Should I go to my sister's wedding?

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Kind of a long story...but I am having a bit of a dilemma on what to do.

Over two years ago was the last time I spoke with my sister (aside from email communications last year).

She was choosing to be sexually immoral with her boyfriend and although she knew exactly where I stood on the issue, she would bring things up to me, probably to see how I would react. I would gently admonish her and tell her it was wrong, but it was as if she wanted me to change my values for her. One time she even demanded I leave her apartment because she was angry I was against that sort of living. She would also come over to my house and brag about her immorality.

It came time for her to find another place, and she had decided to move in with her boyfriend. She chose not to disclose that to me, almost wanting it to be kept secret from me, but also at the same time not completely hiding the fact since her boyfriend told my husband about their plans when he went out to dinner with them one evening. So I think it was more or less that she was ashamed of what I would think than actually keeping it a true secret. Anyway...my grandmother wanted to know if she was moving in with him, because to her it was the obvious next step my sister would take. I didn't know at the time and told her that, but later when I knew for sure, I confirmed to my grandma that she was moving in with him. This is what set off the huge fight/no contact.

My sister was so angry with me for telling her secret to my grandmother. First off, it was not a secret...they were publicly living together and had already told others about it. And second, how could I be accused of releasing a secret that was supposed to be a secret kept from me? Again, it was her shame speaking. She didn't want my Christian grandmother with traditional values to think badly of her. She even accused me of publicly talking about her "sex life", just because I confirmed to my grandmother that she was going to live with her boyfriend...seeming to think public knowledge means intimate details. She was also the same person to come into my house and proudly tell me about a sexual act she had done that I had to swiftly tell her I did not want to hear about...so if anyone is talking openly about a sex life, it is her.

My sister has a long history of manipulation, narcisstic behavior, impulsiveness, projecting her faults onto others, causing fights, belittling others, seeking out the negative in people, just toxic qualities really. She has caused so much hurt in my life that it is really nice to have a break from the drama. Me, along with my husband, brother and grandparents have tried to be there for her and help her out by supporting her spiritually, emotionally, financially, etc. (her, my brother, and I come from a rather abusive family); she fails to see what we have done for her and accuses us of trying to control her life (when it was often quite the opposite, giving her so much space and even going for long periods without visiting when she lived next door and both her and I were busy with things). I would often let the cycle keep repeating of her causing a fight, then waiting until things settled down, and continuing the relationship until it happened again. Having to cut her off, while the most extreme measure, was the only way for healing to occur. I really do love my sister and I really wish it did not have to be like this! We're missing out on life events because of all of this nonsense.

I am not sure if she is a Christian or not. I know she used to call herself one, but I don't know if she does anymore. She had concerns about her boyfriend not following God, but then quickly got over it and seemingly accepted it.

Now she is engaged and wants me to be at her wedding. I want to do the right thing. I don't want to burn an olive branch, but I don't want to send the message that I am okay with her behavior and that going will somehow make her think things can be like they once were. If she truly is Christian, and is just fallen away for some time, I don't approve of a union where she would be with someone who would hinder her faith further (again, I am not sure where she stands). The Bible has verses about dusting your feet off and moving on when you cannot get through to a person, about not associating with those who call themselves Christians and choose to live in sin, to avoid them (not just the sexual immorality, but as 2 Timothy 3 states and describes her really well, the "slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power".

Do these verses indicate that I am not to associate with her, which includes going to her wedding?

I suppose the answer to this would be if she shows true repentance and change of character. She is trying to appear that she has changed (but really disproves it quickly), sends an "apology" that does not have the tone of someone repentant, along with telling me about some wrongs I have committed which were basically things she made up with examples of behavior she does to other people and said it was me. I even sent her a card and Christmas gift (before last year's email communications), to try to show her I still care, even though I have not wronged her. She returned it by mail back to me, telling me basically that I sent it out of smugness or false intentions.

To sum things up...of course I would love restored relationships, but I want to do what is RIGHT before God, which sadly sometimes means disassociating oneself from toxic people. How should I go about this? I don't want to send the wrong message of approval by going, but I don't want to do irreparable damage and possibly burn a bridge forever by not going!
 

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I believe those 'don't associate' verses apply only to if they're dragging you into sin too. If she's not, then that's not the issue. The issues are, do you want to attend the wedding & do you think attending the wedding tells her you approve of her lifestyle?

I think you need to let her know your concerns.
 
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...and that going will somehow make her think things can be like they once were.

Man, how I can relate to this, having a troublemaking younger sister who I have been very close to AND very estranged from. When my heart melts thinking about her I want to somehow connect but, as you noted, don’t want to open the door to same old same old.

Will pray for you!
 
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Kind of a long story...but I am having a bit of a dilemma on what to do.

