Stanford study: Masks useless for Covid

Larnievc said:

Some doctors happily advise people to take alternative pseudoscience treatment options.

Doctors can be just as wedded to their pet beliefs in spite of what research and evidence suggests.

I got rid of one of my old GPS when he advised acupuncture. Magic has no place in medicine.

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I'm not talking about pet beliefs, I'm talking about anaphylaxis. I'm not taking that risk with my kids, not yet anyway.

expos4ever said:

One theme we see in the resistors is basically this: Why is it so bad if I want to wait and see what happens?

This sounds reasonable but a case can be made that the situation we are in does not afford us such luxury - if I am in airplane plummeting earthward, this is not the setting in which I should question the reliability of the parachute offered to me.

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Oh good grief. Less than than 1 percent mortality rate does not equal an airplane plummeting to the ground.

topher694 said:

My children are allergic to the traditional flu shots and tamiflu. Anaphylactic allergic. I am SO utterly sick of this type of nonsense. I thought when the vaccine got here people would get it and calm down. Now all I see is severely ramped up pressure for everyone to get in line and do their duty otherwise they "don't care for their neighbor" or "may well kill someone". I am NOT going to play games with my kids lives and I am so sick of others pressuring me to do so. Where is the compassion for them? I shouldn't have to explain their medical history every time I talk to someone. This compassion card is nothing but complete utter virtue signaling hogwash. You want to play games with your family's lives go for it, but leave mine and others alone.

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It is for your kids and all the other people who cannot be vaccinated that the recommendation is everyone should wear a mask, and social distance. Since we cannot get some people to be compassionate enough to do this small thing (masking up), I have no hope enough will get vaccinated to make enough of a difference.

Homebound is the new normal for the immune-compromised, indefinitely. Non-maskers have stated those people are simply not to leave home, period. Many folks cannot be bothered to even attempt to help protect those less fortunate by simply putting a mask on. Such a simple thing to wear a mask, but it is just too much effort for many.

Masking up or distancing to protect someone else is either too much a bother or an infringement on their rights to infect/harm/kill others.

whatbogsends said:

People advocating that "everyone NEEDS to take the vaccine" are focusing on short term impacts of the pandemic, and completely ignoring any potential long term side effects that this new type of vaccine might produce.

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This is not a fair critique. I, and no doubt others, have repeatedly pointed out that the long-term effects of the pandemic also are relevant - there is very real concern about the long-term effects of getting covid. And these need to be evaluated against your concern about long-term effects of the vaccine.

You guys repeatedly do this - intentionally or otherwise, you re-frame the problem in misleading ways.

renniks said:

Oh good grief. Less than than 1 percent mortality rate does not equal an airplane plummeting to the ground.

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1 % translates to 1.5 million people dead in the USA if 50% get covid.

I will not tire of pointing this out whenever this misleading figure of 1% is tossed out.

expos4ever said:

This is not a fair critique. I, and no doubt others, have repeatedly pointed out that the long-term effects of the pandemic also are relevant - there is very real concern about the long-term effects of getting covid. And these need to be evaluated against your concern about long-term effects of the vaccine.

You guys repeatedly do this - intentionally or otherwise, you re-frame the problem in misleading ways.

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We re-frame the problem in misleading ways?

Says the guy who compares not taking the vaccine to not using a parachute in a plummeting airplane.

expos4ever said:

1 % translates to 1.5 million people dead in the USA if 50% get covid.

I will not tire of pointing this out whenever this misleading figure of 1% is tossed out.

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Your metaphor still doesn't fit. A real plague would kill at least 50 percent.

And the vaccine is not that effective anyway. Plus we have yet to see if it has long term issues.

whatbogsends said:

As another poster pointed, out, masks also reduce the viral load that you get when you are exposed, so while it may not prevent you from getting Covid, it can help reduce the severity of infection due to a lower initial viral load.

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Just to be even-handed, I completely agree and applaud you for providing, relevant, supportable statements.

topher694 said:

I'm not talking about pet beliefs, I'm talking about anaphylaxis. I'm not taking that risk with my kids, not yet anyway.

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I trust you keep your kids underground to protect them meteorites as well?

One of the screening questions for everybody having their jabs is one about allergies.

As if that even needs to be stated.

whatbogsends said:

People advocating that "everyone NEEDS to take the vaccine" are focusing on short term impacts of the pandemic, and completely ignoring any potential long term side effects that this new type of vaccine might produce. It's not as if undiscovered, undisclosed or misrepresented side effects are something new with regard to products put forth by pharmaceutical companies.

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There's already tens of millions of person-years of safety data accumulated, at least for the mRNA vaccines. How much safety data do you need? As we can see from the reactions to the blood-clotting issues in the adenovirus vaccines, there are at least a dozen national public health departments around the world that are being hyper-vigillant about safety issues.

topher694 said:

I'm not talking about pet beliefs, I'm talking about anaphylaxis. I'm not taking that risk with my kids, not yet anyway.

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A very reasonable position when there is a history of that, which I'm pretty sure you have already mentioned.

All the more reason for those who do not face that dilemma or others like it to get vaccinated.

Larnievc said:

I trust you keep your kids underground to protect them meteorites as well?

One of the screening questions for everybody having their jabs is one about allergies.

As if that even needs to be stated.

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What does that even have to do with anything I said?

whatbogsends said:

We re-frame the problem in misleading ways?

Says the guy who compares not taking the vaccine to not using a parachute in a plummeting airplane.

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Good point, 300 people die in a plummeting plane, a paltry 1.5 million would die from Covid.

My bad.

Astroqualia said:

Facial hair, boogers, and actual dripping spit down via gravity into an open wound is entirely different than particulates that even when aerosolized, can go right between the fibers of the mask.

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You wear specific masks when there's a risk of aerosols, e.g. using a high speed dental drill, intubation etc.

Hammster said:

Since masks don’t work, no problem.

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They do work.

Do you not know how Covid-19 is spread?

Hammster said:

I do. And they don’t work.

Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.

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How does Covid-19 spread then?