When did the Mission to Spread the Gospel Start?

Douggg said:

The messiah's death cannot be after the beginning of the 70th week. And the text does not say after the beginning of the 70th week, messiah will be cutoff.

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It says AFTER the 69 (7 + 62) weeks. So, it had to be during the 70th week, assuming that the 70th week would begin when the 69th week ends, which makes sense.

If you try to claim that the 70th week didn't begin when the 69th week ended then you have to conclude that Jesus wasn't crucified during any of the 70 weeks. That certainly isn't a reasonable conclusion.

Disregard

Spiritual Jew said:

It says AFTER the 69 (7 + 62) weeks. So, it had to be during the 70th week, assuming that the 70th week would begin when the 69th week ends, which makes sense.

If you try to claim that the 70th week didn't begin when the 69th week ended then you have to conclude that Jesus wasn't crucified during any of the 70 weeks. That certainly isn't a reasonable conclusion.

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No, since it impossible that the messiah could have been cut off after the beginning of the 70th week because of the destroying of the temple and city factor. And that the text does not say that the messiah will be cutoff after the beginning of the 70th week - do you know what means?

It means that there is gap between the messiah cutoff and the beginning of the 70 week.

Douggg said:

No, since it impossible that the messiah could have been cut off after the beginning of the 70th week because of the destroying of the temple and city factor. And that the text does not say that the messiah will be cutoff after the beginning of the 70th week - do you know what means?

It means that there is gap between the messiah cutoff and the beginning of the 70 week.

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It means that you don't have the Messiah being cut off during any of the 70 weeks since He was cut off after the 69th week and you deny that the 70th week immediately followed it. But, clearly, His death and resurrection have a lot to do with the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27, so it makes no sense to not place His death within any of the 70 weeks.

Spiritual Jew said:

But, clearly, His death and resurrection have a lot to do with the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27, so it makes no sense to not place His death within any of the 70 weeks.

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Amen.
Without the shedding of his blood there is no Atonement and no baptism in the Holy Spirit.
It is Finished.

Spiritual Jew said:

It means that you don't have the Messiah being cut off during any of the 70 weeks since He was cut off after the 69th week and you deny that the 70th week immediately followed it. But, clearly, His death and resurrection have a lot to do with the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27, so it makes no sense to not place His death within any of the 70 weeks.

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The messiah arrives - gap - the 70th week begins in the end times.

Douggg said:

The messiah arrives - gap - the 70th week begins in the end times.

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Would you agree that Christ's death and resurrection are crucial to the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 week prophecy? If so, why do you not have His death and resurrection occurring during any of the 70 weeks?

Douggg said:

The messiah arrives - gap - the 70th week begins in the end times.

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Atonement has already been achieved ,so the 70th must have already begun.

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“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.


Heb 9
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Spiritual Jew said:

Would you agree that Christ's death and resurrection are crucial to the fulfillment of Daniel's 70 week prophecy? If so, why do you not have His death and resurrection occurring during any of the 70 weeks?

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The messiah's resurrection is not found in Daniel 9.

jeffweedaman said:

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“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

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21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

You left out a word. "the" vision. Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9. Daniel referred to Gabriel when he first encountered Garbiel at an earlier time recorded in Daniel 8 in the time of the end vision of the little horn. The 70th week is time of the end, and involves the little horn.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

When Jesus Christ commanded His apostles, the first leaders of the one Church He founded, to "go forth and make disciples of all peoples".

Douggg said:

The messiah's resurrection is not found in Daniel 9.

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I didn't say that it was specifically mentioned. I'm saying that the things mentioned in Daniel 9:24 could not be fulfilled without His death and resurrection. Do you disagree? Such as making atonement for iniquity. Would there be atonement for iniquity if Christ did not rise from the dead?

Spiritual Jew said:

I didn't say that it was specifically mentioned. I'm saying that the things mentioned in Daniel 9:24 could not be fulfilled without His death and resurrection. Do you disagree? Such as making atonement for iniquity. Would there be atonement for iniquity if Christ did not rise from the dead?

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Since the prince who shall come is still future, and that Jesus's death and resurrection have certainly taken place, then the fulfillment of all of Daniel 9:24 cannot be fulfilled until the time of the end - 2000 years after Jesus's first coming.

Ezekiel 39 is still unfulfilled.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

Douggg said:

Since the prince who shall come is still future, and that Jesus's death and resurrection have certainly taken place, then the fulfillment of all of Daniel 9:24 cannot be fulfilled until the time of the end - 2000 years after Jesus's first coming.

Ezekiel 39 is still unfulfilled.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

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Why do you have such a hard time answering questions? Do you believe that Christ's death and resurrection were necessary to fulfill at least part of Daniel 9:24? If so, then doesn't that mean His death and resurrection would need to occur within one of the 70 weeks? Of course it does.

Yet, you don't have His death occurring during the 70th week. And it says He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week. So, this means you don't have His death and resurrection occurring during any of the 70 weeks despite the fact that His death and resurrection are vital to the fulfillment of at least some of the things prophesied in Daniel 9:24 that were given 70 weeks to fulfill.

Douggg said:

The messiah arrives - gap - the 70th week begins in the end times.

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Heb 9 defines it differently .

The consummation of the ages began with his first coming when he dealt with sin, iniquity and transgression through his cross. When he comes a second time He has no need to deal with sin...,

but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.