Black Owned Business Suffer in Floyd Square

rjs330 · Apr 24, 2021

Black owned businesses are suffering greatly in the autonomous zone known as George Floyd Square in Minneapolis. Crime is going up and people are suffering. All these attacks on police are starting to have consequences on the general public. And black people in general. There has been no common sense or no realism in this conversation about what happens when you blame and attack police in the way it has been done. Crime goes up, citizens suffer and people have no one to help them. In fact police departments across the country have lost officers and are having problems replacing them. Shortages grow as fewer good people apply to the openings due to the current anti-police sentiment and propeganda.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/black-owned-businesses-george-floyd-square

https://www.theblaze.com/news/police-shortage-retirement-recruiting-philadelphia

If we don't get a handle on this, sooner or later the people that apply won't be ones doing it because of the nobility of the profession. Citizens will start demanding something be done about the crime and those enforcers will not be the same good people we have now.

SummerMadness · Apr 24, 2021

Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 24, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

It's the black community that has the lowest support level for police. White people's approval is quite high. That said trust is a different issue. I support the police but I don't trust them. Too many bad experiences.

Ana the Ist · Apr 24, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

The segments of the public that don't trust them don't seem to care much about improvement or reform.

In fact, they like to compare the police today to those who caught slaves a couple of centuries ago.

Are they completely unaware that they are critical of the best police we've arguably ever had?

Perhaps the police should charge by the call.

Then we can see who really wants to defund the police.

disciple Clint · Apr 25, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

And more likely not. Because there is nothing that needs to be reformed. There are a few bad officers that need to be replaced but there is no evidence that policing needs to be reformed. Several times I have asked you for evidence of systemic racism, I have not seen anything yet, other than unsupported general suggestions that it must exist.

Nithavela · Apr 25, 2021

I wonder where all the good guys with guns are.

What's the saying? "If seconds count, the police are minutes away"?

TLK Valentine · Apr 25, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

Nah, more fun to just roll in and suppress all dissent.

TLK Valentine · Apr 25, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
It's the black community that has the lowest support level for police. White people's approval is quite high. That said trust is a different issue. I support the police but I don't trust them. Too many bad experiences.

Rule by fear and violence has that effect.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 25, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Rule by fear and violence has that effect.

That's why we must vote the Democrats out in 2022.

Ironhold · Apr 25, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Nah, more fun to just roll in and suppress all dissent.

Looks like an M113 transport:
M113 armored personnel carrier - Wikipedia

Something like this would be for a SWAT team dealing with heavily armed opponents, such as during the North Hollywood Shoot-Out:
North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia .

Contrary to popular belief, most American law enforcement officers are only armed with a pistol. They *might* have a shotgun or bolt-action rifle in their vehicle, but that's it. The images you see of European law enforcement officers just traipsing down the street with submachine guns would actually be abhorrent to Americans, as the only American law enforcement agents with that much firepower are dedicated tactical operations teams. So something like this would only be rolled out if the cops are expecting trouble.

And yes, many larger cities and rural areas have at least one armored vehicle for their SWAT teams, usually a transport meant to get the officers where they need to go.

TLK Valentine · Apr 25, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
That's why we must vote the Democrats out in 2022.

How will that make you trust the police?

TLK Valentine · Apr 25, 2021

Ironhold said:
Looks like an M113 transport:
M113 armored personnel carrier - Wikipedia

Something like this would be for a SWAT team dealing with heavily armed opponents, such as during the North Hollywood Shoot-Out:
North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia .

Contrary to popular belief, most American law enforcement officers are only armed with a pistol. They *might* have a shotgun or bolt-action rifle in their vehicle, but that's it. The images you see of European law enforcement officers just traipsing down the street with submachine guns would actually be abhorrent to Americans, as the only American law enforcement agents with that much firepower are dedicated tactical operations teams. So something like this would only be rolled out if the cops are expecting trouble.

