Saturday Sabbath vs Sunday The Lords Day....GO!

Der Alte · Apr 19, 2021

Saint Steven said:
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Saint Steven said:
Not so. The law was given to the Israelites alone through Moses.
Deuteronomy 5:3 NIV
It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.
John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

I think I need to call my cardiologist. I think I'm having a heart attack, you finally said something I agree with.

Nathan@work · Apr 19, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, which means it was his call. He was setting the law aside. Where there is no law, there is no transgression.

The most basic violation of Sabbath rest is to work on the Sabbath. What did Jesus say in his defense after being accused of breaking the Sabbath?

John 5:16-18 NIV
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Its passages like this that can give huge insight to those who do not understand Gods rest.

It just goes to show that God ‘rested’ from a particular ‘work’, not that He rested from all work.

Wish I had more time and was in front of a bigger screen to go into more detail.

Soyeong · Apr 19, 2021

Der Alte said:
Only if they join themselves to Israel. Did you as SDA join Israel and do you obey all the commandments in the OT? Pentecost, feast of trumpets, unleavened bread etc? Do you attend a synagogue or a SDA church? Do you have priests dressed as specified in the OT?

You notable did not interact with what I've said about the verses that you sited, but just asked me more questions. The New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel (Jeremiah 31:31), so it is only through Gentiles joining themselves to Israel through faith in Christ that Gentiles are able to partake in the New Covenant. Jesus taught how to obey the Mosaic Law both by word and by example, so Gentiles can look at what he taught and decide whether to become His follower, but can't become his follower while refusing to follow what he taught. I am not SDA, but do attend a synagogue.

Even when the law was first given to Israel, there was not a single person who was required to follow all of the laws, and not even Jesus followed the laws in regard to having a period or to giving birth. Some of the laws only governed the conduct of the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, those who are married, those who have servants, those who have animals, those who have crops, those with tzaraat, those who are living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them, while others govern the conduct of everyone. A number of laws have the clause "when you enter the land...", which were given to Israel while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so there is nothing wrong with following a law when it can't currently be followed. Likewise, when the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to God's law, which required them to have access to the temple that had been destroyed, so God honors is when we are nevertheless faithful to obey as much as we can.

Did Jesus ever specifically command His followers to observe the Sabbath and obey all the commandments in the OT?

Jesus began his ministry calling for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23) and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:!2-14). However, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he would have still taught full obedience to it by example even if he had said nothing, including keeping the Sabbath, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Jesus also taught how to keep the Sabbath holy through his interactions with the Pharisees on the topic.

Do you observe all the other commandments? When was the last time you observed a Passover seder, removed all leaven from your home and ate nothing with leaven for seven days? When you observe the Passover do you have the youngest male in your household ask "What is the meaning of this service?" And does the father quote the words in Ex 12:27

Exodus 12:26-27
26 And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?
27 That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the LORD'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped.

Yes, I observe Passover every year.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 20, 2021

Saint Steven said:
I gave you the best two examples. He also implicates himself in the food gathering incident. Matthew 12, Mark 2, Luke 6.

Matthew 12:3 NIV
He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry?

Are you implying Jesus sinned? I'm not sure I'm following your point in regards to Jesus keeping God's Sabbath like He told us He did when He said He kept all of the commandments, which includes God's Sabbath command. Mathew 15:10

SabbathBlessings · Apr 20, 2021

Nathan@work said:
No, I never said or implied that the commandment applies to a "one time" obeying.

It is perpetual, as is His rest, just like any other commandment. The seventh day of creation was the day God rested and hallowed - He forever ceased the work of creation - He did not start creating again the next day.

You seem to be caught up in the weekly Sabbaths(plural) and not remembering the Sabbath(singular) day God rested.

Maybe this will help. You are married, as so am I.

I was married on January 20th, 2001.

Every year on January 20th we 'remember' the day we were married. Does it mean we get married each year? No, it is a day that we remember when we were married. Does it mean every January 20th is the same as the actual day we were married? No, we enjoy our marriage all year long.

The weekly Sabbaths were a remembrance of the actual day that God rested. The day God rested was the day He blessed and made holy. That is the day the commandment says to remember.

