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True,but we had a different Attorney General back then.Should have been done at the start of this.
There was a Barr against justice there.True,but we had a different Attorney General back then.
If they wanted to do something meaningful, they'd probe all police procedures rather than focus on a regionally-specific department that happened to be the subject of a high-profile case.
Makes me think they're singling out one particular department to appease some folks rather than looking at the issue at a macro-level.
Looking at US policing at the macro level may be a big task.
According to Wikipedia there are around 18,000 separate police agencies in the US. This proliferation may itself be part of the problem.
Law enforcement operates primarily through governmental police agencies. There are 17,985 U.S. police agencies in the United States which include City Police Departments, County Sheriff's Offices, State Police/Highway Patrol and Federal Law Enforcement Agencies.OB
From: Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia
Probing one department and publishing the findings has an effect on the procedures at other departments.If they wanted to do something meaningful, they'd probe all police procedures rather than focus on a regionally-specific department that happened to be the subject of a high-profile case.
Makes me think they're singling out one particular department to appease some folks rather than looking at the issue at a macro-level.
Based on the testimony at trial, it looks like the department did not have racist tendencies and had internal systems in place to maintain quality policing. We say officers testify against a fellow officer and the Police Chief clearly state department policies that appeared to be reasonable and without favoritism. Even the prosecuting and defense attorneys had nothing to say that indicated anything improper in the procedures of the department or that there was any systemic racism evident. Functionally when departments get adverse attention from the Feds people start becoming much more concerned about protecting themselves than protecting the public. This has proven in the past to be counter productive when it comes to reducing crime and protecting minority communities.
Looking at US policing at the macro level may be a big task.
According to Wikipedia there are around 18,000 separate police agencies in the US. This proliferation may itself be part of the problem.
Law enforcement operates primarily through governmental police agencies. There are 17,985 U.S. police agencies in the United States which include City Police Departments, County Sheriff's Offices, State Police/Highway Patrol and Federal Law Enforcement Agencies.OB
From: Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia
Based on the testimony at trial, it looks like the department did not have racist tendencies and had internal systems in place to maintain quality policing. We say officers testify against a fellow officer and the Police Chief clearly state department policies that appeared to be reasonable and without favoritism. Even the prosecuting and defense attorneys had nothing to say that indicated anything improper in the procedures of the department or that there was any systemic racism evident. Functionally when departments get adverse attention from the Feds people start becoming much more concerned about protecting themselves than protecting the public. This has proven in the past to be counter productive when it comes to reducing crime and protecting minority communities.
If you bothered to read the article, you would know that discriminatory practices is only one of the three issues that the AG will be probing. The other two being excessive use of force and treatment of people with behavioral disabilities.Based on the testimony at trial, it looks like the department did not have racist tendencies and had internal systems in place to maintain quality policing. We say officers testify against a fellow officer and the Police Chief clearly state department policies that appeared to be reasonable and without favoritism. Even the prosecuting and defense attorneys had nothing to say that indicated anything improper in the procedures of the department or that there was any systemic racism evident. Functionally when departments get adverse attention from the Feds people start becoming much more concerned about protecting themselves than protecting the public. This has proven in the past to be counter productive when it comes to reducing crime and protecting minority communities.
We can respectfully agree to disagree. I believe that the facts of this case would have come to light. There were officers who had serious questions, there were responding first responders medics who had serious questions, internal investigations would have sorted this out and it would have been up to the DA to decide if charges should be made. I think the proof for this is the witnesses at the trial.After a year Minneapolis Police department can say whatever they want, truth is the department is broken just like every other police department in the country, after Mr. Floyd died, the department put out a report saying
“He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.”
Only reason we are here today because a concern citizen took video. If not it would have been a story of “another black man violated police order and died from drug overdose.”
Nothing there that the department itself is not or cannot address without the help of the Feds. It would appear that the department is trying to do the job the way it should be done. The proper values are in effect.If you bothered to read the article, you would know that discriminatory practices is only one of the three issues that the AG will be probing. The other two being excessive use of force and treatment of people with behavioral disabilities.
If they wanted to do something meaningful, they'd probe all police procedures rather than focus on a regionally-specific department that happened to be the subject of a high-profile case.
Makes me think they're singling out one particular department to appease some folks rather than looking at the issue at a macro-level.
We can respectfully agree to disagree. I believe that the facts of this case would have come to light. There were officers who had serious questions, there were responding first responders medics who had serious questions, internal investigations would have sorted this out and it would have been up to the DA to decide if charges should be made. I think the proof for this is the witnesses at the trial.
Forgive me if I'm unwilling to take the word of an internet rando with an agenda on this one.Nothing there that the department itself is not or cannot address without the help of the Feds. It would appear that the department is trying to do the job the way it should be done. The proper values are in effect.
Looking at US policing at the macro level may be a big task.
Probing one department and publishing the findings has an effect on the procedures at other departments.