Adventists-Bible does not prohibit all alcohol.

Taodeching said:

How does one not get fat when eating gets us fat?

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Drinking is not eating and eating does not get us drunk.

LoveGodsWord said:

Drinking is not eating and eating does not get us drunk.

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You didn't answer the question. Yours is not an answer though I never expected one. Drinking doesn't get anyone drunk anymore then eating gets us fat, it's when we lose control is the problem. Christ created wine and drunk with sinners, and no it was not grape juice it was booze, and Paul said to take some wine for the stomach. When you say no one should drink your going against God, unless of course you don't think the Bible is the infallible inerrant Word of God

fatherforgivethem said:

Just a quick off-topic question:

Do SDA think that all Christians that don't follow the Sabbath/4th commandment are going to hell when Jesus returns?

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No. There are many who have not even heard of it. The problem lies in when someone is convicted that it is true---but they refuse to observe it because of inconvenience or other factor. The point is then who will they follow, God or man? That is between them and God. We can lie to everyone, including 0urselves---we can not lie to God, He knows our hearts, He knows when we are convicted by the Holy Spirit and refuse to obey. No one else can determine that. It will only be a point of contention when it is made a law that we must worship on Sunday. Then it's obedience to either God or man.

Taodeching said:

You didn't answer the question. Yours is not an answer though I never expected one when someone judges others so easyily

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For me I judge no one it is the Word of God that is our judge and that will be our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48. Jesus tells us to judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment in John 7:24. Paul says there is none righteous, no, not one in Romans 3:10 so how do we judge righteous judgement? God tells us in Isaiah 45:19 I, the Lord, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright. Therefore it is only through the Word of God that we can know righteous judgement and Gods 10 commandments are the very standard of what righteousness is according to Psalms 119:172. So if we hear God's Word and feel condemned by it then it should a warning to us that God's Spirit is helping us to know His Word and is leading us back to God if we do not harden our hearts to hearing believing and following what it says *John 16:8; John 6:63; John 17:17; John 8:31-32. We should all pray we do not harden our hearts to hearing and seeing Gods' Word when it is shared with us lest we find ourselves fighting against God.

LoveGodsWord said:

For me I judge no one it is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48. Jesus tells us to judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment in John 7:24. Paul says there is none righteous, no, not one in Romans 3:10 so how do we judge righteous judgement? God tells us in Isaiah 45:19 I, the Lord, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright. Therefore it is only through the Word of God that we can know righteous judgement and Gods 10 commandments are the very standard of what righteousness is according to Psalms 119:172. So if we hear God's Word and feel condemned by it then it should a warning to us that God's Spirit is helping us to know His Word and is leading us back to God if we do not harden our hearts to hearing believing and following what it says *John 16:8; John 6:63; John 17:17; John 8:31-32

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Of course you do and hide because yo can't admit your shortcomings. Your hiding behind Scripture so you don't have to give a real answer. Scripture never says that one drinks to get drunk you did, you did the unjust judging no one else.

Obviously not. Jesus not only drank wine, as did all people of that time and place, but also used it in instituting the most holy sacrament of His Church.

tall73 said:

I am claiming you should not get drunk at all. And if someone is a drunkard they should repent.



A lot of folks have just a drink on a special occasion with no desire to get drunk. And the Bible texts support that some festive occasions had alcohol.

But as I said, I am quite happy for no one to drink. But if someone does drink and not get drunk, that is still biblical.

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It's certainly possible to have a glass of wine or a beer with food (key thing, slows down absorption) enjoy it, but not have it get you drunk.
When people talk about drinking "in moderation" that is what it SHOULD mean, that you're a person who, on occasion (not every day or even holding to a regular pattern) has an alcoholic beverage, maybe two over the course of multiple hours, socially, without getting intoxicated.

If someone is drinking enough to get intoxicated, that's not moderation. That's excess, that is alcohol abuse. That's being a drunkard.
But our world twists it and makes it think like drinking 4-5 beers in a row on an empty stomach twice a week is "moderation" because at least it's not every day, or at least they're not drinking to the point of puking, that's a college student's definition of "moderation" and it's absolutely not moderation at all.

tall73 said:

The Bible does not prohibit all alcohol. It does prohibit becoming drunk.

