Contrary to what Premil teaches: Revelation 20 does not locate Jesus on earth!

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For years, it has been the Premil mantra that Jesus will be ruling in majesty and glory for 1000 years on planet earth after the second coming. This is repeatedly advanced as a core fundamental of that theory. But when you dig a little bit deeper and press Premils, it is clear that this theory cannot be found in Revelation 20 - the only text they have that mentions a thousand years. In fact, nowhere in Scripture teaches that Christ will be ruling in majesty and glory for 1000 years in what is in reality a re-run of this current corrupt age.

The Premil new earth is a contradictory mix of justice and injustice, deliverance and bondage, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, perfection and sin, glorification and corruption, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror.

This is clearly an extra-biblical Premil innovation. This is testimony to how bereft this doctrine is of biblical support.

Premils avoid the basic question: where in Revelation 20 does it show Jesus on earth?

Revelation 20 actually takes us back to the first resurrection - where Jesus conquered, sin, death Hades and Satan. It shows the spiritual binding of Satan in order to enlighten the Gentiles. When Christ bound Satan’s kingdom through His life, death and resurrection then the kingdom of darkness was bound. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm is currently restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel. The bruising of the head of the beast (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14) correlates with the bruising of the head of Satan 2,000 years ago through the earthly ministry of Christ (Genesis 3:15). They correspond with the spiritual binding imprisoning of Satan during the millennial period. These are figurative metaphors describing the impairment of the kingdom of darkness 2000 years ago.

Just before the second coming Satan gets a little season to wreck havoc on the Church. When Satan is released before the second coming for a little season then so is the beast, and Satan's minions. We see the devils in Revelation 9:2-3, the beast in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 17:8, and Satan in Revelation 9:10-11 and Revelation 20:3 all being released before the second coming for a little season. Then comes the end! But Christ comes in majestic and eternal glory to overthrow the kingdom of darkness forever. The demonic realm is all killed when Satan is destroyed at the climactic second coming (Isaiah 26:19-27:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20, 20:9-10).

What arrives at the second coming is the eternal state - perfection. The earth will be finally and wholly purged of the bondage of corruption, not as Premils argue: we are plagued with another age like ours full of sin and sinners, crying and dying, Satan and his demons. This alleged future Premil millennial kingdom ends with the wicked overrunning the age to come and surrounding Christ in all His glory and the glorified saints.

Revelation 11:15 Jesus returns bodily to earth, and reigns and rules the nations with a rod of iron, for 1,000 years.

If He stayed in heaven, it couldn’t be said that the kingdom’s of the world have become the kingdom’s of Jesus and God.

That Jesus rules from a specific city on earth is shown by the fact that when Satan is loosed from the pit, he assembles an army that surrounds the city Jesus is in, and fire from heaven destroys them.

BTW it’s not the rerun of this current age, per Isaiah there will be peace, with Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of Iron.

There’s zero reason to spiritualize the literal coming millennial reign of Jesus.
 
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Timtofly doesn’t understand that Satan had to be bound so that Christ builds His Church on Earth

Satan is not only NOT bound now , but scripture makes it clear that he is currently the god of this world, who roams around seeking whom he may destroy, and is the thief that steals, kills, and destroys - and we are told we must put on the whole armor of God in order to win the spiritual warfare we are in and defeat Satan.

Plus 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Satan hindered Paul.

That’s kind of hard to do if he is currently bound, eh?
 
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Revelation 11:15 Jesus returns bodily to earth, and reigns and rules the nations with a rod of iron, for 1,000 years.

If He stayed in heaven, it couldn’t be said that the kingdom’s of the world have become the kingdom’s of Jesus and God.

That Jesus rules from a specific city on earth is shown by the fact that when Satan is loosed from the pit, he assembles an army that surrounds the city Jesus is in, and fire from heaven destroys them.

BTW it’s not the rerun of this current age, per Isaiah there will be peace, with Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of Iron.

There’s zero reason to spiritualize the literal coming millennial reign of Jesus.

You really need to read the text you are presenting to support the Premil theory before posting. The detail relating to the last trumpet of the seven proves it is the end of time, the end of wickedness, the end of sin, the end of death, end of corruption, end of Satan, thus proving Amillennialism and forbidding Premil. This is indeed the end!

