Stanford study: Masks useless for Covid

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There's already tens of millions of person-years of safety data accumulated, at least for the mRNA vaccines. How much safety data do you need? As we can see from the reactions to the blood-clotting issues in the adenovirus vaccines, there are at least a dozen national public health departments around the world that are being hyper-vigillant about safety issues.

Yet, none of the people have had the vaccine in their system for over a year, or had booster shots which will be necessary as the protection the vaccine offers expires.

50 million people with the shot in their system for 3 months tells us very little about the impact to those people a year later, not to mention multiple years later.

What are the studies that have shown the impact of cumulative shots, which will be required as the effectiveness of the first rounds of shots wear out?

The safety issues they're being "hyper-vigilant" about are ones that show up immediately or short term, not long term effects.

You do recall opioids being approved by the FDA and widely recommended and used. Yet 20 years later, those producing and marketing the FDA are being held accountable for their negligence then.

Yes, i'm aware of the potential long term effects of Covid. I can mitigate those risks by not engaging in activities or behaviors that increase my exposure. Getting the vaccine reduces the risks of getting Covid in the short term. You resume susceptibility to Covid 6-12 months later, and again subject to the same risks (or additional risks that have not yet been measured) with each subsequent round of boosters.

I've known many who experienced side effects from the shots (usually on the 2nd shot), getting sick (how sick varied widely) for 1-2 days. Is being sick from vaccination 2-4 days a year the solution? Certainly, getting sick 2-4 days a year is better than being on a respirator, but i know dozens of people who've gotten sick 1-2 days from the shot (symptoms ranging from fever, headaches, vomiting, intense body aches), while i know slightly more than a handful of people that have had serious cases of Covid.

I'm not suggesting that people choosing to take the vaccine are foolish. They have made a risk determination and chosen the path that they believe provides them the least risk. I do, however, think that those, such as yourself, who continue to be dismissive of risks and concerns relating to getting the vaccine do us all a disservice (just as i think those who push nonsense about "masks don't work" do us all a disservice).
 
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That’s a different topic. The question is, do masks prevent the spread?

And there’s more.

Mask Facts - The Model Health Show

It's not a different question at all.

How it spreads is the crux of the matter because that's what you're misunderstanding. The virus itself is transmitted by respiratory droplets meaning the size of viral cells is irrelevant if its mode of transport is itself too large to pass through masks.

Will masks stop every single infection? No, but the overwhelming evidence indicates that wearing a mask significantly reduces the spread.
 
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It's not a different question at all.

How it spreads is the crux of the matter because that's what you're misunderstanding. The virus itself is transmitted by respiratory droplets meaning the size of viral cells is irrelevant if its mode of transport is itself too large to pass through masks.

Will masks stop every single infection? No, but the overwhelming evidence indicates that wearing a mask significantly reduces the spread.
Is that the only way it’s transmitted?
 
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One theme we see in the resistors is basically this: Why is it so bad if I want to wait and see what happens?

This sounds reasonable but a case can be made that the situation we are in does not afford us such luxury - if I am in airplane plummeting earthward, this is not the setting in which I should question the reliability of the parachute offered to me.

It's a good thing that you're the only person living in that fantasy. The rest of us are attempting to deal with reality.
 
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The author of the study is biased. China totally eliminated a viral epidemic in a few weeks using face masks, PPP in the hospitals, distancing and quarantine. Ignorant Americans who believe in none of these things and refuse free vaccinations are part of the problem and economic downturn.

I'm glad to see that you have such faith in whatever claims are made by China. Taking care of peoples' human rights and well being is what China is known for. :rolleyes:
 
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Have you replicated the studies?

No? Then all youve got is the reputation of your source. Same as him.
I could just link to every study individually without the source. Would that help us to not get distracted by a website?
 
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I could just link to every study individually without the source. Would that help us to not get distracted by a website?
Absolutely, minus the website's own summary of the findings in each case. That could be very different.

I wont guarantee that I'll read it even then tho, rather than just taking the word of public health professionals. This whole endeavor is frankly way more hassle than just wearing a mask in the first place.
 
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Absolutely, minus the website's own summary of the findings in each case. That could be very different.

I wont guarantee that I'll read it even then tho, rather than just taking the word of public health professionals. This whole endeavor is frankly way more hassle than just wearing a mask in the first place.
Wear the mask. I’m not telling anyone not to.
 
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You wear specific masks when there's a risk of aerosols, e.g. using a high speed dental drill, intubation etc.
And what it protects from are much larger particles than transmitting a virus. Literally on the box of masks, they say they don't stop the spread of covid as a warning. Where I work I can read the boxes myself.
 
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And what it protects from are much larger particles than transmitting a virus. Literally on the box of masks, they say they don't stop the spread of covid as a warning. Where I work I can read the boxes myself.
Stop =/= reduce
 
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Is that your concern here? Whether I wear a mask?

You said, "This whole endeavor is frankly way more hassle than just wearing a mask in the first place."

Hammster is simply advising you to go ahead and do that then.
 
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You said, "This whole endeavor is frankly way more hassle than just wearing a mask in the first place."

Hammster is simply advising you to go ahead and do that then.
That doesnt really help us with the question of public health mandates tho, which I'm thinking is the real topic here.
 
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