Over two years ago was the last time I spoke with my sister (aside from email communications last year).

She was choosing to be sexually immoral with her boyfriend and although she knew exactly where I stood on the issue, she would bring things up to me, probably to see how I would react. I would gently admonish her and tell her it was wrong, but it was as if she wanted me to change my values for her. One time she even demanded I leave her apartment because she was angry I was against that sort of living. She would also come over to my house and brag about her immorality.

It came time for her to find another place, and she had decided to move in with her boyfriend. She chose not to disclose that to me, almost wanting it to be kept secret from me, but also at the same time not completely hiding the fact since her boyfriend told my husband about their plans when he went out to dinner with them one evening. So I think it was more or less that she was ashamed of what I would think than actually keeping it a true secret. Anyway...my grandmother wanted to know if she was moving in with him, because to her it was the obvious next step my sister would take. I didn't know at the time and told her that, but later when I knew for sure, I confirmed to my grandma that she was moving in with him. This is what set off the huge fight/no contact.

My sister was so angry with me for telling her secret to my grandmother. First off, it was not a secret...they were publicly living together and had already told others about it. And second, how could I be accused of releasing a secret that was supposed to be a secret kept from me? Again, it was her shame speaking. She didn't want my Christian grandmother with traditional values to think badly of her. She even accused me of publicly talking about her "sex life", just because I confirmed to my grandmother that she was going to live with her boyfriend...seeming to think public knowledge means intimate details. She was also the same person to come into my house and proudly tell me about a sexual act she had done that I had to swiftly tell her I did not want to hear about...so if anyone is talking openly about a sex life, it is her.

My sister has a long history of manipulation, narcisstic behavior, impulsiveness, projecting her faults onto others, causing fights, belittling others, seeking out the negative in people, just toxic qualities really. She has caused so much hurt in my life that it is really nice to have a break from the drama. Me, along with my husband, brother and grandparents have tried to be there for her and help her out by supporting her spiritually, emotionally, financially, etc. (her, my brother, and I come from a rather abusive family); she fails to see what we have done for her and accuses us of trying to control her life (when it was often quite the opposite, giving her so much space and even going for long periods without visiting when she lived next door and both her and I were busy with things). I would often let the cycle keep repeating of her causing a fight, then waiting until things settled down, and continuing the relationship until it happened again. Having to cut her off, while the most extreme measure, was the only way for healing to occur. I really do love my sister and I really wish it did not have to be like this! We're missing out on life events because of all of this nonsense.

I am not sure if she is a Christian or not. I know she used to call herself one, but I don't know if she does anymore. She had concerns about her boyfriend not following God, but then quickly got over it and seemingly accepted it.

Now she is engaged and wants me to be at her wedding. I want to do the right thing. I don't want to burn an olive branch, but I don't want to send the message that I am okay with her behavior and that going will somehow make her think things can be like they once were. If she truly is Christian, and is just fallen away for some time, I don't approve of a union where she would be with someone who would hinder her faith further (again, I am not sure where she stands). The Bible has verses about dusting your feet off and moving on when you cannot get through to a person, about not associating with those who call themselves Christians and choose to live in sin, to avoid them (not just the sexual immorality, but as 2 Timothy 3 states and describes her really well, the "slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power".

Do these verses indicate that I am not to associate with her, which includes going to her wedding?

I suppose the answer to this would be if she shows true repentance and change of character. She is trying to appear that she has changed (but really disproves it quickly), sends an "apology" that does not have the tone of someone repentant, along with telling me about some wrongs I have committed which were basically things she made up with examples of behavior she does to other people and said it was me. I even sent her a card and Christmas gift (before last year's email communications), to try to show her I still care, even though I have not wronged her. She returned it by mail back to me, telling me basically that I sent it out of smugness or false intentions.

To sum things up...of course I would love restored relationships, but I want to do what is RIGHT before God, which sadly sometimes means disassociating oneself from toxic people. How should I go about this? I don't want to send the wrong message of approval by going, but I don't want to do irreparable damage and possibly burn a bridge forever by not going!
If I had told my sister I approved of her and her boyfriend living together if married (which is basically what you did) I would support her/their decision by attending the wedding.
 
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Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you."

How did Jesus love us? He showed us grace when we repeatedly sinned against Him. He gives us chance after chance for reconciliation with Him. He gives us mercy and kindness when we least deserve it.

Your sister is finally marrying. The past is over. Despite her many shortcomings and all of your arguments, she wants you there for her special day. Out of a Christ-like spirit of reconciliation, I recommend that you go to the wedding graciously.
 
