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I don't know as I will get to the full text of the Hebrew 4 discussion tonight due to the lateness of the hour. However, we first need to understand a bit of context for the book of Hebrews overall.

The book seems to be written to most likely Jewish believers in Christ. They have been in the faith for some time, and earlier stood for Christ during persecution. However, they have apparently been in danger of falling away from Christ and are encouraged to endure.

The book focuses heavily on how Christ is superior in every way. It indicates Jesus

Is a better High Priest
Presented a better offering that does what the OT offerings could not
Has a better covenant
Ministers in the better, true, sanctuary in heaven, rather than on earth
Is better than angels
Is better than Moses
Has given us greater access to the heavenly sanctuary than the earthly priests

etc.

In other words, it talks a lot about the better fulfillment in Christ.
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.


What should I do?

I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.




Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11


Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.

Believers of the New Covenant are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 8:2). The Sabbath command (the 4th) is clearly a part of the Old Law given to Israel and not the church. We need to understand that if the Old Law is no more, and therefore, the Sabbath is no more.

Here are a list of verses showing us the Old Law is no more:

"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

”Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4).

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).

“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).

27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).

50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).

8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).

7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).​

The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:

"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).​

Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).​

The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).​

Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).​

So it appears things have changed.

This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

"For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

In conclusion:

You sort of have to look at the Old Covenant (Old Testament) as one contract, and the New Covenant (New Testament) as another contract. It's kind of like a contract when you buy a house. If you did not like certain things in the contract, you could ask them to make some changes in the contract. If they agreed to the changes, you would then go by the new contract, and the old contract for the house would be discarded. There may be some similar things between the old contract, and the new contract, but you stick with the new contract in your dealing with buying the house. Meaning: This is why we seek to follow the New Covenant (New Testament) primarily even though there are certain laws that have carried over from the Old Covenant (Old Testament). We are clearly not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole or package deal. We follow the commands that come from Jesus and His followers.

For the Law
(Old Law) came by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (John 1:17).
 
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Christians are simply under the commands that come from Jesus and His apostles; However, you will not find one command from them that tells us to keep the Sabbath. No sins are listed among other sins in breaking the Sabbath can be found, either.

Now, Christians are to live holy and obey the Lord's commands in the New Covenant. For even the apostle Paul admits that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Christians (who are saved by God's grace) are under the New Testament commands or laws. We are to love God and love our neighbor. We are to love our enemies. Love the brethren. For loving our neighbor is the fulfilling of the Old Law (See: Romans 13:8-10).

But the Old Law (i.e. the 613 laws of Moses as a whole or package deal) was never an obligation for Gentile Christians to keep. See again Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24.

The Old Law has been fulfilled upon the cross with Christ's death, and it gave birth to a new set of God's Laws (found in the pages of the New Testament).

I hope this helps, and may God bless you greatly.
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.


What should I do?

I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.




Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11


Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.

I can point you in the right direction - read 2 Corinthians chapter 3 multiple times, it discusses the ten commands being the letter that kills, the ministry of death, and much more - then read the entire book of Galatians carefully, and multiple timers, because the entire book is about not being under the law of Moses, or having to keep sabbaths and in ch. 4:21-31, says that the entire covenant given on mount Sinai brought bondage.
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.


What should I do?

I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.




Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11


Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.

I can point you in the right direction - read 2 Corinthians chapter 3 multiple times, it discusses the ten commands being the letter that kills, the ministry of death, and much more - then read the entire book of Galatians carefully, and multiple timers, because the entire book is about not being under the law of Moses, and in ch. 4:21-31
 
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Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.

I'm not going to argue Sabbath keeping - but it is not an issue that dictates whether or not someone goes to hell.

Jesus saves - Jesus alone. We cannot do any good works to save ourselves and earn eternal life. We have eternal life only through Jesus.
It is God's will that people believe in his Son and receive eternal life, John 6:40, and it is the work of God that people believe in his Son, John 6:29.
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.

Hello,

God commanded His people to keep the Sabbath, the Holy Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and Jesus spent his ministry teaching us how to obey God's law by word and by example, so it should be crystal clear that if you believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible that you should keep the Sabbath holy.

What should I do?
I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.

Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11

Someone does not need to be SDA or accept the authority of Ellen G. White in order to recognize that followers of God should follow God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow.

Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6

There is an important distinction that should not be blurred between what is said about following the opinions of man and what is said about following the commands, so you should be careful not to take something that was only said against following the opinions of man and insert the commands of God into that. The Bible should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God's word.

In Romans 14:1, the topic of the chapter is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as Paul teaching us to rebel against God's commands. In Romans 14:5-6, Paul spoke about those who were eating or refraining from eating unto the Lord, so he was speaking about those who esteemed certain days for fasting as a disputable matter of opinion. God gave no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century, where those who chose to fast were passing judgement on those who did not (Luke 18:12), and it was exactly this sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell in this chapter. On the other hand the Sabbath is not even mentioned in Romans 14 precisely because it had nothing to do with the topic Paul was discussing. Where God gives a clear command, human opinion must yield, so the reason why were are to keep the Sabbath holy is not it was something that was derived from our own opinion, but because God blessed it, made it holy, commanded His people to keep it holy, and because what is holy to God should not be profaned by man.

Galatians 5:2-8

All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ because his ministry with that message, so Galatians 5:2-8 should not be interpreted as Paul warning us against following Christ and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ. Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching people how to follow Christ's example of obedience to God's law, as if following Christ were somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were teaching Gentiles that they needed to obey their works of the law in order to become justified. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is what it means to be under grace, not the way to fall from grace. So again the problem was with man-made laws, not God's law.

Galatians 4:9-11

In Galatians 4:8-11, Paul addressed these verses to those who formerly did not know God, also known as former pagans. As such, they were not formerly keeping God's holy days and thus Paul could not have been criticizing them for returning to them, so whatever he was referring to in this passage was within the context of paganism, not God's holy days.

Colossians 2:14-17

These verses are not speaking about any laws being nailed to the cross:

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2.) This person has been found guilty of murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed. In Matthew 27:37, it says that they put the charge that was against Jesus over his head, so what was nailed to people's crosses was not the laws themselves, but the charge that was against them. This serves as a perfect analogy for the list of our violations of God's law being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with ending any of God's laws, especially because they are all eternal (Psalms 119:160). In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to end any laws, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness, so saying that there were any laws nailed to the cross undermines what he accomplished on the cross. The Greek word "dogma" means "edict, ordinance, or decree" and is never used by the Bible to refer to God's law.

In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging them as teaching human traditions and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, so they were being judged by pagans. This means that the Colossians were keeping God's holy days in obedience to His commands in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow and Paul was encouraging them not to let any man judge them and keep them from obeying God.

I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.

While it is true that most Christians are not Jewish, Christ was Jewish, and being a Christians is about following what Christ taught by word and by example. Following Christ is not just for Jews, but for Gentiles too.
 
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Some interesting scriptural facts about God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and SUNDAY...

