Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

mkgal1 said:

I have close friends that are Jewish and Muslim.....and we discuss faith and Jesus quite a bit. Ironically.....you would find yourself agreeing with them far more than you agree with me, if all of us were in the same conversation.

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The Jews (Judaism) agree more with you than me because they view the 70 weeks as complete.

The Jews (Judaism) see the 70 weeks (the 490 years) as having been a testing period - which they said they failed and ended up going back into exile - because of unwarranted hatred Jew against Jew. *

At the MessiahTruth.com discussion forum - the Jews (Judaism) who's site it is - are exprerts in Jewish (Judaism) belief. And that * is what they say.

Oseas said:

What year did the 69th week end ?

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I've already told you... it hasn't ended yet.

The prince of this world is the prince that is coming... up from the pit called Tartarus... the beast from "the fruitless deep with his raging swell, Pontus".

John.12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.KJV

Dan.9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations. 27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX

Rev.11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Douggg said:

I suggest you go to a site like MessiahTruth.com and ask them about the Jewish interpretation of Daniel 9.

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I'm not going to waste my time doing that, Douggg. Daniel has been fulfilled by Jesus. So has Jeremiah.....Ezekiel.....and all the prophecies. They were all about Jesus the Messiah....the suffering servant of Isaiah......Son of David.....the mediator of a better covenant.....an everlasting covenant of peace.

70 weeks was over at stoning of Stephen.

Gundy22 said:

70 weeks was over at stoning of Stephen.

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This is a well known view and close to my own. I don't like to sound finicky, especially with my friends, but we need to tighten our book of Acts chronology. The 70 weeks was over at the Gentile outpouring of the Spirit which happened somewhat after Stephen's death.

When this refinement is made, we find a clear connection of the 'weeks' to how the covenant would be fulfilled in blessing to the Gentiles as originally promised to Abraham.

Here's the timeline:

Gal 1:17

Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.


Gal 1:18

Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


Pretty good chart, Christian Gedge - but you have 14 years of Paul in Tarsus? Some of that he was in Arabia, back to Damascus, then to Jerusalem...

How long he was in Arabia I have no clue

We need to count back from AD 49 because the date of the first council in Jerusalem is a known anchor date.

St. Paul conversion on the Damascus road is calculated from his account to the Galatians and by cross-referencing it to the record in Acts. Paul relates:


Thus early AD 33 pins Paul’s conversion. The Stoning of Stephen was before that (AD 32) and the completion of the weeks came after. (Nisan AD 34) The Gentile Pentecost at Cornelius’ house cannot be dated with absolute precision but it would be fair to say about the same time as the weeks finished.

Gundy22 said:

How long he was in Arabia I have no clue

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Damascus was the capital of the Nabatean kingdom, the southern end of which extended into what was then called 'Arabia.' So Paul's stay in Arabia/Damascus was 3 years.

Spiritual Jew said:

You're not making any sense. The first 69 weeks had to lead up to the appearing of Messiah the Prince, who obviously was Jesus, but you have it leading up to 55 BC instead. Therefore, using 538 BC as the starting point can't possibly be correct.

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It is not incorrect.

Notice that there were only two people and way past the time of their prime waiting for the Messiah. Simeon and Anna. They had been waiting for 70+ years for the Messiah. They knew that Daniel's prophecy had been fulfilled from at least 60 to 50 years ago.

Sounds like today. Many have given up on 1948, and will soon give up on 1967. Saying around 55BC is not wrong. Trying to get it "to fit" is wrong. No man can just get the timing right, and no one even agrees to the point 100%. If the 483 years had ended in 55AD, there would be issues, no? Messiah still came and was cut off after 55BC, and nothing in Scripture was violated.

Demanding specifics violates private interpretation and opinions! Specifics are just private interpretations and opinions. You all did not even live back then. These Scriptures effect you in no way whatsoever. Only your private opinions and armchair interpretations. Yes some eschatology is just based on trying to figure out history that happened 1991 years ago. No one's opinions are going to change God's mind. What the church does today will either send billions to sheol, or send billions to Paradise. That involves God changing His mind on what is important, not historical speculation, which is not that important.

jgr said:

I'm glad to see that you will not invent a lie name.

I didn't have to invent a name. It's there in history for all to see.

Understanding that name, and other prophetic descriptions in Daniel 7, was fundamental to the success of the Protestant Reformation centuries later.

You and I and this forum and the Protestant Christian Church would not exist if not for the Reformation.

Do you understand?

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Did your person get one third of the angels to follow him?

"And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."

"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:"

Timtofly said:

Did your person get one third of the angels to follow him?

"And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."

"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:"

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No.

Does your person have a name?

What is it?

Spiritual Jew said:

There was also an order given around 458 BC (recorded in Ezra 7) and that date makes way more sense to fit the context of the prophecy.

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It only makes sense because there was a gap between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. They were forced to stop building by some people who did not want them to build Jerusalem and the Temple. All that happened in 458, was that Artexerxis looked back at the original decree, and declared the original decree was still in force and could not be changed. Daniel even prophecied there would be a stop and a gap. The first 7 weeks, 49 years were over in 458. So from 458 minus 434, the 62 weeks, is still some 20 years before the birth of Christ. The point being made is not that we need to know.

The point is were there any in the first century BC still concerned about Daniel's prophecy, or had all given up? Daniel's point to them is not the same point people 2000 years later are even trying to conclude. Daniel never defined a 70th set of 7. He defined a set of 7 sevens. He defined a set of 62 sevens. Then all Daniel claimed is Messiah would be cut off. He did not even say it was in the 70th set of seven. He said it was after the first 69 sets of sevens. Daniel was not supposed to define the last set to specifics. Faith in God and listening to God at the birth of the Messiah would be a blessing to some, and a curse to others, who rejected God's Word.

Private interpretation and opinion only, is what demands specifics.

jgr said:

No.

Does your person have a name?

What is it?

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No, what? If your person did not fulfill the Word of God, how can it be God's person?

The one who drew one third of the stars from heaven has many names.

Timtofly said:

No, what? If your person did not fulfill the Word of God, how can it be God's person?

The one who drew one third of the stars from heaven has many names.

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You asked a question, I answered "no".

That's what.

My turn.

What is your person's name?

Christian Gedge said:

The Gentile Pentecost at Cornelius’ house cannot be dated with absolute precision but it would be fair to say about the same time as the weeks finished.

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And probably the Samaritan's conversions as well.....right?

Timtofly said:

It only makes sense because there was a gap between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks

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A distinction in time periods isn't a "gap" in time.

If I said something occurred in the US presidential era of Truman as opposed to it happening in the Eisenhower era....does that mean (to you) that time somehow goes unaccounted for somewhere in 1953? Do you think there's a "gap" there as well?

Timtofly said:

Then all Daniel claimed is Messiah would be cut off. He did not even say it was in the 70th set of seven. He said it was after the first 69 sets of sevens.

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I believe the saying goes, "for those who have eyes to see.....ears to hear...".

jgr said:

What is your person's name?

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mkgal1 said:

I believe the saying goes, "for those who have eyes to see.....ears to hear...".

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To the arithmetically and Scripturally challenged, "in the 70th" is not the same as "after the 69th".

However, they are unable to tell us how they are different.

gap gap gap

"the prophetic clock stopped" (how ridiculous)

dispensationalistic hooey