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Now she is engaged and wants me to be at her wedding. I want to do the right thing. I don't want to burn an olive branch, but I don't want to send the message that I am okay with her behavior and that going will somehow make her think things can be like they once were.
It would be a mistake not to attend. Being there does not send the wrong message. Most people would say that it doesn't send any particular message, unless it's that the ties of family are strong...as they should be.

But as for the religious aspect, if there is any message, it would be that you are happy for her as she turns her relationship into a real marriage, exactly what accords with the moral principles you've advocated.

And if you are still reluctant, thinking that all the circumstances do not add up to what God would want, the fact remains that this is not your life and your standing before God. Simply to be present at her ceremony, and to be kind towards her on that occasion, does not really amount to making a statement about all the details of what had gone on previously in her life.
 
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. I would gently admonish her and tell her it was wrong, but it was as if she wanted me to change my values for her.
Weren't you trying to get *her* to change her values for you, though?

See how the respect needs to go both directions?
 
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Go. Share her joy. She is coming out of her sin by getting married. Forgive her. Gods goodness to her can work now. How can you be a good influence if your not in her life. Stay gentle and kind but firm, that was good, but not condemning. You may not have much hope for her but she still has a chance at salvation. Marriage has its own trials. You could be there for her. It’s Gods goodness that helps us repent. If you don’t forgive her then maybe you hate her, if you don’t show her Gods love to you.
 
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There's been a lot of hurt along the way, but I think the criteria is whether you think there is the tiniest hope of some kind of reconciliation. Because if you don't go, you may well be shutting the door for a long, long time. If you can put the hurt aside for the day and in good conscience go on the basis of supporting their decision to do the right thing, that probably would be optimum.
 
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Weren't you trying to get *her* to change her values for you, though?

See how the respect needs to go both directions?
No, I was not trying to get her to change her values for me; I was trying to point her to what God says is righteous. There is not two truths, so there is no respect going in both directions. I was simply trying to tell her what the Bible says, not what *I* say.
 
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Man, how I can relate to this, having a troublemaking younger sister who I have been very close to AND very estranged from. When my heart melts thinking about her I want to somehow connect but, as you noted, don’t want to open the door to same old same old.

Will pray for you!
Thank you!
 
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If I had told my sister I approved of her and her boyfriend living together if married (which is basically what you did) I would support her/their decision by attending the wedding.
And that's the other thing...they've been engaged since last spring and aren't planning on being married until next spring, so it doesn't seem so much that she's trying to stop sinning and live righteously than it is that she just wants to go through the wedding ritual.
 
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Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you."

How did Jesus love us? He showed us grace when we repeatedly sinned against Him. He gives us chance after chance for reconciliation with Him. He gives us mercy and kindness when we least deserve it.

Your sister is finally marrying. The past is over. Despite her many shortcomings and all of your arguments, she wants you there for her special day. Out of a Christ-like spirit of reconciliation, I recommend that you go to the wedding graciously.
Thank you so much for your reply. I wish it were that simple that the past is over, but that would only be so if there were true repentance. My sister believes she can commit a lot of wrongs and hurt and that she can simply walk away from it all, with the people she wronged just forgetting and everyone moving on without her having to repent and change. Jesus extends grace to those who are sorry for their sin and want to follow Him. I really do hope she becomes saved and changes. I would absolutely forgive her and not hold grudges if I saw that she wanted to truly change her behavior; my dilemma is wanting a reconciliation but also not wanting the vicious cycle to start again.
 
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Kind of a long story...but I am having a bit of a dilemma on what to do.

Over two years ago was the last time I spoke with my sister (aside from email communications last year).

She was choosing to be sexually immoral with her boyfriend and although she knew exactly where I stood on the issue, she would bring things up to me, probably to see how I would react. I would gently admonish her and tell her it was wrong, but it was as if she wanted me to change my values for her. One time she even demanded I leave her apartment because she was angry I was against that sort of living. She would also come over to my house and brag about her immorality.

It came time for her to find another place, and she had decided to move in with her boyfriend. She chose not to disclose that to me, almost wanting it to be kept secret from me, but also at the same time not completely hiding the fact since her boyfriend told my husband about their plans when he went out to dinner with them one evening. So I think it was more or less that she was ashamed of what I would think than actually keeping it a true secret. Anyway...my grandmother wanted to know if she was moving in with him, because to her it was the obvious next step my sister would take. I didn't know at the time and told her that, but later when I knew for sure, I confirmed to my grandma that she was moving in with him. This is what set off the huge fight/no contact.

My sister was so angry with me for telling her secret to my grandmother. First off, it was not a secret...they were publicly living together and had already told others about it. And second, how could I be accused of releasing a secret that was supposed to be a secret kept from me? Again, it was her shame speaking. She didn't want my Christian grandmother with traditional values to think badly of her. She even accused me of publicly talking about her "sex life", just because I confirmed to my grandmother that she was going to live with her boyfriend...seeming to think public knowledge means intimate details. She was also the same person to come into my house and proudly tell me about a sexual act she had done that I had to swiftly tell her I did not want to hear about...so if anyone is talking openly about a sex life, it is her.

