiery wrath. As Amos 1 and Psalms 11:4-6 make clear.

Luke 17:29-30 On the day that Sodom was destroyed, fire and Sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that again when the Son of Man is revealed. Amos 4:11-12
Matthew 24:37-42 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of Man comes. In the days before the flood, they ate, drank and married until the day that Noah entered the ark, they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be again when the Son of Man comes. In His vengeance and wrath, not in His glory.
Genesis 9:11-14 My covenant to never again destroy all living creatures by a flood is confirmed by the sign of the rainbow.
Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 I have sealed in My storehouse, ready for the Day of punishment and vengeance, a fire that will be set ablaze by My anger. It will envelope the world in flames, burning to the depths of the earth. Jeremiah 50:25
Psalm 110:1-6....I shall make Your enemies Your footstool....In glorious majesty, You judge the nations, shattering the wicked throughout the world.

Isaiah 24:18-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish in heaven the host of heaven and on earth the leaders of the nations are caught and punished. The sun and moon will be darkened, for the glory of the Lord will be in Jerusalem and is revealed to the elders of His people.
2 Peter 3:5-7 & 10....the world before Noah was destroyed by a great flood. Now, by God’s Word the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept for the Day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed. That Day will come unexpectedly, the sky will dissipate with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames. All its inhabitants will be tested.
Isaiah 66:1-6 My people are oppressed and afflicted and evil people displease Me, they say: Let the Lord come, we do not believe in Him. Therefore, the noise you can hear is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27
Matthew 24:40-44 There will be two men in a field, one will be taken the other left, two women at the mill, one will be taken, the other left. Keep awake, therefore for the Lord will come unexpectedly.
Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the godless nations, in His power and majesty, He tramples them in His fury, their blood spills out and splashes His garments.

At the Return He comes in blood splashed garments.
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10...the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire….He will reveal His glory among all believers. Revelation 14:1
What we can understand from the above Bible passages, is that the Day of the Lord, when the Son of Man takes action, is not Jesus’ Return as the Word of God, for the Millennium reign. At the Return: ‘all will see Him’, not as in this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, where He is not seen: Psalms 18:11, Luke 3:17, but ‘His glory will be revealed to all believers’. 2 Thessalonians 1:10
God promised to ‘never again flood the earth’, but He has ‘stored up a fire that will envelope the earth in flames’, a worldwide judgement/punishment, vividly described by all the prophets.
This terrible fire and devastation will come upon the world unexpectedly, ‘While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, then destruction is upon them’. 1 Thess. 5:3 Huge numbers will be killed by the fire, earthquakes and the resulting famines afterward. Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 34:1-8, Ezekiel 30:2-5
The Lord is not seen on that Day, but His people are saved and protected, [not raptured] Isaiah 30:26b, Isaiah 43:2, Zechariah 9:5-16
Then, as in Ezekiel 20:33-38...by My outpoured wrath, [The Day of wrath] I shall bring you out of the nations and gather you back to Israel. The Lord is: ‘Waiting to show you His favour’, and to bless His true believing people as they fulfill the promises to the Patriarchs and their destiny: ‘to be a light to the nations’. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:4-16

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I honestly do not know what you are trying to say. For the record: the sixth seal is the climactic return of Christ. It is the end!

keras said:

It cannot be that the Lords Day of fiery wrath is the same day as His Return. They simply do not match.

Your failure to understand Prophetic truths, is quite usual. Isaiah 8:16, Isaiah 29:9-12
Only by clearing the mind of all theories and doctrines and by asking the Holy Spirit for help, can just a few understand God's Plans. Daniel 12:9-10

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I am waiting for your to support your claims here.

keras said:

The prophesies about the Return; Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 19:11, simply do not match with prophesies like Amos 5:18-20, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7 and over 100 other scriptures that graphically describe His terrible Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal event, years before He Returns.

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Yes, these show a totally climatic day that ends this corrupt evil age. They clearly show the introduction of the glorified state for God's elect.

keras said:

I believe what the Bible actually says, not anyone's 'interpretation'.

The Return of Jesus is 1000 years before the final Judgment of God, as described in 1 Cor 15:50-56
The AMill theory that we are in the Millennium now is false and unsupportable.

But scriptures like Psalms 2 and Zechariah 14:16-21, +, make it clear He WILL reign on earth. An earth just as it is now.

Yes; Jesus does sit at the right Hand of God and has proved His worth to be King, but He does not yet exercise His power.

What really is foolish, is to say Revelation is 'highly spiritualized' and not to be taken literally. Most of those prophesies are quite possible to be fulfilled as Written, or by using common sense, we can discern how they can be applied in our modern world. The 'mark of the beast', is an example.

Peter is prophesying about the Lord's Day of fiery wrath the forthcoming world changer.
THEN 2 Peter 3:13 says: Nevertheless, or; in expectation of His Promise, we look forward to the NH, NE, in which righteousness and justice will be established.
So you are wrong in thinking the NH, NE happens at the Return.

Jesus Judges the nations, not individuals at His Return.
Revelation 20:11-15 says that God will Judge all the people, when the 1000 years have ended. The 1000 years start when Jesus Returns.

Why can't you read what Revelation 20:7-10 actually says?
Jesus will be the Winner in the final test. To Him be the glory and honor!