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There's even arguments on that, more prohibiting habitual drunkenness

LoveGodsWord said:

How does one drink not to get drunk when drinking gets us drunk and how do we define drunk?

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I occasionally have a glass of wine in the evening. And I cook with wine. Doing that doesn't get me drunk.

I believe conscience plays a part in such decisions like it does with our choice of foods. If someone is convinced they shouldn't drink at all then they shouldn't.

tall73 said:

Usually just those who have heard of the issue. So you would now be included.

Satan is the sharpest critic that the world has ever known, and he works to hinder and pervert truth. He has induced men to strive to change the Sabbath of the fourth commandment. Under his dictation the first day of the week has been adopted by the Christian world as the Sabbath. He has used his masterly mind to influence other men to adopt the same views that he himself entertains. But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}


Also, some statements are taken to indicate that Sabbath was not a test until a certain point.

I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation of Jesus in the holy place was finished and He had passed within the second veil; therefore Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened into the most holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month, 1844, and who had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope; for they had not the light and the test on the Sabbath which we now have since that door was opened. I saw that Satan was tempting some of God's people on this point. Because so many good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith and have not kept the true Sabbath, they were doubting about its being a test for us now. Early Writings Chapter 7.

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I suppose this is a topic for another thread. But is this actual doctrine? After reading this it sounds to me that any Christian since 1844 who doesn't observe the Saturday Sabbath can't be saved. Really?

tall73 said:

Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental belief #22

https://szu.adventist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/28_Beliefs.pdf

We are called to be a godly people who think, feel, and act in harmony with biblical principles in all aspects of personal and social life. For the Spirit to recreate in us the character of our Lord we involve ourselves only in those things that will produce Christlike purity, health, and joy in our lives. This means that our amusement and entertainment should meet the highest standards of Christian taste and beauty. While recognizing cultural differences, our dress is to be simple, modest, and neat, befitting those whose true beauty does not consist of outward adornment but in the imperishable ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit. It also means that because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well. Instead, we are to engage in whatever brings our thoughts and bodies into the discipline of Christ, who desires our wholesomeness, joy, and goodness. (Gen. 7:2; Exod. 20:15; Lev. 11:1-47; Ps. 106:3; Rom. 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; 10:31; 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1; 10:5; Eph. 5:1-21; Phil. 2:4; 4:8; 1 Tim. 2:9, 10; Titus 2:11, 12; 1 Peter 3:1-4; 1 John 2:6; 3 John 2.)


Historic Stand for Temperance Principles | Adventist.org

The Seventh-day Adventist Church reaffirms its historic stand for the principles of temperance, upholds its policies and programs supporting Article 21 of the Fundamental Beliefs, and calls upon each member to affirm and reveal a life commitment to abstinence from any form of alcohol and tobacco and irresponsible use of drugs.

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The Bible does not prohibit all alcohol. It does prohibit becoming drunk.

The Bible warns against the deceptiveness of wine and strong drink because of the possibility of becoming drunk.

The Bible in some situations forbids drinking alcohol (the priest while going into the sanctuary, someone taking a Nazirite vow, advises against kings drinking, etc.).

However, some texts make plain alcohol was not always forbidden.


Deu 14:22 “You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year.
Deu 14:23 And before the LORD your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God chooses, to set his name there,
Deu 14:25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses
Deu 14:26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.
Deu 14:27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.
Deu 14:28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns.
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.

Isa 25:6 On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.
Isa 25:7 And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations.
Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the LORD has spoken.

1Ti_5:23 (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)

Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’
Luk 7:34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
Luk 7:35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”


The one taking a Nazirite vow would separate himself from wine and strong drink for a time. But then would got back to it afterwards. Wine is distinguished from juice of grapes in the text.


