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tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

God being one is a cornerstone of the Faith, how do you perceive this to be controversial?

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 20, 2021

I thought Christianity is known to be monotheistic. Who teaches otherwise?

tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

We are doing well, thank you.

God is one as the Creed says:
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

One Triune God, a mystery to be sure, but One God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

To believe otherwise would be heterodox, or worse.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

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tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

AubreyM said:
@tampasteve Hey thank you for the creed. I dont personally subscribe to man-made creeds but that is cool.

Thing is though, the Creed is based on solid theology and scripture. Agreement to the theology of the Creed is what defines someone as a Christian here, and generally in the Church.

The verses about Jesus being less than the Father are not really about what I believe you think they mean. Here is a pretty good explanation:

During the incarnation, Jesus was temporarily “made lower than the angels” (Hebrews 2:9), which refers to Jesus’ status. The doctrine of the incarnation says that the second Person of the Trinity took on human flesh. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, Jesus was fully human and “made lower than the angels.” However, Jesus is fully divine, too. By taking on human nature, Jesus did not relinquish His divine nature—God cannot stop being God. How do we reconcile the fact that the second Person of the Trinity is fully divine yet fully human and by definition “lower than the angels”? The answer to that question can be found in Philippians 2:5-11. When the second Person of the Trinity took on human form, something amazing occurred. Christ “made himself nothing.” This phrase has generated more ink than almost any other phrase in the Bible. In essence, what it means is that Jesus voluntarily relinquished the prerogative of freely exercising His divine attributes and subjected Himself to the will of the Father while on earth.
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Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The “greatness” spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 20, 2021

The question "Is God one?" can be answered very easily with Isaiah 45:5, where God says:

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God."

We could stop here and think that's all we gotta say, but it doesn't say anything about Jesus. Is Jesus this one God Himself?

I believe Jesus to be God Himself, for the following reasons:

Look at Isaiah 9:5 for example where the Messiah is announced: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, [...], And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Mighty God! Jesus is the Messiah and the Messiah is God.
In Matthew 14:33 we read: "Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God"." Only the one true God may be worshipped in Jewish culture; the actions of the disciples prove that they had recognized that Jesus was God. And Jesus did not correct them or said "Do you not see that I am also just a mortal prophet? Don't worship me!" He accepted their worship because he knew that he was God in human form.
Jesus himself makes it very clear in John 8:58 where he says: "Very truly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I am!" And then we read: "At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." His audience understood what he was saying, but they didn't believe that he was God and took it as a reason to kill him. And also in John 10:30: "I and the Father are one." Again they want to stone him because he clearly says that he himself is God.
Another example is John 20:28-29. Thomas says to Jesus "My Lord and my God!", but instead of correcting him Jesus confirms it by saying "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
You may also take a look at Colossians 1:15-16 where Paul says that Jesus is the creator of the universe and at Titus 2:13-14 where Paul calls Jesus "our great God".
Oh and don't forget the powerful testimony of John: "In the beginning was the Word, …, and the Word was God. [...] The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." That's Jesus!

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

AubreyM said:
See that is the thing @tampasteve.

Do I believe what you are telling me, or do I believe what Jesus Christ is telling me, about God?

That is the thing though, it is not what I am telling you. It is how the scripture is to be interpreted in light of the rest of the body of scripture that points to the Trinity.

It is how the orthodox Church has interpreted the scriptures for millennia. Taking one verse or chapter on its own is never an advisable way to build a base theology and Christology.

What do you do?

Honestly? I would highly advise you to read more of Church history, the Early Church Fathers, and theology of the Cross and Trinity. I get the feeling you read the passages in scripture and kind of left it there, without really delving into the belief of the Trinity.

When trying to explain the trinity, a person has to go around and around with scripture twisting it ways that are impossible.

Not really, it just requires a little more effort to attempt to understand.

You tell that person anyway, if they have doubts about what they are being told, is truth or not?

Do you force them that if they do not accept it, they are not a true Christian?

I would not "force" anyone to hold a truth. But I would ask that the believe while learning more about the belief they are saying is not true. Healthy skepticism is good, but a good sceptic continues their investigation before leaving other options off the table. A good sceptic fully investigates their skepticism.

These are the questions against the creed you suggesting that I should believe in or accept -> When my acceptance will always lean on towards what Christ Jesus has stated and not what men has to say.

Especially when it comes down please note *Jesus Christ* and what he is saying -> and also agree with the other -> Scribe asking the question. In the scriptures of Mark which are seen here very plainly.

Who do you trust?