Revelation 10:1-3: “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second Coming. We will the symbolism shortly.

Revelation 10:5-7 says of the Second Advent and the concluding last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

There is clearly a major dilemma here for you those who take Revelation to be a literal chronological unfolding of last day events. They must surely concede, if they are going to be consistent with their view that everything after Revelation 11 (which also refers to the seventh trumpet) is in the realm of eternity and the after-life. After all Revelation 10 plainly records that with this particular event “there should be time no longer.” For those who would lightly dismiss this important narrative as anything other than a magnificent picture of the Lord Jesus Christ and His glorious second coming, they do foolishly ignore the great wealth of explicit and consistent end-time teaching on this subject and divorce the undoubted harmony of this chapter from the rest of New Testament prophetic teaching.

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Preterist, Pretribulationist or Historist positions.

The King James Version interprets the passage correctly and in context: chronos ouketi estai – literally meaning: Time – no longer – there shall be’!!!

The whole import and wording of the remainder of the passage perfectly supports the King James Version rendering and confirms the all-consummating nature of the Second Advent, which says, “when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be etelesthee (or) finished.” It should be noted that the word etelesthee is a very strong all-consummating word that is rightly translated ‘finished’ in this reading and is consistently interpreted: completed, concluded, expired and accomplished.

Revelation 11:15: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Verse 18 then reveals how the Second Advent ushers in the general judgment, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the Pretribulationist doctrine.

At the last trumpet, Christ will “reward” the saints and “destroy” the wicked. It is “the time of the dead, that they should be judged.” One wonders how anyone could not see a general resurrection of the dead here in order to enable a general judgment.
 
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Your doctrine will not allow you to see the spiritual truth being conveyed to this OT audience in symbolic form.

What is the sea or waters symbolic of in Scripture?

In biblical symbology, the sea is used to represent peoples, nations and tongues that cover the whole earth as the sea covers the earth.

Isaiah 17:12-13 explains: “Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off.”

Similarly, in Isaiah 60:5 we learn: the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.”

These two statements in Isaiah 60:5 are simply repeating the same truth, one enlarging upon the other. This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling the exact same thing, only in different terms.

The text is looking forward to the new covenant period when salvation would go out to all nations. In this text, the nations of the world are likened unto the abundance of the sea and is said that they shall be converted unto thee.”

Isaiah 57:20 tells us that the wicked are like the troubled sea.” Jude describes the “ungodly” as raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame.”

James 1:6 says of the unregenerate: “he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”

Jude verse 4 likens “ungodly men” to “the raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame.”

Revelation 17:1 & 15: “Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters … And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

In the light of these plain references, it seems reasonable to identify “the sea,” which the beast rises out of in this symbolic passage in Revelation 13:1, with the wicked from throughout the nations of the earth.

Isaiah 27:1 also interestingly predicts, “For, behold, LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.”

The whole context of this reading revolves around the Lord coming to punish the wicked inhabitants of the earth. This event also sees the slaying of Satan – who is located “in the sea.” Contextually, and in keeping with other similar passages, this could be interpreted to be among the wicked.

There seems to be a picture developing!!! The wicked nations / peoples / kingdoms are where Satan holds his tight control. They are rough iniquitous waters.

Like Satan, the beast was placed under definite restraint at the cross and chained within the spiritual domain of the abyss. Notwithstanding, John saw him “ascend out of the bottomless pit” in Revelation 17:8.

The greatest support is found in Revelation itself. The sea or waters are actually identified as symbolic in Revelation 17:1 & 15. It confirms the figurative import of the same, saying, “Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters … And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

This is clear, concise and unambiguous. We are within our rights to consider this imagery throughout this highly symbolic book.

This religious prostitute that holds sway over the deluded is described as sitting on waters, which in turn is interpreted for us as “peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

The place where these four great kingdoms emanate from could then similarly be viewed as among the wicked. In Revelation 13:1 John sees the beast “rise up out of the sea,” later in the chapter, in Revelation 13:11 16, he sees another beast – the false prophet – “coming up out of the earth.”