Now, God wanted them to remember that day in a specific manner. He wanted them to remember it by resting each week, on the seventh day of that week.

What we know, that they did not, is the Sabbath day of creation was pointing to the Messiah to come - and our rest in Him. This is what we learn from the book of Hebrews.

We now remember the Sabbath day of creation, keeping the 4th commandment, by resting from our works as God did His. Resting on the Sabbath day each week is not resting as God did because the next day you start the week all over again - God did not start creation all over again.

The 'law' of the ordinance in keeping the weekly Sabbath was to guard them, as were the other laws, until the fulness of time when Christ came. Now that Christ has come, we rest in Him - not in a day - we rest in His finished work.

Does that mean we cannot still 'remember' the Sabbath day of creation each week? Of course not! I still remember my wedding on the 20th of January. However, I can remember my wedding anytime, I do not have to wait till the 20th of January comes around.

There have been times over the years when we did not get to celebrate our wedding on the 20th. Does it change the fact we were married on that day if we celebrate it on the 21st or 19th? No!

Why? Because we love each other. We know it is not about the day that comes around once a year, it is not even about the actual day back in 2001 - it is about each and every single day we have with each other.

[Heb 4:1-2 ESV] Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.

I hope the message benefits you and you are united with it in Faith.

The Sabbath commandment is not Christ giving us rest. The Sabbath commandment is “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 This is the commandment. How do we keep God's Sabbath holy? We do not have to guess- Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

God's Sabbath is on the seventh day according to God. Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

The seventh day is Saturday and that happens every week.

God worked 6 days and told us to do all our work in days one-six as well. Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Does God need rest? No, He did that as an example for us which is why God clearly has defined His Sabbath commandment. Do all your work in six days, but the seventh day keep holy.

All this twisting and turning you are doing about God's holy Sabbath instead of just reading what is so plainly states. I don't think any amount of scripture is going to change your mind about God's Sabbath that He told us to Remember and keep holy, so we are at an impasse. For your sake I hope your right, because God was not happy when the Israelites profaned His Sabbath. The stories in the OT are not meant to be just stories, everything in the OT is there for a purpose, we are supposed to learn from it. Jesus often quoted from the OT and came to the earth not to do His will, but the will of His Father. John 6:38-46

Nathan@work · Apr 20, 2021

imge said:
The Sabbath commandment is not Christ giving us rest. The Sabbath commandment is “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 This is the commandment. How do we keep God's Sabbath holy? We do not have to guess- Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

God's Sabbath is on the seventh day according to God. Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

The seventh day is Saturday and that happens every week.

God worked 6 days and told us to do all our work in days one-six as well. Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Does God need rest? No, He did that as an example for us which is why God clearly has defined His Sabbath commandment. Do all your work in six days, but the seventh day keep holy.

All this twisting and turning you are doing about God's holy Sabbath instead of just reading what is so plainly states. I don't think any amount of scripture is going to change your mind about God's Sabbath that He told us to Remember and keep holy, so we are at an impasse. For your sake I hope your right, because God was not happy when the Israelites profaned His Sabbath. The stories in the OT are not meant to be just stories, everything in the OT is there for a purpose, we are supposed to learn from it. Jesus often quoted from the OT and came to the earth not to do His will, but the will of His Father. John 6:38-46

It is not twisting and turning. It is called realizing fulfillment.

You realize that we do not offer sacrifices on an altar anymore correct? The Bible plainly told Israel to do so, and does Paul ever tell believers not to? No, there is no commandment in the New Testament for believers to abstain from offering sacrifices.

But we know that it is not something we do. Why? Because Christ was what the laws concerning sacrifices pointed to. It is no different than the laws concerning the Sabbaths.

The commandment is to remember the Sabbath(singular) day of God. The day God rested. The laws concerning the observance of the Sabbaths(plural) were to remind them of that day God rested - and to point to our rest in Christ.

It is not complicated.

[Heb 4:9-11 ESV] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

Disobedience to the Sabbath command comes from not resting in Christ. What is rest in Christ? It is a rest of our works of righteousness - believing alone in His finished work of righteousness.