I trust in Christ and the scriptures. I know them to be true, I know the Creeds to be based on those same beliefs and scriptures. But I have also been around the horn from apostate to believer again.

I really would highly advise you to research the topic of the Trinity in detail before coming to conclusions that are, honestly, outside of orthodox Christianity - and outside of the agreements to be listed as "Christian" here.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

Der Alte · Apr 20, 2021

AubreyM said:
Check the scripture out, if you desire to.
Marks 12:
28 And one of the scribes having come near, having heard them disputing, knowing that he answered them well, questioned him, `Which is the first command of all?'
29 and Jesus answered him -- `The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;
30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength -- this [is] the first command;
31 and the second [is] like [it], this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; -- greater than these there is no other command.'
32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He;
33 and to love Him out of all the heart, and out of all the understanding, and out of all the soul, and out of all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as one's self, is more than all the whole burnt-offerings and the sacrifices.'
34 And Jesus, having seen him that he answered with understanding, said to him, `Thou art not far from the reign of God;' and no one any more durst question him.
What do you think about what Jesus has to say about God being One -> When it comes to answering this scribe that came and asked Yeshua -> Which is the first command of all?
In this section of scripture Jesus and the Scribe are talking about the Great Shema.
Do you believe in what the Lord Jesus Christ has to say about God?
Are the scribe and the Lord Jesus Christ are agreeing apparently about what the truth is when it comes down to their conversation?
Was Jesus Christ being deceptive?
Surely not.

I sense an anti-Trinitarian litany coming on.
Anti-Trinitarians endlessly squabble and bicker about words, used by Trinitarians, trying to express the nature of God, as revealed in scripture, e.g. Trinity,””triune,””person,""being,""entity,""substance,""essence,"”nature,””who," Hypostatic union," etc., etc., All words are inherently finite and imperfect, therefore these words, and/or any other words, are totally inadequate to describe God, the infinite, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. But the fact that human words are finite, limited and imperfect does not prove or disprove anything about the doctrine of the Trinity.
1. There is one God! The Father is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit. Numerous vss. e.g., John 6:27, Gal 1:1, Gal 1:3, Eph 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thess 1:1, 2 Tim 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17 et. al.
2. There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.

[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[2] Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1][/color], and the world knew him not.
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, [μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].

Isa 6:1
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple

[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence before the world was created.].
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
[19] Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever[Jesus called God]. Amen.
[20] 2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
[21] Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[22] Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[23] Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
[24] Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[25] Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever[God calls the Son, God]: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
[26] Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[27] Phi 2:6 Who, being [existing] in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[28] 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh[Jesus called God], is justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[29] 1 Tim 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ[Jesus called God], which is our hope;
[30] 1 Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;[The lamb is king of kings, Rev 17:14, Jesus is king of kings, Rev 19:16, God is Lord of Lords Deu 10:17]
[31] Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God];
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[32] 2 Pet 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God]:
[33] 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life[Jesus called God].
[34] Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17]: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
[35] Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17].
[36] Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 40:10].
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 44:6]

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Der Alte · Apr 20, 2021

[Previous post continued]

3. There is one God! The Holy Spirit is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Acts 5:3-4, Acts 28:25-27.
Scripture which identify the Holy Spirit as God

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

This passage, Act 5:3-4, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as God by equating lying to the H.S. with lying to God.

Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

This passage Act 28:25-27, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying the H.S. spoke words which were spoken by YHWH, in Isa 6:8-10, below.

Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, [יהוה/YHWH] saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [O.T. see יהוה/YHWH, Jer 31:33-34]

This passage, Heb 10:15-17, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying words spoken by YHWH, in Jer 31:33-34, below, were spoken by the H.S.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, [יהוה/YHWH] I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [O.T. יהוה/YHWH, Ps 95:10]
11[/b] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) [O.T. יהוה/YHWH, Deu 1:34-35]

This passage, Heb 3:7-11, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying words spoken by YHWH in Psa 95:10-11, and Deu 1:34-35, below, were spoken by the Holy Spirit.

Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I b][יהוה/YHWH vs. 6][/b]grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
Deu 1:34 And the LORD [יהוה/YHWH] heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying,
35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,

There is one God! The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, all three are called/ referred to as God, in scripture, but each has a distinct mind, will, and self; John 16:13, 1 Cor 12:11, Philippians 2:5, John 5:26, Rom 8:27, Matthew 26:39.

tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

I honestly believe that doing a deep dive to explore the Trinity would help you get closer to God. Desiring to know God, to understand Him, is important. One aspect of the Bible is as a Holy tool that explains God and His mystery, it is the story of God relating to Man - and man relating to God.