Zechariah 14

Zechariah 14:6-9 states, in keeping with the theme of the previous chapters, saying, And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one

Luke 23:44-46 records, it was about the sixth hour (midday), and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour (3pm). And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”

Whilst there was natural and spiritual darkness over Jerusalem when Christ was crucified, this all changed in the evening. With the renting of the veil the light broke through. Natural and spiritual light did indeed shine forth and has been graciously ever since. Christ is the “light of the world” (John 8:12, 9:5). Through His death He became an everlasting light to the Gentiles (Isaiah 42:6, 60:20).

The living water that flowed out from Christ at the cross secured the redemption of the saints of all time, whether in the Old Testament (the former sea) or in the New Testament (the hinder sea). The Bible says, in 2 Corinthians 5:18-21, “all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation ... For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Zechariah 14:8 is referring to the time when redemption was finally and eternally secured for the redeemed. It is speaking of the eternal salvation that sprang forth from the cross. We must remember, the elect in the Old Testament were always looking forward to the cross, whereas, we today in the New Testament are looking back to the finished work.

Colossians 1:20-22 confirms: "having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight."

This is talking about the Lord's first advent and the peace He brought to Jerusalem. The inhabitants that entered the New Jerusalem by faith experienced the peace of God. In the kingdom of God there are no wars, destruction and death - just eternal life. Thus the statement: “And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.”

The Hebrew word "former" illustrating the Jews being the old or first of the sea, and the word "hinder" being those who come after or behind. In other words, the last. The living waters go out to all the world, Jew and Gentile, and this seems also to be illustrated in the context of verse following.
So we are to conflate the Holy Spirit with the sea of wickedness and human carnal flesh? How does both symbolism placed together make sense? Yes the sea represents people, until it does not and is a literal sea. Why turn a literal sea into the Holy Spirit?
 
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Satan is not only NOT bound now , but scripture makes it clear that he is currently the god of this world, who roams around seeking whom he may destroy, and is the thief that steals, kills, and destroys - and we are told we must put on the whole armor of God in order to win the spiritual warfare we are in and defeat Satan.

That is simply not true!

Premil is always exaggerating the power and influence of Satan. That is an error. Amil on the other hand has a triumphant reigning Christ who is ruling over His enemies as sovereign King in majesty and glory.

Some Christians respond, but what about 1 Peter 5:8? Let us read it: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.The very next verse 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist stedfast in the faith.”

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us.

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This is incredible! You resist, he must flee. When the devil plants a temptation, a doubt or a fear, you simply have to resist it, whereupon Satan must get his boots on and run. This word “flee” in the original means to escape, flee away or vanish. Now think about it. When you resist, he must disappear. The conflict today for the Church is not an earthly battle to possess an earthly territory but a spiritual battle to possess spiritual territory.

When Christ introduced the kingdom of God to this sin-cursed world at the commencement of His earthly ministry He essentially announced the beginning of the spiritual invasion of Satan’s territory. Those that were in darkness were liberated everywhere He went. Those that were bound by Satan were released and demons were subjugated. Nations that were once engulfed in total darkness controlled exclusively by the powers of darkness would now mercifully see light and liberation. In fact, everywhere the kingdom of God advanced Satan was decisively unseated. Christ disarmed Satan and rescued men from his power. Everywhere the kingdom of God manifested it was marked by the preaching of the Gospel, the sick being healed and demonic spirits being bound. That is not to say Satan is without power or influence in the world. It is rather that believers under the anointing of God have victory over the evil one and power to bind his influence.

There is no doubt, individual unbelievers are very much under the devil’s control and influence and therefore utterly deceived by him. 2 Corinthians 4:4 confirms that “the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not” and 2 Timothy 2:26 explains how they are “taken captive by him at his will.”

Matthew 12:22-29 records, Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind (deo) the strong man? And then he will spoil his house.”

Jesus describes Satan here as the “strong man.” He depicts Himself as the One who enters the house the strong man and plunders his goods. But before this happens he must first be incapacitated.