Our striving is not to follow the letter of the law, but to have Faith in Him alone. When you are striving to follow the letter of the law you are not resting in Him. The law is not of Faith.

You quote Isaiah 58:13 in how you believe the proper way to keep the commandment. Yet the very passage you quote you break. If you believe it speaks of the weekly Sabbath, do you do anything for yourself on that day? Do you find any self-pleasure on that day? Do you speak any of your own words on that day?

You do and you know you do. If even one word, thought, action - you break the very command you think you keep.

Will you say then, that it is not a matter of actually not breaking the commandment - but only trying not to break it? The law demands perfection.

[Jas 2:10 ESV] For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

SabbathBlessings · Apr 20, 2021

Nathan@work said:
It is not twisting and turning. It is called realizing fulfillment.

You realize that we do not offer sacrifices on an altar anymore correct? The Bible plainly told Israel to do so, and does Paul ever tell believers not to? No, there is no commandment in the New Testament for believers to abstain from offering sacrifices.

But we know that it is not something we do. Why? Because Christ was what the laws concerning sacrifices pointed to. It is no different than the laws concerning the Sabbaths.

The commandment is to remember the Sabbath(singular) day of God. The day God rested. The laws concerning the observance of the Sabbaths(plural) were to remind them of that day God rested - and to point to our rest in Christ.

It is not complicated.

[Heb 4:9-11 ESV] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

Disobedience to the Sabbath command comes from not resting in Christ. What is rest in Christ? It is a rest of our works of righteousness - believing alone in His finished work of righteousness.

Our striving is not to follow the letter of the law, but to have Faith in Him alone. When you are striving to follow the letter of the law you are not resting in Him. The law is not of Faith.

You quote Isaiah 58:13 in how you believe the proper way to keep the commandment. Yet the very passage you quote you break. If you believe it speaks of the weekly Sabbath, do you do anything for yourself on that day? Do you find any self-pleasure on that day? Do you speak any of your own words on that day?

You do and you know you do. If even one word, thought, action - you break the very command you think you keep.

Will you say then, that it is not a matter of actually not breaking the commandment - but only trying not to break it? The law demands perfection.

[Jas 2:10 ESV] For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

You have provided absolutely no scripture to back up any of your claims. The scripture you have quoted does not back up our claim, but actually disagrees with your claim.

The seventh day is the Sabbath day according to God. Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath Does that happen one time or does it happen every week? I see on my calendar the seventh day happens weekly.

You can believe as you wish, but it doesn't change God's Sabbath that He commanded us to keep holy each and every seventh day. We will have to disagree.

Nathan@work · Apr 20, 2021

imge said:
You have provided absolutely no scripture to back up any of your claims. The scripture you have quoted does not back up our claim, but actually disagrees with your claim.

The seventh day is the Sabbath day according to God. Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath Does that happen one time or does it happen every week? I see on my calendar the seventh day happens weekly.

You can believe as you wish, but it doesn't change God's Sabbath that He commanded us to keep holy each and every seventh day. We will have to disagree.

What about all the other Sabbaths mentioned in the law? They are Sabbaths also.

The seventh day of the week is when God wanted Israel to remember His Sabbath - the day He rested.

I am sorry you cannot see the plain truth of it. The commandment stands though. I hope one day you will see it.

As I have told LoveGodsWord, I cannot provide you any 'scripture' for something that is not in the Scriptures. In other words, I cannot provide you with anything that says "imge, you are misinterpreting the commandment". Why? Because you see what you want to see, and turn your eyes away from that what you do not want to see.

God's Sabbath Commandment - Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

No need to add anything to the commandment.

Der Alte · Apr 20, 2021

Saint Steven · Apr 20, 2021

imge said:
Are you implying Jesus sinned? I'm not sure I'm following your point in regards to Jesus keeping God's Sabbath like He told us He did when He said He kept all of the commandments, which includes God's Sabbath command. Mathew 15:10

Can you break a law that is abolished?