God's 4th COMMANDMENT SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
  1. After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)
  2. This stamped that day as God's rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.
  3. Therefore the seventh day must always be God's Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God's rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God's Sabbath day.
  4. The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)
  5. He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)
  6. He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)
  7. It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.
  8. Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.
  9. It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.
  10. It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)
  11. Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)
  12. It is' not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.
  13. The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God's holy rest day.
  14. Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:l-3; 8:10,12; 29:27,28.etc.)
  15. It was a part of God's law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)
  16. Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?
  17. The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12,13.)
  18. Then He wrote the commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)
  19. He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)
  20. It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)
  21. God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)
  22. God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12, 13.)
  23. It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)
  24. God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24, 25.)
  25. He sent them into the Babylonish captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)
  26. He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)
  27. God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6, 7.)
  28. This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)
  29. God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)
  30. The Lord requires us to call it "honourable". (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.
  31. After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down "many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12,13.)
  32. All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.
  33. When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father's example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?
  34. The seventh day is the Lord's Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)
  35. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)
  36. He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man's good. (Mark 2:23-28.)
  37. Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 12:1-13.)
  38. He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)
  39. He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)
  40. The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)
  41. Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, the Holy Spirit' expressly calls it "the Sabbath day,"(Acts 13:14.)
  42. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the "Sabbath day" in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?
  43. Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the "Sabbath day." (Acts 13:44.)
  44. The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)
  45. In the great Christian council, A.D. 49, in the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the "sabbath day." (Acts 15:21)
  46. It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)
  47. Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2, 3.)
  48. It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2,3.)
  49. The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)
  50. There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.
  51. In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?
  52. But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all." Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?
  53. The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”
  54. Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath's being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.
  55. God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use - the seventh day for common labor?
  56. No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modem Christians do differently from Bible Christians?
  57. There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.
  58. As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (Isaiah 66:22, 23.)
  59. The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17
  60. Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.
SUNDAY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK
  1. The very first thing recorded In the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week. (Genesis l: l-5.) The Creator Himself did this. If God made the earth on Sunday, can it be wicked for us to work on Sunday?
  2. God commands men to work upon the first day of the week. (Exodus 20.8-11.) Is it wrong to obey God?
  3. None of the patriarchs ever kept it.
  4. None of the holy prophets ever kept it.
  5. By the express command of-God, His holy people used the first day of the week as a common working day for 4,000 years, at least.
  6. God Himself calls it a "working" day. (Ezekiel 46:1.)
  7. God did not rest upon it.
  8. He never blessed it.
  9. Christ did not rest upon it.
  10. Jesus was a carpenter (Mark 6:3), and worked at His trade until He was thirty years old. He kept the Sabbath and worked six days in the week, as all admit. Hence He did many a hard day’s work on Sunday.
  11. The apostles worked upon it during the same time.
  12. The apostles never rested upon it.
  13. Christ never blessed it.
  14. It has never been blessed by any divine authority.
  15. It has never been sanctified.
  16. No law was ever given to enforce the keeping of it, hence it is no transgression to work upon it. “Where no law is, there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15 (See also 1 John 3:4.)
  17. The New Testament nowhere forbids work to be done on it.
  18. No penalty is provided for its violation.
  19. No blessing is promised for its observance.
  20. No regulation is given as to how it ought to be observed. Would this be so if the Lord wished us to keep it?
  21. It is never called the Christian Sabbath.
  22. It is never called the Sabbath day at all.
  23. It is never called the Lord’s day.
  24. It is never called even a rest day.
  25. No sacred title whatever is applied to it. Then why should we call it holy?
  26. It is simply called “first day of the week.”
  27. Jesus never-mentioned it in any way, never took its name upon His lips, so far as the record shows.
  28. The word Sunday never occurs in the Bible at all.
  29. Neither God, Christ, nor inspired men ever said one word in favor of Sunday as a holy day.
  30. The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2.)
  31. Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week.
  32. Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1Corinthians 16:2.)
  33. In all the New Testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12.)
  34. There is not intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.
  35. It was not their custom to meet on that day.
  36. There was no requirement to break bread on that day.
  37. We have an account of only one instance in which it was done. (Acts 20:7.)
  38. That was done in the night-after midnight. (Verses 7-11.) Jesus celebrated it on Thursday evening (Luke 22), and the disciples sometimes did it every day (Acts 2:42-46.)
  39. The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which contradicts the law of God. (Matthew 15:1-9.) Baptism commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Romans 6:3-5.)
  40. Finally, the New Testament is totally silent with regard to any change of the Sabbath day or any sacredness for the first day.
(Review and Herald Publishing Association about the year 1885)
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.


What should I do?

I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.




Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11


Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.
Hello my friend,
While Jesus was prophesying the coming destruction of Jerusalem he said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" Matt 24:20

He was talking to His disciples, the teachers of His Church, US. If the Sabbath is done away with as some say then those are some pretty confusing words coming from our Lord and Savior. But thanks be to God that those words are not idle but alive. And you can bet your bottom dollar the Apostles and the disciples had it alive in them come that great and dreadful day and took heed to His Words if they were in Jerusalem.

The prophecy in Matt 24 reveals much. It Speaks of the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, the Great tribulation prior to our Lord and Savior's second coming, His second coming and the end of the world.
So during this Great Tribulation prior to Christ's second coming let us pray that our flight not be in the winter neither on the Sabbath Day.
But Praise be to God that those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto us, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
AMEN

Please notice there are 3 questions asked in the following verse. They are, When shall these things be in respect to the Temple being destroyed, what shall be the sign of thy coming and lastly when sign of the end of the world.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

How do we know that Jesus' warning to pray that our flight not be in winter or on the Sabbath Day pertains to the tribulation at the end of the world before His second coming? By the words that He spoke. The words for, and, then, are all connectives which connect verses 21-27 back to verse 20 where Jesus says to" pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day."

