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Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Verse 16 makes it crystal clear that the interpretation of verses 9-11, for example, is found somewhere after verse 16. Where then is the interpretation of verses 9-11 if it's not verse 22? So how is that some ppl claim that verses 9-11 are meaning once Christ has returned in the end of this age, but that verse 22 is meaning a time during the first century or maybe even earlier? Doesn't verse 22 chronologically follow verse 21? And if verse 21 involves the same little horn beast that is given to the burning flame in Daniel 7:11, and that Daniel 7:11 is meaning in the end of this age once Christ returns, it is then nothing but nonsensical to interpret verse 22 to be involving a time in the first century. Where is it that some ppl learn to reason these things in an inconsistent manner like this? And then they expect you to trust that they are correct about these things, regardless that their manner of interpreting, in this particular case, doesn't involve any coherent consistency.
It's simple, whatever period of time Daniel 7:9-11 is involving, so is Daniel 7:22 involving that same period of time.
And to go one step further, whatever period of time Daniel 7:9-11 and Daniel 7:22 are referring to, so is the following referring to that same period of time---And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4). That is pretty much word for word what it says in Daniel 7:22---and judgment was given to the saints of the most High.
Would anybody argue that the 'them' meant in Revelation 20:4 is not meaning the saints of the most High? Revelation 20:4 involves thrones, and so does Daniel 7:22 according to Daniel 7:9. Revelation 20:4 involves judgment being given to someone, and so does Daniel 7:22. Daniel 7:22 involves the time has come that the saints possessed the kingdom. And so does Revelation 20:4---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Clearly meaning after the beast is given to the burning flame.
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Revelation 20:4). This is already in the past when the martyrs lived again and begin reigning with Christ a thousand years. That means that the beast has to ascend out of the pit and cause their martyrdom before the thousand years even begin. So how is that some claim we are already in the thousand years? Why doesn't that agree with any of the above I have submitted?
Some argue that Daniel 7:9-11 is referring to the great white throne judgment. But if I am correct about all of the above, how could it be if it involves the beginning of the thousand years instead? The great white throne judgment is clearly after the thousand years, not prior to it or during it instead.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Verse 16 makes it crystal clear that the interpretation of verses 9-11, for example, is found somewhere after verse 16. Where then is the interpretation of verses 9-11 if it's not verse 22? So how is that some ppl claim that verses 9-11 are meaning once Christ has returned in the end of this age, but that verse 22 is meaning a time during the first century or maybe even earlier? Doesn't verse 22 chronologically follow verse 21? And if verse 21 involves the same little horn beast that is given to the burning flame in Daniel 7:11, and that Daniel 7:11 is meaning in the end of this age once Christ returns, it is then nothing but nonsensical to interpret verse 22 to be involving a time in the first century. Where is it that some ppl learn to reason these things in an inconsistent manner like this? And then they expect you to trust that they are correct about these things, regardless that their manner of interpreting, in this particular case, doesn't involve any coherent consistency.
It's simple, whatever period of time Daniel 7:9-11 is involving, so is Daniel 7:22 involving that same period of time.
And to go one step further, whatever period of time Daniel 7:9-11 and Daniel 7:22 are referring to, so is the following referring to that same period of time---And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4). That is pretty much word for word what it says in Daniel 7:22---and judgment was given to the saints of the most High.
Would anybody argue that the 'them' meant in Revelation 20:4 is not meaning the saints of the most High? Revelation 20:4 involves thrones, and so does Daniel 7:22 according to Daniel 7:9. Revelation 20:4 involves judgment being given to someone, and so does Daniel 7:22. Daniel 7:22 involves the time has come that the saints possessed the kingdom. And so does Revelation 20:4---and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Clearly meaning after the beast is given to the burning flame.
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Revelation 20:4). This is already in the past when the martyrs lived again and begin reigning with Christ a thousand years. That means that the beast has to ascend out of the pit and cause their martyrdom before the thousand years even begin. So how is that some claim we are already in the thousand years? Why doesn't that agree with any of the above I have submitted?
Some argue that Daniel 7:9-11 is referring to the great white throne judgment. But if I am correct about all of the above, how could it be if it involves the beginning of the thousand years instead? The great white throne judgment is clearly after the thousand years, not prior to it or during it instead.
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