Der Alte · Apr 20, 2021

Soyeong said:
You notable did not interact with what I've said about the verses that you sited, but just asked me more questions. The New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel (Jeremiah 31:31), so it is only through Gentiles joining themselves to Israel through faith in Christ that Gentiles are able to partake in the New Covenant. Jesus taught how to obey the Mosaic Law both by word and by example, so Gentiles can look at what he taught and decide whether to become His follower, but can't become his follower while refusing to follow what he taught. I am not SDA, but do attend a synagogue.
Even when the law was first given to Israel, there was not a single person who was required to follow all of the laws, and not even Jesus followed the laws in regard to having a period or to giving birth. Some of the laws only governed the conduct of the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, those who are married, those who have servants, those who have animals, those who have crops, those with tzaraat, those who are living in the land, and those who are strangers living among them, while others govern the conduct of everyone. A number of laws have the clause "when you enter the land...", which were given to Israel while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so there is nothing wrong with following a law when it can't currently be followed. Likewise, when the Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to God's law, which required them to have access to the temple that had been destroyed, so God honors is when we are nevertheless faithful to obey as much as we can.
Jesus began his ministry calling for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23) and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:!2-14). However, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he would have still taught full obedience to it by example even if he had said nothing, including keeping the Sabbath, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Jesus also taught how to keep the Sabbath holy through his interactions with the Pharisees on the topic.
Yes, I observe Passover every year.

If you do observe all the commandments given to Israel, good for you. But I interpret the scriptures differently. If you do observe the Passover I am certain you do not follow all the procedures.
Exodus 12:3-16
3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
I think I quoted the scriptures I believe that Jesus is our Sabbath and our Passover. Everything prior to the advent of the savior was a shadow now that we have the reality we no longer need the shadow.
Romans 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
How many of these Holy days do you observe?
Rosh Hashanah. September 18 - 19. ...
Yom Kippur. September 28. ...
Sukkot. October 3 - 4. ...
Shemini Atzeret - Simchat Torah. October 10 - 11. ...
Hanukkah. December 11 - 18. ...
Tu B'Shevat. Januar 28, 2021. ...
Purim. February 26, 2021. ...
Passover. March 28 - April 4, 2021

Soyeong · Apr 20, 2021

Der Alte said:
If you do observe all the commandments given to Israel, good for you. But I interpret the scriptures differently. If you do observe the Passover I am certain you do not follow all the procedures.
Exodus 12:3-16
3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

The issue of whether followers of God should follow God is different from the issue of whether or not I happen to be following God correctly. If it happened that I was not, then that would just mean that I should repent and return to obedience through faith, not that we shouldn't follow what God has commanded in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

I think I quoted the scriptures I believe that Jesus is our Sabbath and our Passover. Everything prior to the advent of the savior was a shadow now that we have the reality we no longer need the shadow.

In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we no longer need to observe Passover, he concluded that we should therefore continue to keep it. Paul said that God's holy days are foreshadows of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by keeping them rather than by living in a way that denies what is to come by refusing to keep them. If you think that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, then you should live in a way that testifies about who he is by keeping the Sabbath holy rather than bearing false witness against who he is by refusing to keep it.

Romans 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

The topic of Romans 14 stated in the first verse is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as speaking against following God's commands, especially because Paul was a servant of God. There is a major distinction that should not be blurred in regard to what was said about following the opinions of men and what was said about following he commands of God, so you should not take the commands of God and insert them into what was only speaking about the opinions of men. Paul was not saying that we are free to commit murder, theft, adultery, idolatry, break the Sabbath, or disobey any of God's other commands just as long as we are convinced in our own minds that it is ok, but rather that was only said in regard to things that are disputable matters of opinion in which God has given no clear command. For example, in Romans 14:5-6, Paul spoke about eating or refraining from eating unto the Lord, so he was speaking about those who esteemed certain days for fasting as a matter of opinion. God has given no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century, and those who were choosing to fast as disputable matter of opinion were passing judgement on those who did not (Luke 18:12), and were in turn being resented, so it was exactly those sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell in this chapter. The reason that we are to keep the Sabbath holy is not because we saw on our own accord that the Sabbath is good to keep holy and formed our own opinion that it is something we should do, but rather we are to keep it holy because God blessed it, made it holy, commanded His followers to keep it holy, and because what is holy to God should not be profaned by man.