Now these would be wasted words if Jesus does not expect us to keep the Sabbath through out our time here, through the tribulation up until His second coming.

Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
 
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I'm a new Christian. There is 5 months or something since I started 'truly' following Jesus and God, obeying Him, learning, etc. Everything is going well, I'm learning so much. But now, looks like everything is running out of my control, I don't know what to do or to follow anymore, if I should do X or no, if I should follow Y or no.
Only one thing remains clear to me: I believe in Jesus, God, Holy Spirit and Bible.

There is many things right now I don't know what to follow or do. But in this thread, I wanna focus in just one of them: the Sabbath / the 4th commandment. It is making me desperate, overthink over and over and get worried so often.


What should I do?

I have already read the Bible arguments from SDA and they look really good. But I also read the Bible arguments from people that do not follow the Sabbath and they also look really good.
Since both really look good, I thought that the Bible is contradicting itself, but I truly believe in the Bible, I just don't know what to follow.




Arguments from SDA:
1-
The 4th commandment that God gave to Moses
2- Matthew 17:3 - I don't know exactly if this is an argument, but I saw some using it.
3- Mark 7:6-13
4- Luke 16:31
5- Deuteronomy 8:11


Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



I am personally more inclined to the non-Sabbath verses, because they look more solid and direct on what message/meaning they are trying to get across and it is also aiming for Christians that are not Jewish, but the SDA arguments are also good.

Please, don't use articles and texts that are not from the Bible to make an argument.
And don't use "if your conscience says to..." arguments, they are so shallow, and this is a subject that is directed connected to God and Jesus and defines if you go to hell or no, because even if you do every other thing correctly, if God's Truth is that no matter who you are you should follow Sabbath, then I would say it is a condemning subject.
In Matthew chapter 5:16-21 according to Jesus we are to let our light shine before men that they see our good works that our Father be glorified. In respect to this He said that, "Until Heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled." Therefore he said in respect to the law, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven". And then in respect to that he says, "For I say unto you". That means as in verse 18 that what follows is directly related to what is about to be said. The use of the word "for" dictates this as does the word "that". So in respect to being called least in the Kingdom of Heaven for breaking one of these least commandments, and teaching men so, except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So what does it mean to be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven?
It means We shall in no case enter therein if we shall break one of these least (smallest) commandment and teach men so.
By the way, If there are commandments that are considered least, small in the mind and heart of God that means there are greater ones also.
Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
For all the law and the prophets hang, depend on these two. Matthew 22:37-40
Incidentally how can we be under that which now has become part of us through Christ?
For God has said His Law is in our hearts and in our minds, His Word in our hearts and mouths that is the word of faith in which we preach.
Matt 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
 
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Arguments that don't think Christians need to follow Sabbath:
1-
Romans 14:5,6
2- Galatians 5:2-8
3- Galatians 4:9-11
4- Colossians 2:14-17



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Okay my friend let's take a better look at these. First Romans 14.
First off please note that the Sabbath is not mentioned. If the Sabbath was to be done away with Paul would have mentioned it outright due to the stir it would have caused in and amongst his fellow Hebrew brothers and sisters. He did not. So what was he speaking on? The answer to that can be found in verse 1 of the same chapter. See we are not talking about our Lord God's commandments here in chapter 14. Paul is speaking on new convert's opinions about certain things they were doing in respect to observing certain days.

We really DO NOT KNOW what days he is speaking on. For all we know he could be speaking on the observing of Sunday in honor of our Lord resurrection. But we do know that he was not speaking on the Sabbath because he would have mentioned it specifically and would have went into why due to the controversy it would have caused. Here are a couple different lexicons which are basically dictionaries that bring out the meaning of the Greek word διακρίσεις which is translated doubtful in the KJV. The first is an excerpt from Thayer's and the second is from the BDAG.