My sister has a long history of manipulation, narcisstic behavior, impulsiveness, projecting her faults onto others, causing fights, belittling others, seeking out the negative in people, just toxic qualities really. She has caused so much hurt in my life that it is really nice to have a break from the drama. Me, along with my husband, brother and grandparents have tried to be there for her and help her out by supporting her spiritually, emotionally, financially, etc. (her, my brother, and I come from a rather abusive family); she fails to see what we have done for her and accuses us of trying to control her life (when it was often quite the opposite, giving her so much space and even going for long periods without visiting when she lived next door and both her and I were busy with things). I would often let the cycle keep repeating of her causing a fight, then waiting until things settled down, and continuing the relationship until it happened again. Having to cut her off, while the most extreme measure, was the only way for healing to occur. I really do love my sister and I really wish it did not have to be like this! We're missing out on life events because of all of this nonsense.

I am not sure if she is a Christian or not. I know she used to call herself one, but I don't know if she does anymore. She had concerns about her boyfriend not following God, but then quickly got over it and seemingly accepted it.

Now she is engaged and wants me to be at her wedding. I want to do the right thing. I don't want to burn an olive branch, but I don't want to send the message that I am okay with her behavior and that going will somehow make her think things can be like they once were. If she truly is Christian, and is just fallen away for some time, I don't approve of a union where she would be with someone who would hinder her faith further (again, I am not sure where she stands). The Bible has verses about dusting your feet off and moving on when you cannot get through to a person, about not associating with those who call themselves Christians and choose to live in sin, to avoid them (not just the sexual immorality, but as 2 Timothy 3 states and describes her really well, the "slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power".

Do these verses indicate that I am not to associate with her, which includes going to her wedding?

I suppose the answer to this would be if she shows true repentance and change of character. She is trying to appear that she has changed (but really disproves it quickly), sends an "apology" that does not have the tone of someone repentant, along with telling me about some wrongs I have committed which were basically things she made up with examples of behavior she does to other people and said it was me. I even sent her a card and Christmas gift (before last year's email communications), to try to show her I still care, even though I have not wronged her. She returned it by mail back to me, telling me basically that I sent it out of smugness or false intentions.

To sum things up...of course I would love restored relationships, but I want to do what is RIGHT before God, which sadly sometimes means disassociating oneself from toxic people. How should I go about this? I don't want to send the wrong message of approval by going, but I don't want to do irreparable damage and possibly burn a bridge forever by not going!
Go to the wedding.
 
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No, I was not trying to get her to change her values for me; I was trying to point her to what God says is righteous
.....but that is your interpretation or opinion of what is in the Bible. We each should respect other's freedom to form their own values as we allow them to respect our own values. Remember what Jesus said to those who brought the woman they "caught" in adultery before Him?

IOW.....it's not up to us to judge.....but to love others. We can't do both simultaneously.
 
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I was simply trying to tell her what the Bible says, not what *I* say.
May I ask where you think the Bible says she was not "being righteousness" or was doing something "wrong"? Proverbs 6 is a handy summary. Do you see your sister's relationship depicted in this list?

Proverbs 6
16There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to Him:17haughty eyes,

a lying tongue,

hands that shed innocent blood,18a heart that devises wicked schemes,

feet that run swiftly to evil,19a false witness who gives false testimony,

and one who stirs up discord among family.​
 
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Thank you so much for your reply. I wish it were that simple that the past is over, but that would only be so if there were true repentance. My sister believes she can commit a lot of wrongs and hurt and that she can simply walk away from it all, with the people she wronged just forgetting and everyone moving on without her having to repent and change. Jesus extends grace to those who are sorry for their sin and want to follow Him. I really do hope she becomes saved and changes. I would absolutely forgive her and not hold grudges if I saw that she wanted to truly change her behavior; my dilemma is wanting a reconciliation but also not wanting the vicious cycle to start again.
But if she wants a good marriage, she'll have to change at least some of that stuff.

That, and the conservative thing to do if you've been sleeping with your partner is to marry that partner.

I think you should stand in approval of this positive change in direction for your sister. She may or may not change, if she does the marriage will be part of why, and if she doesn't, she will lose something that she at least seems to love right now. If we presume she actually loves this man and wants the relationship to succeed, the "help" she would get is returning to the good values that she seems to have abandoned in the first place. Supporting the marriage will be congruent with the repentance that you want to see in her life. And since you represent those values, you'll have more leverage with her if you go to the wedding and support this decision, as opposed to having zero leverage which you have right now.
 
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