How many of these Holy days do you observe?
Rosh Hashanah. September 18 - 19. ...
Yom Kippur. September 28. ...
Sukkot. October 3 - 4. ...
Shemini Atzeret - Simchat Torah. October 10 - 11. ...
Hanukkah. December 11 - 18. ...
Tu B'Shevat. Januar 28, 2021. ...
Purim. February 26, 2021. ...
Passover. March 28 - April 4, 2021

I keep God's holy days.

Studyman · Apr 21, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Can you break a law that is abolished?

"The Way of the Lord" has always been "Abolished" by the religions of this world. The reason the Prince of this world quoted some of God's Word in the first place, was to convince Eve that God's Law was Abolished. "You shall surely not die".

I know scriptures don't hold up against religious philosophy very well. They didn't in Jesus Time when HE used them to expose the mainstream preachers of HIS Time, and they don't matter much in the face of mainstream religions today.

But still, we are told to use them to "test the spirits".

1 Cor. 9: 7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

This is 14 + years after Jesus Ascended to HIS Father. And Paul is still following God's Law that you, and most modern religions of this world, preach is abolished.

And not only is he following and teaching this Law of God, he is also telling us, by the Spirit of Christ, that this Commandment was written Specifically for "our", that is, New Covenant Believers, sake's.

In other words, Paul is saying this LAW, was "Made for man", NO DOUBT.

If this, the least of God's Commandments, was written for our sake's no doubt, and not abolished, then how much more the Sabbath of the Lord's Christ, that the Christ Himself said was also made "For man".

The Scriptures are clear that the Pharisees, and Levites corrupted and defiled many of God's instructions, including God's Sabbaths. They didn't believe that God gave His "Way" to mankind, "For their Sake's no doubt". The same spirit of this world continues to promote this falsehood that God's instruction for "our sake's no doubt" was a mistake and Jesus came to "abolish" them.

The Scriptures teach no such thing, only the spirit of this world.

Studyman · Apr 21, 2021

Nathan@work said:
It is not twisting and turning. It is called realizing fulfillment.

You realize that we do not offer sacrifices on an altar anymore correct? The Bible plainly told Israel to do so, and does Paul ever tell believers not to? No, there is no commandment in the New Testament for believers to abstain from offering sacrifices.

My goodness, what do you think Paul is speaking to in Rom. 3? What were the Sacrifices for? Atonement/Forgiveness Yes? Were they not "ADDED" because of Transgression? Were they not ADDED "Till the Seed should come"?

The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus had become the New High Priest of God, as Prophesied. They were still requiring these sacrificial "works of the Law" for cleansing, justification. You do know that Paul is speaking about the mainstream religion of his time, the Jews religion, in Roman's 3 don't you?

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the "deeds of the law".

Just as God promised in Jer. 31.

"For I will forgive their sins". No more taking an animal to the Levite Priest, these "works of the law" for atonement has become old and were ready to vanish. But the Pharisees were still promoting them, just as they did when Jesus walked the earth forgiving sins without performing these "works of the Law".

Zacharias knew, Simeon knew, Anna knew, because they were faithful to God. But the Pharisees didn't know because they transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. They taught for doctrines the Commandments of men.

But we know that it is not something we do. Why? Because Christ was what the laws concerning sacrifices pointed to. It is no different than the laws concerning the Sabbaths.

Jesus said that He was the Lord of the Sabbath of God, and HE also said God's Sabbath was made for man. He never said this about the sacrificial "works of the law" for atonement.

He was asked about this very thing.

Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which?

What Commandments? The command to take a goat to the Levite Priest as per the Levitical Priesthood which was "ADDED" because of transgressions "Till the SEED should come"?

No, Jesus told us "Which Commandments" we are to submit to.

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

These are the instructions of God located in Ex. 20 and Leviticus 19. There was no command given in either of these chapters regarding animal sacrifices. As the Scriptures say.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

The animal sacrifices for atonement was not "ADDED" until after Israel transgressed God's Commandments.