The Lord identifies the casting out of devils, and the resulting liberating of souls, with the actual binding of the strong man. He in turn presents this as proof that Satan is curbed through the presence and victorious function of the kingdom of God. Christ was specifically referring to Satan here (the strong man) and his demonic kingdom, and expressly connects his binding with the manifestation of the kingdom of God during His earthly ministry. The subjugating of devils was proof of the spiritual restraint of the evil one. Satan could not prevent this. Satan could not overcome those who had been rescued by Christ.

The devil was subject to the purposes of God and hurt by the spiritual advance of the kingdom of God. This kingdom is still alive and active today. Souls are still being marvelously delivered from the power of Satan. The binding of the strong man continues today wherever the Gospel prevails.

Mark 3:11, 23-27 also records: unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God ... And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind (deo) the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

This familiar discourse by our Lord came as a response to the crude scoffs of the religious Scribes (during His earthly ministry) dismissing Christ’s deliverance ministry as a work of Satan. Christ’s reply confirmed that the binding of Satan commenced 2,000 yrs ago and is not simply a future hope that will occur after the Lord’s return. He said: “No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.” Christ was firstly referring to the false charge that was laid at his door in relation to his assault on the demonic realm. Secondly, He was describing the subjugation of the “unclean spirits” as “when they saw him” they “fell down before him” in surrender.

Jesus said in the corresponding passage in Luke 11:20-22, if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.”

Here, Christ highlights the Sovereign power of the kingdom of God and reveals how the “strong man” – Satan – and his kingdom of devils can only be defeated by One that is stronger than them, namely Himself – the Son of God. As we examine the gospels we discover, Satan was stripped everywhere that Christ confronted him. The Lord entered the devil’s house and took authority over him and spoilt His goods. Previously, Satan's grip on the nations was so strong and so embedded that the truth of God's Word could not penetrate through. The devil overwhelmingly controlled the Gentile nations.

Christ said: “When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace.” This was a direct reference to the unchallenged power of Satan over the nations in the Old Testament. The vast territory of the Gentile nations was under his evil control. He governed the nations at will and operated in an unmolested environment – thus “his goods” were said to be “in peace.”

Satan’s wicked grip over the nations was loosened by the life, death and resurrection of Christ. Many millions were liberated by His message of hope and liberation. In fact, if anything was representative of Christ’s ministry it was the binding of the works of darkness and the deliverance of the afflicted. Christ defeated the power of Satan and all his minions with His sinless life, His vicarious death and His victorious resurrection and therefore wholly fulfilled His earthly assignment. The advance of the kingdom of God therefore has seen the pushing back of the devil’s frontline throughout the nations. It is not that he can’t still create havoc and deceive people; it is that he can’t hinder the triumphant advance of the Gospel throughout the world.
 
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So we are to conflate the Holy Spirit with the sea of wickedness and human carnal flesh? How does both symbolism placed together make sense? Yes the sea represents people, until it does not and is a literal sea. Why turn a literal sea into the Holy Spirit?

As has been ably explained by others: the living waters is the Holy Spirit. The former sea represents Old Testament Israel and the hinder sea represents the overwhelmingly Gentile New Testament Church.
 
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For what purpose would we need a third temple? Christ is the realization of the shadow, symbol, and type. He is the ultimate fulfillment. He is the eternal temple. Is He not enough? Is He not acceptable enough? Do you need something greater?
Your lengthy post did not even consider the scriptures I posted.
All I need is Jesus, but what God requires is quite different. Your attempts to personalize this issue are contemptable.

There are several passages in the Old Testament that clearly indicate animal sacrifice will be re-instituted by the new citizens of all the holy Land. Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:40-41

The passage that is the most extensive, giving the greatest detail, is Ezekiel 43:18 and 46:24.

It should be noted that this is part of a greater passage dealing with the period after the Lords faithful people go to live in all of the holy Land, soon after the Land is cleared and cleansed; before Jesus Returns.