Num 6:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Num 6:2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the LORD,
Num 6:3 he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.
Num 6:4 All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins.
Num 6:5 “All the days of his vow of separation, no razor shall touch his head. Until the time is completed for which he separates himself to the LORD, he shall be holy. He shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long.
Num 6:6 “All the days that he separates himself to the LORD he shall not go near a dead body.
Num 6:7 Not even for his father or for his mother, for brother or sister, if they die, shall he make himself unclean, because his separation to God is on his head.
Num 6:8 All the days of his separation he is holy to the LORD.
Num 6:9 “And if any man dies very suddenly beside him and he defiles his consecrated head, then he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it.
Num 6:10 On the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two pigeons to the priest to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:11 and the priest shall offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned by reason of the dead body. And he shall consecrate his head that same day
Num 6:12 and separate himself to the LORD for the days of his separation and bring a male lamb a year old for a guilt offering. But the previous period shall be void, because his separation was defiled.
Num 6:13 “And this is the law for the Nazirite, when the time of his separation has been completed: he shall be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:14 and he shall bring his gift to the LORD, one male lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, and one ram without blemish as a peace offering,
Num 6:15 and a basket of unleavened bread, loaves of fine flour mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers smeared with oil, and their grain offering and their drink offerings.
Num 6:16 And the priest shall bring them before the LORD and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering,
Num 6:17 and he shall offer the ram as a sacrifice of peace offering to the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread. The priest shall offer also its grain offering and its drink offering.
Num 6:18 And the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the entrance of the tent of meeting and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire that is under the sacrifice of the peace offering.
Num 6:19 And the priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when it is boiled, and one unleavened loaf out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite, after he has shaved the hair of his consecration,
Num 6:20 and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. They are a holy portion for the priest, together with the breast that is waved and the thigh that is contributed. And after that the Nazirite may drink wine.
Num 6:21 “This is the law of the Nazirite. But if he vows an offering to the LORD above his Nazirite vow, as he can afford, in exact accordance with the vow that he takes, then he shall do in addition to the law of the Nazirite.”

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I grew up in a "no alcohol" church. This passage pretty much settled it for me. It's basically directions of when to use alcohol. If you will, it's actually a commandment.

Proverbs 31:6 Give strong drink to him who is ready to perish; and wine to the bitter in soul: 7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

tall73 said:

The Bible does not prohibit all alcohol. It does prohibit becoming drunk.

The Bible warns against the deceptiveness of wine and strong drink because of the possibility of becoming drunk.

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I noted you used the word "becoming"

An online dictionary defines "becoming" as: ....the process of coming to be something .....

"becoming" refers to a process. It is my belief, (always has been), that the Bible not only condemns drunkeness but also condemns the process of becoming drunk. In Ephesians 5:18 Paul said be not drunk with wine wherein is excess. The verb "drunk" in the Greek is an inceptive verb. Vine's says of this inceptive verb "signifies to make drunk, or to grow drunk (an inceptive verb, marking the progress of the state expressed in No. 1), to become intoxicated" (page 343)". Young's Analytical Concordance says of this "Do not begin to be softened".

Therefore drunkness is NOT a destination point one eventually reaches but a progression or process. Paul therefore is saying do not start the process of becoming drunk. The beginning point, the inception point of the process of drunkeness is the first drink...taking the first drink is beginning the process which, again, is what Paul is condemning. I do not see Christ ever hypocritically violating His own NT or encouraging His disciples to violate His NT. So drunkeness is not a point one reaches after having 7 or 8 (or whatever number) of drinks but a process beginning with the first drink.
I can claim I am not drunk until I have 8 drinks. Next weekend I can claim I am not drunk until I have 10 drinks. By changing the number of drinks it takes for me to be "drunk" I am fundamentally changing the meaning of drunkeness. By simply changing how many drinks it takes for me to be "drunk" I can always claim I am not drunk no matter how many drinks I have. Yet the Bible starts with the first drink.

It might can be argued that, in similar fashion, the NT does not only condemn the physical act of adultery but also the process one goes thru (lust of the eyes, lusting in the heart, coveting in the heart something that belongs to someone else) in reaching the physical act.

It can be that the process one goes through (plotting, lusting, drinking, etc) in going about to commit a sin is just as sinful as committing the actual sin (murder, adultery, drunkeness).

(I'm not a SDA)

I look at alcohol as an unnecessary indulgence. Much like going to McDonald's because you love the fries or are craving a Big Mac. Being hooked on a temporary feeling is not a good thing, because it leads to addiction.

There are qualities we should aspire to as Christians. Drinking alcohol isn't one of them.


I was known to toss back a couple beers after work, in my day, but I made a conscious decision to abstain from drinking alcohol as a devout Christian. As I sit here right now typing this, I have a crisper full of beer that just sits there. I also have a couple bottles of local wine. I don't drink it. Most of it is years old and was purchased before I came back to Christianity (2016).