διαλογισμός, διαλογισμοῦ, ὁ (διαλογίζομαι), the Septuagint for מַחֲשָׁבָה and Chaldean רַעְיוֹן, in Greek writings from Plato down, the thinking of a man deliberating with himself; hence,
1. a thought, inward reasoning: Luk 2:35; Luk 5:22; Luk 6:8; Luk 9:46f; Rom 14:1 (yet some bring this under 2); the reasoning of those who think themselves to be wise, Rom 1:21; 1Co 3:20; an opinion: κριταί διαλογισμῶν πονηρῶν, judges with evil thoughts, i.e. who follow perverse opinions, reprehensible principles, Jas 2:4 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 187 (176)); purpose, design: Mat 15:19; Mar 7:21...

From the BDAG.... engagement in verbal conflict because of differing viewpoints, quarrel (Polyb. 18, 28, 3; Dio Chrys. 21 [38], 21) Ac 4:32 D. προσλαμβάνεσθαι μὴ εἰς δ. διαλογισμῶν welcome, but not for the purpose of getting into quarrels about opinions Ro 14:1.—M-M. TW. Sv.




(Rom 14:1 [BSBRevINT])
- Accept him whose - faith is weak, without - passing judgment on his opinions.

(Rom 14:1 [ACV-nt])
AND THO WHO IS WEAK IN THA FAITH RECEIVE YE NOT FOR ARGUMENTS OF OPINIONS

(Rom 14:1 [NET2])
Now receive the one who is weak in the faith, and do not have disputes over differing opinions.
 
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This was in my daily devotional today...

DOES GALATIANS 4:9–11 RELATE TO SABBATH OBSERVANCE?

The apostle Paul also refers to this subject in Romans 14. The Jewish people celebrated two distinct kinds of holy days: the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, which existed before sin took hold on this planet (see Genesis 2), and the sabbath days, which were ceremonial holy days established after the fall. The commandment Sabbath was spoken by God’s voice; the other ceremonial sabbaths were spoken by Moses. The Fourth Commandment was written by God’s finger in stone; the other holy days were written on parchment by Moses.

When Jesus came, He fulfilled and “nailed to the cross” the ceremonial laws (see Colossians 2:14). He did not, however, wipe away the Ten Commandments. Jesus said, “Assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18). When we accept Christ, it doesn’t mean we have a license to lie, kill, and commit adultery. The Sabbath commandment is part of that same package.

When Paul wrote this passage, the Jewish converts to Christianity were telling the Galatians and the Romans to start observing all of the Jewish holy days—the Passover, the Day of Atonement, the Feast of Trumpets, and so forth. Paul was saying, “You’re telling these people to observe the ceremonial shadows that pointed to Jesus. It doesn’t make sense to worship a shadow when the real thing has already come.” He wasn’t referring to the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

Some have tried to convince people that God was abolishing the one commandment that begins with the word “Remember.” It’s a weak argument. I’ve never heard a Sunday-keeping pastor stand up and say, “Don’t come to church on Sundays, or you’ll be observing days!”

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Can you please answer the question directly? I am curious to know the SDA position on that and I'd rather hear it from you than have to do ask it at a SDA forum.

So you are saying that this is "unclear"?

Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 in your view - was Paul wrong?

John said "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12 - was John wrong in your POV?

Paul said that the Law of God - the unit of TEN with the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 being the 5th commandment "honor your father and mother" - is still applicable to the saints in the NT - do you think Paul was wrong? (BTW this is the point where Bible scholars on both sides of this topic in almost all major denominations -- do agree about the TEN)

Or do you agree that what a person happens to know about what the Commandments of God are - might differ from person to person even when both people are actively seeking to know more real Bible truth?

No matter who we are , or at what point we are, the Holy Spirit seeks to give us more light. "When HE the Spirit of Truth comes - He will guide you into all truth" John 16 - that is part of His work - as well as "convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness AND judgment" John 16.

How about this "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31 -- does that help?

Or this "17 So for one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, for him it is sin." James 4:17

Or this "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4

Do you find the Bible to be helpful at all in this case -- or is your point that yes you know the Bible says that - but you not sure that Adventists believe it as well?