A prophecy that plainly states how those people will build the Temple, a new Temple that will surpass all other temples previously built, even Herod’s temple that was quite large, which existed during the earthly ministry of Christ. Haggai 2:6-9

The Shekinah Glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4

After giving details concerning the size, 1 Kings 6:1-3, and appearance of the Temple and the Altar, the Lord then begins to give detailed instruction as to the animal sacrifices that will be offered. Ezekiel 43:18-27
In chapter 44, the Lord gives instructions as to who will be offering sacrifices to the Lord. The Lord states that all of the Levites will not be offering blood and fat to the Lord due to previous sin; it will be those from the lineage of Zadok, (verse 15). Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:10

Chapters 45 and 46 continue to mention that animal sacrifices will be made.
That this truth does not meet with your approval, will not stop the prophesies being fulfilled as described.
 
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For years, it has been the Premil mantra that Jesus will be ruling in majesty and glory for 1000 years on planet earth after the second coming. This is repeatedly advanced as a core fundamental of that theory. But when you dig a little bit deeper and press Premils, it is clear that this theory cannot be found in Revelation 20 - the only text they have that mentions a thousand years.
The fact that Revelation 20 mentions a 1,000 year period a total of 6 times is all that I need to know.
In fact, nowhere in Scripture teaches that Christ will be ruling in majesty and glory for 1000 years in what is in reality a re-run of this current corrupt age.
IMO, that's the problem some are having with putting the pieces together...
It will not be a re-run of the world as it was before His second coming.

He will rule them from Jerusalem ( and the throne of His father David ) with a rod of iron.
Premils avoid the basic question: where in Revelation 20 does it show Jesus on earth?
" And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
( Revelation 20:4-6 ).
 
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Revelation 20 actually takes us back to the first resurrection - where Jesus conquered, sin, death Hades and Satan.
The "first resurrection" being spoken of in Revelation 20 was not Christ's resurrection.
It is the general resurrection of the dead in Christ.
See Matthew 24 and Mark 13 where immediately after the tribulation of those days, He sends forth His angels to gather His elect from the 4 winds, and from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of Heaven.

The second resurrection is the one unto death ( Revelation 20:12-15 ), where those being resurrected ( the "dead", or those not alive in Christ ) will face the Judgment and will be cast into the Lake of Fire for their sins.
When Christ bound Satan’s kingdom through His life, death and resurrection then the kingdom of darkness was bound. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm is currently restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel.
According to Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is to be bound after the events of Revelation 19... in which the Lord takes the beast and the false prophet and casts them alive into a lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

That takes place after the Tribulation.
 
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This alleged future Premil millennial kingdom ends with the wicked overrunning the age to come and surrounding Christ in all His glory and the glorified saints.
Yes, it does.

What's more, Satan is released for a season to go out and deceive the nations that will be ruled by the Lord from Jerusalem, surround the camp of the saints and fire will come down from Heaven and devour them.

Then the Judgment takes place.
After that, there will be new heavens and a new earth.

All this can be readily found in the Scriptures.
 
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The Premil new earth is a contradictory mix of justice and injustice, deliverance and bondage, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, perfection and sin, glorification and corruption, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror.
The misunderstanding by many is, that it is not the new earth... but the last 1,000 years of the old one ruled by the Lord Jesus Christ before it all gets burned up and a new one ( with the New Jerusalem come down from Heaven ) is created for His saints to live on for all eternity.

The new earth will contain none of what you have described in the negative, my friend.:)
 
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The fact that Revelation 20 mentions a 1,000 year period a total of 6 times is all that I need to know.
What difference does it make how many times it's mentioned? I've seen this argument several times before and it's utterly ridiculous. The beast is mentioned 30+ times in the book of Revelation. Does that make it a literal beast rather than a symbolic one?

He will rule them from Jerusalem ( and the throne of His father David ) with a rod of iron.

" And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
( Revelation 20:4-6 ).
Are you aware that Christ has been reigning and Christians have already been priests of God and of Christ a long time? You're not allowing scripture to interpret scripture here. Within the same book we see this:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus Christ Himself is the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5) and He has been "the prince of the kings of the earth" for a long time. Notice that at the time John wrote the book Jesus had already "made us kings and priests unto God and his Father". That is not something that iwll occur in the future. It's been a reality for a long time already.

Do you not know that we are in Christ's kingdom now?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

All believers have part in Christ's resurrection (the first resurrection) by believing in Him and spiritually entering into His kingdom.
 