I have to agree with LoveGodsWord on this. At what point is it considered to be drunkenness? Regardless of how much you think you can handle, the effects are fairly immediate. You start to feel it right away, after the first sips.

I don't drink anymore, because I can't have it in my Christian life. I was addicted to coffee, to beer, to fast food and so many other things.

I think we all should evaluate the things in our lives that we don't think about, but are indeed barnacles and undergrowth on the good ship Christian, which only serve to slow us down in our daily walk. Any intoxicating thing is dangerous to a Christian's walk.

This gives me a segway into the drunkenness mentioned in Revelation.


See the definition for nations, which points to multitudes and peoples, but specifically, Gentile Christians.

As God's people, His church, across all denominations and peoples, we are the bride. Jesus is our bridegroom. This symbology makes perfect sense when we take into account the fornication with the harlot of Babylon.

The harlot of Babylon causes the bride to fall away into fornication before the marriage supper, thereby betraying the bridegroom and being shut out of the marriage (see The Parable of the Marriage Feast and The Parable of the Ten Virgins).

Just how could this happen? The changing of times and laws (Sabbath to Sunday, et al) as was prophesied, along with the coming to power of a false church system (little horn; Daniel 7:8, Daniel 7:23-25/the beast that rises out of the sea; Revelation 13:1-10) and the acceptance of false worship.

This same power (little horn; beast of the sea) will work in concert with another power (the beast that rises out of the earth; Revelation 13:11-18) to cause all of the earth to receive the mark who worship the beast or his image (Revelation 14:9, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 16:2, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:4).

Just what is an image of the beast? Daniel 2, the great image, which symbolized the idolatry of the kingdoms. Exodus 20:4-6, a graven image. Idolatry. But how is a false worship day idolatry? It's false worship, thereby falling into the definition of bowing down and serving (worshiping) any thing that is not of God specifically; again, Exodus 20:4-6.

The complete system of false worship is already in place, but it's not being enforced—yet. Sunday is widely (not narrowly; Matthew 7:13-14) accepted as the day of worship, which should give pause to any Christian.

And so, drunkenness, in its various forms, is something we should avoid as Christians. Whether it be physical drunkenness or spiritual drunkenness. Our minds should be clear, not clouded, if we are to rightly divide the truth and be sober and watch.

tall73 said:

Seventh-day Adventist Fundamental belief #22

https://szu.adventist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/28_Beliefs.pdf

We are called to be a godly people who think, feel, and act in harmony with biblical principles in all aspects of personal and social life. For the Spirit to recreate in us the character of our Lord we involve ourselves only in those things that will produce Christlike purity, health, and joy in our lives. This means that our amusement and entertainment should meet the highest standards of Christian taste and beauty. While recognizing cultural differences, our dress is to be simple, modest, and neat, befitting those whose true beauty does not consist of outward adornment but in the imperishable ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit. It also means that because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well. Instead, we are to engage in whatever brings our thoughts and bodies into the discipline of Christ, who desires our wholesomeness, joy, and goodness. (Gen. 7:2; Exod. 20:15; Lev. 11:1-47; Ps. 106:3; Rom. 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; 10:31; 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1; 10:5; Eph. 5:1-21; Phil. 2:4; 4:8; 1 Tim. 2:9, 10; Titus 2:11, 12; 1 Peter 3:1-4; 1 John 2:6; 3 John 2.)


Historic Stand for Temperance Principles | Adventist.org

The Seventh-day Adventist Church reaffirms its historic stand for the principles of temperance, upholds its policies and programs supporting Article 21 of the Fundamental Beliefs, and calls upon each member to affirm and reveal a life commitment to abstinence from any form of alcohol and tobacco and irresponsible use of drugs.

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The Bible does not prohibit all alcohol. It does prohibit becoming drunk.

The Bible warns against the deceptiveness of wine and strong drink because of the possibility of becoming drunk.

The Bible in some situations forbids drinking alcohol (the priest while going into the sanctuary, someone taking a Nazirite vow, advises against kings drinking, etc.).

However, some texts make plain alcohol was not always forbidden.


Deu 14:22 “You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year.
Deu 14:23 And before the LORD your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God chooses, to set his name there,
Deu 14:25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses
Deu 14:26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.
Deu 14:27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.
Deu 14:28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns.
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.