I think we all know this "the Holy Spirit convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 - and that includes the Holy Spirit providing these texts for us to read and understand.

My job is not to "convict the world of sin" (infinite God the Holy Spirit already does that) my job is to read the Bible and accept what it teaches.
 
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Others have answered the OP points nicely. I wanted to add to what has already been said.

The Sabbath day was the first institution after creation. It will be the last institution before the second coming and utter destruction.

In Exodus 31:13-14, the Sabbath is given significance.

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
  • The children of Israel.
  • The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people throughout our generations. That we may know that He is the Lord that does sanctify us.
  • We will keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to us.
  • Every one that defiles the Sabbath shall surely be put to death.
  • Whoever does any work on the Sabbath, that soul will be cut off from among his people.
At first glance, the above words pertain only to the Israelites in Moses' day, but look closer.
  • The children of Israel include those grafted in (Romans 11:24). Gentiles. Us.
  • The Sabbath is a sign. Blue Letter Bible, Strong's H226. sign: a distinguishing mark! Sound familiar? It should, Revelation speaks of the mark of the beast. If the Sabbath is a sign, a mark, it is then the Seal of God.
  • A sign throughout our generations. This is not only talking about Israel, but all generations.
  • The Sabbath is linked to holiness from the Lord (sanctification). The Sabbath itself is holy to us.
  • The Sabbath was linked to a death penalty in Moses' day and it is linked to a death decree in the last days (Revelation 13:15). Also, the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
  • That soul will be cut off from among his people also applies to the last days.
    • Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
    • Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
The Sabbath will be observed in heaven and the new earth, for all eternity (Isaiah 66:23).

On the surface, it's easy to dismiss the Sabbath as not important and Sunday as the day of worship. The more you look into scripture, the more you see it is of utmost importance.
 
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Can you please answer the question directly?...Does this mean you do believe the Sabbath must be kept in order to receive eternal life?

So you are saying that this is "unclear"?

How about this "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31 -- does that help?

Or this "17 So for one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, for him it is sin." James 4:17

Or this "sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4

Do you find the Bible to be helpful at all in this case -- or is your point that yes you know the Bible says that - but you not sure that Adventists believe it as well?

I think we all know this "the Holy Spirit convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 - and that includes the Holy Spirit providing these texts for us to read and understand.

My job is not to "convict the world of sin" (infinite God the Holy Spirit already does that) my job is to read the Bible and accept what it teaches.
So Bob, your direct answer to the direct question posted by ewq1938 is a resounding YES?
 
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So Bob, your direct answer to the direct question posted by ewq1938 is a resounding YES?
You remind me of the Pharisees trying to trap Jesus in His words to condemn Him. Except here you are trying to get Bob to say something to get him kicked off the site.
 
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So Bob, your direct answer to the direct question posted by ewq1938 is a resounding YES?

1. My answer was "scripture"
2. I don't make stuff up as being someone else's answer to a question.
3. I believe in James 4:17 "So for one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, for him it is sin." - which would make it all an individual matter between each person and God the Holy Spirit , no matter if the individual is Buddhist, or Mormon, or Catholic or JW or Baptist or Adventist.
 
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Paul warns the church --

2 Tim 4"
2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, use self-restraint in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

1 Thess 5:1 Now as to the periods and times, brothers and sisters, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6 so then, let’s not sleep as others do
 
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Paul is not preaching "peace and safety" in Gal 4 when writing to a gentile church - to former-pagans newly turned to be Christian and saying this

Gal 4
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? 10 You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

He condemns them for "turning back again" to some of their old pagan practices honoring pagan days of observance.... He was not preaching "peace and safety - go ahead.. all will be well no matter what you are doing"


Paul is not soft pedaling in 1 Cor 8 either

1 Cor 8:
Now concerning food sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes one conceited, but love edifies people. 2 If anyone thinks that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know; 3 but if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.

4 Therefore, concerning the eating of food sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

7 However, not all people have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.

10 For if someone sees you, the one who has knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will his conscience, if he is weak, not be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge the one who is weak is ruined, the brother or sister for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brothers and sisters and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to sin.


Paul once again points out the issue with former-pagan turned Christian and how those who have knowledge should not do anything that might lead them back again to their old ways.
 
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