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Satan is not only NOT bound now , but scripture makes it clear that he is currently the god of this world, who roams around seeking whom he may destroy, and is the thief that steals, kills, and destroys - and we are told we must put on the whole armor of God in order to win the spiritual warfare we are in and defeat Satan.

Plus 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Satan hindered Paul.

That’s kind of hard to do if he is currently bound, eh?

I believe that your understanding of Revelation chapter 20 is clouded by what you have been taught.

This witness of Matthew 12 to Revelation Chapter 20 helps show the TRUTH of this often-misunderstood chapter of the Bible. There Christ explains the binding of Satan, and who did it and WHY.

Matthew 12:29
  • "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

The pertinent questions here are:

#1. Who the Strong man is
#2. Who is He who seeks to spoil his house
#3. What is this House, and
#4. what are the possessions of this strong man that he wanted to spoil (seize or take by conquest)

Understanding this you will comprehend why God says that FIRST he had to bind him. If you come to understand that parable, you'll answer your own question. Or rather, God will answer it for you if you receive it, Selah.

Now...the Kingdom of God was never established to make all the whole world righteous, that is the error of Premillennialism and also to a degree of Postmillennialism. The Kingdom of God is in fact the prevailing influence in how the church runs their lives. It never was, and never will be the prevailing influence of how the "world" runs their lives. They are two separate and "distinct" Kingdoms, which are adversarial to one another. Keep in mind that Satan was not bound for the world's sake, Satan was bound for the elect of the Kingdom of Heaven's sake. For the world, Satan is still the god of this world, working through the unsaved and goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. For the true believers, he has no more power over us. His power over us has been broken. It is because Christ as spoiled us from the bondage of Satan! Christ has wounded the head of this Beast for us. Not for the world.

John 17:9
  • "I pray for them: I pray not for the world but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."
Yes, Satan has been evil to the world and have been attacking God's People over the years. Killing and doing all manner of evil, this has always been the case, and always will be as long as we are on this sin cursed earth! It does NOT mean that Satan was not bound. It means that Satan was not bound "for the unsaved world whom God has not choosen to save," Because, they are unsaved world whom Satan rules over, thus he is god of this world.
 
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According to Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is to be bound after the events of Revelation 19... in which the Lord takes the beast and the false prophet and casts them alive into a lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

That takes place after the Tribulation.
It looks like you just assume that what is described in Revelation 20 chronologically follows what is described in Revelation 19. Do you think the entire book is chronological? Clearly, what is described in Revelation 12 does not follow what is described at the end of Revelation 11 chronologically, right? So, why assume that what is described in Revelation 20 has to chronologically follow what is described in Revelation 19?

There are several passages of scripture which indicate that all of the wicked will be killed when Christ returns, such as 2 Peter 3:3-13, 1 Thess 5:1-6, 2 Thess 1:7-10, Matt 24:35-39 and Revelation 19:11-21 (verse 18 in particular). Why do you interpret Revelation 20 in such a way that contradicts all these other passages?
 
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Yes, it does.

What's more, Satan is released for a season to go out and deceive the nations that will be ruled by the Lord from Jerusalem, surround the camp of the saints and fire will come down from Heaven and devour them.

Then the Judgment takes place.
After that, there will be new heavens and a new earth.

All this can be readily found in the Scriptures.
So, you believe that people who had just spent 1000 years with Jesus in all His glory on the earth will think that they can go up against Him in Jerusalem and defeat Him? They would somehow not be aware that defeating Him would be impossible?
 
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The misunderstanding by many is, that it is not the new earth... but the last 1,000 years of the old one ruled by the Lord Jesus Christ before it all gets burned up and a new one ( with the New Jerusalem come down from Heaven ) is created for His saints to live on for all eternity.