And yes, many larger cities and rural areas have at least one armored vehicle for their SWAT teams, usually a transport meant to get the officers where they need to go.

They had plenty of opportunities to get more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...surplus-military-weapons-equipment-to-police/

Surplus military gear keeps flowing after Trump reversed policy

Fortunately, it would seem that not every department took Donald up on his offer:

Trump Falsely Claimed That Transfers of Military Gear to Police Departments Are ‘At a Record Clip’ (Published 2018)

Albion · Apr 25, 2021

rjs330 said:
Black owned businesses are suffering greatly in the autonomous zone known as George Floyd Square in Minneapolis. Crime is going up and people are suffering...Crime goes up, citizens suffer and people have no one to help them.

One side in the argument -- whether here, or in Portland, or Seattle -- is collectivist in both theory and practice. So it doesn't matter much what happens to people of color who are ruined by these riots and acts of secession. It's the race that they have in mind, the whole class, even when it's only a theory.

You, however, are pointing out that individual human beings are being wronged, financially ruined, etc. by the actions of the militants. Real individuals in real situations whose real human and legal rights are violated don't much matter to these revolutionaries.

That's quite a change--a complete reversal, in fact--from the revolutionaries who founded this country.

rjs330 · Apr 25, 2021

Ironhold said:
Looks like an M113 transport:
M113 armored personnel carrier - Wikipedia

Something like this would be for a SWAT team dealing with heavily armed opponents, such as during the North Hollywood Shoot-Out:
North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia .

Contrary to popular belief, most American law enforcement officers are only armed with a pistol. They *might* have a shotgun or bolt-action rifle in their vehicle, but that's it. The images you see of European law enforcement officers just traipsing down the street with submachine guns would actually be abhorrent to Americans, as the only American law enforcement agents with that much firepower are dedicated tactical operations teams. So something like this would only be rolled out if the cops are expecting trouble.

And yes, many larger cities and rural areas have at least one armored vehicle for their SWAT teams, usually a transport meant to get the officers where they need to go.

Chances are the police either have a shot gun or semi automatic rifle as another weapon. The bolt action rifle pretty much went away years ago. Until the Hollywood shootout, most police just had shotguns. After that policing changed and they realized the need for semi automatic rifles that could penetrate body armor. That's the standard these days.

Larniavc · Apr 25, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
That's why we must vote the Democrats out in 2022.

Who tried to storm the capitol to do an Insurrectionism again?

That’s right: conservative coup enthusiasts.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 25, 2021

Larnievc said:
Who tried to storm the capitol to do an Insurrectionism again?

That’s right: conservative coup enthusiasts.

I don't think 'insurrection' has been determined.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 25, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
How will that make you trust the police?

It won't.

disciple Clint · Apr 26, 2021

SummerMadness said:
Perhaps police departments need reform so they can gain the public's trust.

The lack of trust can be directly traced to false media reporting.
Members of the media can't help but mislead on these stories in favor of a narrative of innocent black men being gunned down by overzealous, racist cops. Yet in many instances, the narrative preferred by the media has not matched up with what actually happened.

If not for journalists' constant resort to the innocent-black-guy-gets-shot trope for every police shooting by default, we'd probably have a much more nuanced understanding of what's going on. People who perceive the problem would be better informed, not just blind with rage against police, suburban residents, or whatever breakable window happens to be nearest by. Why must the media mislead on police shootings?

Larniavc · Apr 26, 2021

OldWiseGuy said:
I don't think 'insurrection' has been determined.

Yes. Yes it has. Don’t side with them- side with loyal Americans who did not storm the capitol with a portable gallows.

disciple Clint · Apr 26, 2021

Larnievc said:
Yes. Yes it has. Don’t side with them- side with loyal Americans who did not storm the capitol with a portable gallows.

Sides?, sides?, loyal Americans do not have them and us sides they do what is best for the country.

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