Knowing Him on a deeper level helps deepen the relationship. This does not have to mean sacrificing loving your neighbor or showing kindness. On the contrary, to really understand God is to understand love. To really dig into the scriptures to show what the Church teaches and believes helps us to relate to God, and one another, on another level.

Deeper studies point out the beauty of the scriptures and how they help to unfold the mystery of God, to show Him in all of His glory. Enjoy your walk, maybe use it to perhaps meditate on the idea that God is using this conversation that you started to know Him on a deeper level.

Finally, I really have to add this as I am an Administrator here, and I don't mean to sound heavy handed, but if you don't agree with the Creed or/and the Trinity, I need you to open a ticket in the Support Center to discuss some options with the Administrators and Advisors there. One must abide by the Creed and Trinity to use the "Christian" label on these forums. We have to "draw a line" somewhere, and this happens to be where.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

Oh no.

Disbandment.

You take care.

@tampasteve please close this thread.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

Dissimulated all my posting.

Though you have them all qouted.

-shrugs- It is funny though how human beings are and what they think.

Believe though @tampasteve getting closer to God requires day to day faith and trusting in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2BeholdHisGlory · Apr 20, 2021

AubreyM said:
Check the scripture out, if you desire to.

Marks 12:

28 And one of the scribes having come near, having heard them disputing, knowing that he answered them well, questioned him, `Which is the first command of all?'

29 and Jesus answered him -- `The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;

30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength -- this [is] the first command;

31 and the second [is] like [it], this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; -- greater than these there is no other command.'

32 And the scribe said to him, `Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He;

33 and to love Him out of all the heart, and out of all the understanding, and out of all the soul, and out of all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as one's self, is more than all the whole burnt-offerings and the sacrifices.'

34 And Jesus, having seen him that he answered with understanding, said to him, `Thou art not far from the reign of God;' and no one any more durst question him.

What do you think about what Jesus has to say about God being One -> When it comes to answering this scribe that came and asked Yeshua -> Which is the first command of all?

In this section of scripture Jesus and the Scribe are talking about the Great Shema.

Do you believe in what the Lord Jesus Christ has to say about God?

Are the scribe and the Lord Jesus Christ are agreeing apparently about what the truth is when it comes down to their conversation?

Was Jesus Christ being deceptive?

Surely not.

Jesus did not make up "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" or being deceptive Jesus is actually quoting one of the commandments written back in Deut 6:4 The scribe is just asking which is the first commandment of all and so Jesus recites what is already written from there. The man agrees with what Jesus said saying "Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" then Jesus says the scribe answered discreetly and told him he is not far from the Kingdom.

Likewise Jesus also said to them

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

There is one God, even the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ who come out from God and was made Lord by Him that sent him.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

To think he was being deceptive for quoting the commandment the scribe asked him for would be a little strange to think that way concerning it.

AubreyM · Apr 20, 2021

2BeholdHisGlory said:
Jesus did not make up "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" or being deceptive Jesus is actually quoting one of the commandments written back in Deut 6:4 The scribe is just asking which is the first commandment of all and so Jesus recites what is already written from there. The man agrees with what Jesus said saying "Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he" then Jesus says the scribe answered discreetly and told him he is not far from the Kingdom.

Likewise Jesus also said to them

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

There is one God, even the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ who come out from God and was made Lord by Him that sent him.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

To think he was being deceptive for quoting the commandment the scribe asked him for would be a little strange to think that way concerning it.

Very informative, thank you 2BeholdHisGlory.

One day, hope to be able to... teach the bible and not have any authority by men over me other than God and his authority. (Which doesn't give me myself authority at all -> Just a messenger a vessel for Christ Jesus and God to use before my death.)

Always glad to see your scripture post, 2Behold, thank you and take care.

To love is the only way. Which Christ Jesus shown by expressing the Nature of His Father through Jesus Christ and the life that Jesus chose to live, which was in obedience to the law, -> For the Love of God -> for the Love of others.

tampasteve · Apr 20, 2021

AubreyM said:
@tampasteve please close this thread.

When a moderator or Administrator is "in thread", as I am here, they are not allowed to issue Staff Actions or close threads, but I see you put in a request to make it so. I am sure another Moderator will be along shortly to take care of it for you.

AubreyM said:
Believe though @tampasteve getting closer to God requires day to day faith and trusting in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen, faith in Jesus Christ and day by day trying to emulate Him. Studying the scriptures and what they really mean, not just a superficial reading of one chapter taken on its own. Faith does not have to be blind, it can, and often should, be based on solid theology, which the Trinity is.

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