The new earth will contain none of what you have described in the negative, my friend.:)
Peter taught that the new earth will be burned up at the second coming of Christ, not 1,000+ years later.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Notice here that the context of what Peter was writing about in 2 Peter 3 is in relation to the second coming of Christ and how people in the last days would be scoffing at the idea of His coming.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Notice that Peter then indicates that these scoffers are willingly ignorant of the fact that the earth was flooded by water in the past and, in the same vein, will be destroyed by fire in the future. This is something he was saying in relation to the scoffers, so the fire he mentioned here that would destroy the heavens and the earth would be coming down on those scoffers and other unbelievers.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Here Peter indicates that while it may seem like a long time for Christ to return, it's not a long time to God. And God will wait patiently for the right time because He first wants as many people to repent as possible before Christ returns.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Peter hasn't changed subjects here. He is still talking about the second coming of Christ. Remember in verse 7 he indicated that in the future fire would be coming down on the earth instead of water like in the past. In verses 10-12 he expands on that fiery destruction while showing that it will be global and will burn up everything.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

In this verse Peter indicates that despite all the fiery destruction that he had just wrote about, we, according to the promise of His coming, look forward to new heavens and a new earth. He clearly was saying that the new heavens and new earth would be what would result from the promise of His coming, not some 1000 year earthly kingdom.

This passage from 2 Peter 3 simply cannot be reconciled by premillennialism. The fiery destruction described clearly will come down on the scoffers and other ungodly people that Peter mentioned. But premil doesn't even have the fire coming down on those scoffing at the second coming of Christ. It has the fire coming down 1000+ years later, but that is completely out of context.

I've seen premils try to reconcile this passage with their view and fail miserably many times. Would you like to try?
 
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Peter taught that the new earth will be burned up at the second coming of Christ, not 1,000+ years later.
I'm sorry, but I disagree.
Notice here that the context of what Peter was writing about in 2 Peter 3 is in relation to the second coming of Christ and how people in the last days would be scoffing at the idea of His coming.
Agreed.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Notice that Peter then indicates that these scoffers are willingly ignorant of the fact that the earth was flooded by water in the past and, in the same vein, will be destroyed by fire in the future. This is something he was saying in relation to the scoffers, so the fire he mentioned here that would destroy the heavens and the earth would be coming down on those scoffers and other unbelievers.
Read it again, closely.

It says that the scoffers are willingly ignorant of the fact that the heavens and earth were created by God and that a great flood overflowed it.
It also says that the heavens and earth, in existence now, by the same word that created it are kept in store...reserved unto fire against the day of Judgment.

That Judgment takes place after the 1,000 years are over;
But fire comes down on some of those same scoffers at the end of that 1,000 years.

See Revelation 20:7-10.
 
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Here Peter indicates that while it may seem like a long time for Christ to return, it's not a long time to God.
I agree.
And God will wait patiently for the right time because He first wants as many people to repent as possible before Christ returns.
I'm sorry, but again I disagree.

Salvation is not a cooperative effort between men and God, and He's not waiting for "as many to repent as possible";
He's waiting for all of His elect to be born and to be called into the fellowship of the saints...
For the fullness of the Gentiles to come in so that He can then send His Son to earth the second time.
 
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Peter hasn't changed subjects here. He is still talking about the second coming of Christ. Remember in verse 7 he indicated that in the future fire would be coming down on the earth instead of water like in the past. In verses 10-12 he expands on that fiery destruction while showing that it will be global and will burn up everything.
Amen, and I agree.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

In this verse Peter indicates that despite all the fiery destruction that he had just wrote about, we, according to the promise of His coming, look forward to new heavens and a new earth.
Again I agree.
He clearly was saying that the new heavens and new earth would be what would result from the promise of His coming, not some 1000 year earthly kingdom.
And you get all that of of just 2 Peter 3:13, all by itself?
I disagree.

This passage alone and by itself gives me hope that He is coming again, and I also look for the new heavens and the new earth.
Yet, the prophecies in Zechariah, Ezekiel and Micah have yet to be fulfilled.
 
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This passage from 2 Peter 3 simply cannot be reconciled by premillennialism. The fiery destruction described clearly will come down on the scoffers and other ungodly people that Peter mentioned. But premil doesn't even have the fire coming down on those scoffing at the second coming of Christ. It has the fire coming down 1000+ years later, but that is completely out of context.
I respect your opinion, but, yet again, I disagree.
That same fire can and will come down and devour the armies that surround Jerusalem ( the camp of the saints ) at the end of the 1,000 years.

See Revelation 20:7-10.

The Scriptures are clear, at least to me.
 
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