The animal sacrifices were instituted to atone for the SIN of defiling and polluting God's Commandments, including, but not limited to murder, making images of God, and polluting/defiling HIS Sabbaths. These "works of the Law" for atonement were to be in force Till the true Lamb of God shall come. Now that HE is our High Priest, we are to repent of these sins, and have Faith in HIS Blood for the forgiveness of same. No more justification by sacrificial "works of the Law (Levitical Priesthood) This is the message Paul was bringing to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 7-10 teaches the same thing, as did God through Samuel.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

God separated His Commandments, Statutes and Laws from the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" for atonement.

I think we should listen to HIM.

Nathan@work · Apr 21, 2021

Studyman said:
My goodness, what do you think Paul is speaking to in Rom. 3? What were the Sacrifices for? Atonement/Forgiveness Yes? Were they not "ADDED" because of Transgression? Were they not ADDED "Till the Seed should come"?

The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus had become the New High Priest of God, as Prophesied. They were still requiring these sacrificial "works of the Law" for cleansing, justification. You do know that Paul is speaking about the mainstream religion of his time, the Jews religion, in Roman's 3 don't you?

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the "deeds of the law".

Just as God promised in Jer. 31.

"For I will forgive their sins". No more taking an animal to the Levite Priest, these "works of the law" for atonement has become old and were ready to vanish. But the Pharisees were still promoting them, just as they did when Jesus walked the earth forgiving sins without performing these "works of the Law".

Zacharias knew, Simeon knew, Anna knew, because they were faithful to God. But the Pharisees didn't know because they transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. They taught for doctrines the Commandments of men.

Jesus said that He was the Lord of the Sabbath of God, and HE also said God's Sabbath was made for man. He never said this about the sacrificial "works of the law" for atonement.

He was asked about this very thing.

Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which?

What Commandments? The command to take a goat to the Levite Priest as per the Levitical Priesthood which was "ADDED" because of transgressions "Till the SEED should come"?

No, Jesus told us "Which Commandments" we are to submit to.

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

These are the instructions of God located in Ex. 20 and Leviticus 19. There was no command given in either of these chapters regarding animal sacrifices. As the Scriptures say.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

The animal sacrifices for atonement was not "ADDED" until after Israel transgressed God's Commandments.

The animal sacrifices were instituted to atone for the SIN of defiling and polluting God's Commandments, including, but not limited to murder, making images of God, and polluting/defiling HIS Sabbaths. These "works of the Law" for atonement were to be in force Till the true Lamb of God shall come. Now that HE is our High Priest, we are to repent of these sins, and have Faith in HIS Blood for the forgiveness of same. No more justification by sacrificial "works of the Law (Levitical Priesthood) This is the message Paul was bringing to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 7-10 teaches the same thing, as did God through Samuel.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

God separated His Commandments, Statutes and Laws from the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" for atonement.

I think we should listen to HIM.

And here is a perfect example of completely missing a post. lol

Seriously, it was a direct response to imge's post, so context is quite a bit.

I know why the animal sacrifices were instituted and know why they are not anymore. You do realize that the 'books' of the Bible, chapter, verse, are all our creation - not God's - right? They did not read from the scrolls and say, "well, Moses said this in this chapter, but not this other thing...."

They understood the law as a whole - all of it. It is called the Torah for a reason.

Not Torah part a, Torah part b, Torah part c....... Just "Torah".

My example is to make a point. That just because something is not written specifically about in the New Testament, does not mean we cannot understand the truth about it from the Old Testament - different than what the Old Testament directly says.

Another example is like what Paul says about the exodus;

[1Co 10:11 ESV] Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Does the Old Testament say "These things are happening to you for an example for people who will read about these things in the future"? No, it does not say that, but Paul knew that is what they were for.

So, we can learn a lot about the Sabbath/Lord's Day, what it is, how we observe it today, etc - even if there are no expressed commands in the New Testament writings. We do not just automatically say that it is to be kept the same way they did in the Old Testament writings.

Nathan@work · Apr 21, 2021

@Studyman let me ask you a question.

Do you feel it is unloving to meet with others on Sunday instead of meeting with them on Saturday?

Studyman · Apr 21, 2021

Nathan@work said:
And here is a perfect example of completely missing a post. lol

Seriously, it was a direct response to imge's post, so context is quite a bit.

I was responding to your words;

"No, there is no commandment in the New Testament for believers to abstain from offering sacrifices."