Isa 25:6 On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.
Isa 25:7 And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations.
Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the LORD has spoken.

1Ti_5:23 (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)

Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’
Luk 7:34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
Luk 7:35 Yet wisdom is justified by all her children.”


The one taking a Nazirite vow would separate himself from wine and strong drink for a time. But then would got back to it afterwards. Wine is distinguished from juice of grapes in the text.


Num 6:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Num 6:2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When either a man or a woman makes a special vow, the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the LORD,
Num 6:3 he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.
Num 6:4 All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, not even the seeds or the skins.
Num 6:5 “All the days of his vow of separation, no razor shall touch his head. Until the time is completed for which he separates himself to the LORD, he shall be holy. He shall let the locks of hair of his head grow long.
Num 6:6 “All the days that he separates himself to the LORD he shall not go near a dead body.
Num 6:7 Not even for his father or for his mother, for brother or sister, if they die, shall he make himself unclean, because his separation to God is on his head.
Num 6:8 All the days of his separation he is holy to the LORD.
Num 6:9 “And if any man dies very suddenly beside him and he defiles his consecrated head, then he shall shave his head on the day of his cleansing; on the seventh day he shall shave it.
Num 6:10 On the eighth day he shall bring two turtledoves or two pigeons to the priest to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:11 and the priest shall offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering, and make atonement for him, because he sinned by reason of the dead body. And he shall consecrate his head that same day
Num 6:12 and separate himself to the LORD for the days of his separation and bring a male lamb a year old for a guilt offering. But the previous period shall be void, because his separation was defiled.
Num 6:13 “And this is the law for the Nazirite, when the time of his separation has been completed: he shall be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,
Num 6:14 and he shall bring his gift to the LORD, one male lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, and one ram without blemish as a peace offering,
Num 6:15 and a basket of unleavened bread, loaves of fine flour mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers smeared with oil, and their grain offering and their drink offerings.
Num 6:16 And the priest shall bring them before the LORD and offer his sin offering and his burnt offering,
Num 6:17 and he shall offer the ram as a sacrifice of peace offering to the LORD, with the basket of unleavened bread. The priest shall offer also its grain offering and its drink offering.
Num 6:18 And the Nazirite shall shave his consecrated head at the entrance of the tent of meeting and shall take the hair from his consecrated head and put it on the fire that is under the sacrifice of the peace offering.
Num 6:19 And the priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when it is boiled, and one unleavened loaf out of the basket and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them on the hands of the Nazirite, after he has shaved the hair of his consecration,
Num 6:20 and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD. They are a holy portion for the priest, together with the breast that is waved and the thigh that is contributed. And after that the Nazirite may drink wine.
Num 6:21 “This is the law of the Nazirite. But if he vows an offering to the LORD above his Nazirite vow, as he can afford, in exact accordance with the vow that he takes, then he shall do in addition to the law of the Nazirite.”

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Thank God we are not under the law anymore.

I hardly ever drink, but Islam is the anti-alcohol religion, not Christianity.

"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
Paul counselled people to drink wine cause it's healthy for you. Now, some people will say that he meant to use wine only for medicinal purposes, like as a disinfectant when the good Samaritan poured oil and wine into the wounds of the poor guy who got accosted by thieves. But read the first part of the verse, "drink no longer water." You can take this to the extreme either way. He wasn't telling everybody to now only drink wine to quench your thirst instead of water. If that happened then everybody would be drunk all the time. He was simply telling us to drink wine with our evening meal instead of water because it's healthy for us. There's nothing unscriptural about drinking a glass or 2 of wine with your evening meal. It's only the excess that's the sin. To say Paul only meant for medicinal purposes is like saying we should eat an apple a day for medicinal purposes because apples are healthy for us.

ChetSinger said:

I suppose this is a topic for another thread. But is this actual doctrine? After reading this it sounds to me that any Christian since 1844 who doesn't observe the Saturday Sabbath can't be saved. Really?

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It's not just the Sabbath commandment. According to scripture, the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23, so any sin, which includes breaking the 4th commandment. We have an Advocate with Jesus who saved us from sin by His sacrifice, though repentance. True repentance requires us to turn away from sin and obey. Jesus even promises us the Holy Spirit to help us keep His commandments John 14:15-18. We obey God's commandment out of our love for Him. 1 John 5:3