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If you could simply see that what you attribute to Rev 20 is wrong and where you locate it is wrong you would see that the second coming is the end! Your fight here is not with Amils but Scripture. Revelation is indeed highly figurative book. It is written in apocalyptic language:

· Creatures full of eyes with 6 wings (4:6)
· A 7-eyed lamb (5:6)
· People talking to mountains (6:16)
· People being washed clean by blood (7:14)
· Locusts with human faces (9:7)
· Lion-headed horse (9:17)
· An angel with the sun as his face, a rainbow upon his head, wearing a cloud around him and his feet were pillars of fire (Revelation 10:1).
· Fire-breathing prophets (11:5)
· A woman clothed with the sun while standing on the moon (12:1)
· 7-headed dragon that pulls stars down from heaven (12:3-4)
· Serpent vomiting out a river (12:15)
· 7-headed beast with 10 horns (13:1)
· Frogs coming out of the mouth of a dragon (16:13)
· A blood-drinking harlot (17:6)
· A woman sitting on seven mountains at the one time (Rev 17:9).

Revelation 1:1 begins with: “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [Gr. semaino] it by his angel unto his servant John.”

The order here is: God – Christ – Angel – (signified or symbolized) John. This Greek word semaino is found seven times in the New Testament and is interpreted as follows in the King James Version:

· Signs (John 4:48)
· Signify (Acts 25:27)
· Signifying (John 12:33, 18:32, 21:19)
· Signified (Acts 11:28; Revelation 1:1)

Revelation is a unique book. It is wrapped in an apocalyptic genre. Understanding it is a mixture of deciphering coded language and putting a jigsaw puzzle together. You need to collate all the relevant information and descriptions, compare them and then establish what belongs to what.

In Bible times, they were very familiar with this type of communication in Bible times, but this is not the way we communicate today. Revelation presents a lot of symbolism. But the symbolism is not irrelevant; it is not meaningless, it describes spiritual realities.

Christian authority on Judeo/Christian Customs and historic developments and current lecturer at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Dr. James Fleming explains, “The western mind will have a tendency to focus too much on the details of visual images in the Apocalypse rather than what the images stand for.” He then advises, “One cannot interpret Revelation using a Western structure and form of perspective. The functions of the things described in Revelation have to be understood in order to know what they mean.”

The symbolic nature and style in which the apocalypse was written was largely familiar to 1st and 2nd century readers, the design, imagery, narrative, and symbols being commonly used in Judaic religious manuscripts of John's day. Notwithstanding, it is fair to say that this unique apocalyptic style creates many undoubted difficulties for the modern mind, as this genre is just not used today.

keras said:

I have done that. I have written over 800 articles about the Prophetic Word, using ALL the Bible prophesies.
To me it all makes a coherent and logical picture. I feel sorry for you if it all looks like a plate of spaghetti!

This is nonsense.
What the Prophets, esp Jesus in Revelation say, is understandable to us; the allegories and metaphors are explained by the Bible itself or by common sense.
Modern sci-fi is worse with its weird and wonderful scenarios.

Matthew 25:31-45 describes the scene after Jesus Returns and during the Millennium, as Zechariah 14:16-21 describes.

Matthew 25:46 describes the scene at the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium. Rev 20:15, as you say.

Remember that Bible prophecy is a little here, a little there, and needs to be discerned as to what belongs where.

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That means nothing. The cults do that all the time. You make multiple references but the texts often don't support your theories. It is time to quote the actual sacred text so that we can all see what you claim and what the text really says are poles apart.

keras said:

I have quoted plenty of scripture, very few of my posts have no Bible quotes.
The problem with you and all those with fixed beliefs of what you want God to do for you, is the texts don't support your theories!

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The problem with your theology is the lack of corroboration for your opinions. You impose your private interpretation upon Revelation 20 and have no other biblical support for the all the core tenets of your beliefs. You make the sweeping claims so let us put them to the test.

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?
3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?

keras said:

There is no problem with the theology I adhere to.
It is simply believing the Words as Written. Revelation 20:4-5 is a plain statement: Only the Trib martyrs will be resurrected at the Return. ALL the rest of the dead must wait until the 1000 years is over.

There is corroboration for this in other scriptures. Job says he will be vindicated at the end of time, Paul says it will be at the Last Trump, when the resurrection of all the dead happens and the Judgment takes place.

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Not surprisingly you avoid all my questions.

The end is Christ's return in majesty and glory to glorify His elect and glorify creation. There will be no future millennium full of sin and sinners, dying and crying, Satan and his demons. That is an error you promote

keras said:

I, and the Bible answered you loaded and biased questions.
There will be a future Millennium, it is in God's Promise to Jesus. Psalms 2:7-8, Psalms 110:1-7, Luke 13:32...Jesus will work for two days, [2000 years] then on the 3rd day; attain His reward. [the 1000 year reign as King Jesus.

It is your ridiculous fantasy that has the Millennium as a time of sin.
Revelation 20:1-3 could not be clearer; Satan won't be able to deceive people during the Millennium. Only at the end, will he have a short season and the result of that is his destruction.

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Men sin without Satan's help. Billions of wicked on the future earth being themselves will only result in one think - rebellion. That is what Revelation 20 shows.