This is simply not true in any context. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

I know why the animal sacrifices were instituted and know why they are not anymore.

So did John the Baptist, and Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men. But the Pharisees didn't. They were still promoting justification by these sacrificial "works of the Law". That is why Paul spent so much time addressing their refusal to separate the Priesthood which was Prophesied to change, from God's commandments and Judgments which are eternal. Just because both the eternal Laws of God, and the Temporary Covenant God made with Levi are given in the Torah, doesn't mean the Priesthood can't end without abolishing God's Commandments and Judgments.

You do realize that the 'books' of the Bible, chapter, verse, are all our creation - not God's - right? They did not read from the scrolls and say, "well, Moses said this in this chapter, but not this other thing...."

i know there are religious men who don't believe God inspired the Bible, or is able to preserve HIS truth in the Holy Scriptures.

So we can have the discussion about the validity and truthfulness of the Scriptures another time. True or not, I am simply pointing out what it says for discussion. And the Holy scriptures clearly separate Levi, and the Covenant God gave to Levi on Israel's behalf, from the Covenant of Abraham God furthered on to Abraham's Children, AKA Children of Israel. "Which Covenant they broke". As Paul says; "It was ADDED (To God's Laws) because of Transgression, (Of God's Laws) Till the SEED should come. As Hebrews also points out.

Heb. 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

They understood the law as a whole - all of it. It is called the Torah for a reason.

Not Torah part a, Torah part b, Torah part c....... Just "Torah".

I never said it did any of this. But consider the implication of your religious philosophy here. Are you implying God didn't know Jesus would become His High Priest "After those days", when HE gave His Priesthood Covenant to Levi? And if HE did, then the "Order of Aaron" was Temporary to begin with. How is this not Biblical Truth?

I posted two scriptures, which are said to be inspired by the Christ, where God separated God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments, from the "ADDED" covenant HE made with Levi regarding sin offerings and sacrifices for atonement, found within the Levitical Priesthood. The Pharisees were not willing to acknowledge this separation because they had built their religion around, and created a religious business out of this Levitical Priesthood. If it became obsolete, as Prophesied, their entire religion, with their Temples and Shrines of Worship, and their preachers at the pulpit, and chief seats in their temples made with humans hands, and receiving Tithes and selling atonement animals would come crashing down. So instead of accepting the Scriptures, like John the Baptist, a true Levite Priest did, they worked to silence the Voice, just as they silenced the Prophets God sent before HIM.

Moses prophesied about the Christ, and commanded we should "listen to Him" when He comes. That's in the Torah. Jesus walked in all God's Commandments, including God's Sabbaths and is said to be sinless, which I believe. But HE never once dipped His Finger in the blood of a turtledove to sprinkle on the alter to forgive the sins, according to the "works of the law" of atonement, of those men HE cleansed. Why? Was it because HE was disobedient to the "Torah"? Or is it because you don't understand what the Torah taught, but Elizabeth and Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did?

My example is to make a point. That just because something is not written specifically about in the New Testament, does not mean we cannot understand the truth about it from the Old Testament - different than what the Old Testament directly says.

The Old Testament "directly" describes a Separation between the Commandments and Judgments of God, and the Sacrificial "works of the Law" for transgression of the same Commandments and Judgments of God. This separation was ignored by the mainstream preachers of Jesus time, and it is rejected by the mainstream preachers of our time, as your post implies.

I simply want to make known the Scriptures which confirm this Separation, so that we don't make the same fatal error the mainstream preachers of Jesus' Time made.

Another example is like what Paul says about the exodus;

[1Co 10:11 ESV] Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

Does the Old Testament say "These things are happening to you for an example for people who will read about these things in the future"? No, it does not say that, but Paul knew that is what they were for.

I'm not sure I can agree as the Law and Prophets is completely full of Prophesies, which, by it's very definition, is for a future time. Over and over the Law and Prophets speak of the "latter days" and "After those days" and "when you come into the land", etc., etc. How can you say the Old Testament didn't teach it was written for future generations? In fact, the New Covenant of the God of the Bible is just one of many events that were "written" for the admonition of future generations. Paul is just confirming a truth that the entire Torah and the Prophets were written for us, at this time. Hard not to see this truth in the Old Testament where Paul found it.

So, we can learn a lot about the Sabbath/Lord's Day, what it is, how we observe it today, etc - even if there are no expressed commands in the New Testament writings. We do not just automatically say that it is to be kept the same way they did in the Old Testament writings.

Again, I know the popular religious philosophies of the religions of this land teach against observation of the Sabbath, uniting it as equal with the Temporary Covenant God made with Levi for the slaughtering of animals, and burning the fat, for atonement of sin.

I can find no such a comparison anywhere in either the Old or New Testaments. What I find is the universal practice of men who call the God of Abraham, Lord, Lord, rejecting God's Sabbaths, Polluting His Sabbaths, and defiling His Sabbaths. The reason behind the rejection or polluting changes from religion to religion, but the end result is always the same. Transgressing God's Commandments by religious traditions of the land.

What is it about this one Commandment that religious men hate so much. And not just now, but through out the history of the Bible. Personally I find this weekly Fast from the evils of this world an essential part of the "Way of the Lord". Truly Jesus was right when HE said God's Sabbath was "Made for man". As HE inspired Isaiah to write "For our sake's no doubt", or "for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come";

Is. 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Who needs the bands of wickedness loosened, I know I do. Who needs the heavy burdens undone? I know I do. Who is oppressed on every side and need to break free from the Yoke and oppression of sin and deception? I do.

Who is hungry for the Word of God? I know I am. Who is naked and needs covered? I do Lord. Who needs to be honest with the man in the mirror? Surely I do.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Surely Jesus knew what HE was talking about when HE said God's Sabbath was "made for me (n)".

Shall we not trust Him, even if others don't??

Nathan@work · Apr 21, 2021

Studyman said:
I was responding to your words;

"No, there is no commandment in the New Testament for believers to abstain from offering sacrifices."

This is simply not true in any context. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

So did John the Baptist, and Zacharias, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men. But the Pharisees didn't. They were still promoting justification by these sacrificial "works of the Law". That is why Paul spent so much time addressing their refusal to separate the Priesthood which was Prophesied to change, from God's commandments and Judgments which are eternal. Just because both the eternal Laws of God, and the Temporary Covenant God made with Levi are given in the Torah, doesn't mean the Priesthood can't end without abolishing God's Commandments and Judgments.

i know there are religious men who don't believe God inspired the Bible, or is able to preserve HIS truth in the Holy Scriptures.

So we can have the discussion about the validity and truthfulness of the Scriptures another time. True or not, I am simply pointing out what it says for discussion. And the Holy scriptures clearly separate Levi, and the Covenant God gave to Levi on Israel's behalf, from the Covenant of Abraham God furthered on to Abraham's Children, AKA Children of Israel. "Which Covenant they broke". As Paul says; "It was ADDED (To God's Laws) because of Transgression, (Of God's Laws) Till the SEED should come. As Hebrews also points out.

Heb. 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

I never said it did any of this. But consider the implication of your religious philosophy here. Are you implying God didn't know Jesus would become His High Priest "After those days", when HE gave His Priesthood Covenant to Levi? And if HE did, then the "Order of Aaron" was Temporary to begin with. How is this not Biblical Truth?

I posted two scriptures, which are said to be inspired by the Christ, where God separated God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments, from the "ADDED" covenant HE made with Levi regarding sin offerings and sacrifices for atonement, found within the Levitical Priesthood. The Pharisees were not willing to acknowledge this separation because they had built their religion around, and created a religious business out of this Levitical Priesthood. If it became obsolete, as Prophesied, their entire religion, with their Temples and Shrines of Worship, and their preachers at the pulpit, and chief seats in their temples made with humans hands, and receiving Tithes and selling atonement animals would come crashing down. So instead of accepting the Scriptures, like John the Baptist, a true Levite Priest did, they worked to silence the Voice, just as they silenced the Prophets God sent before HIM.

Moses prophesied about the Christ, and commanded we should "listen to Him" when He comes. That's in the Torah. Jesus walked in all God's Commandments, including God's Sabbaths and is said to be sinless, which I believe. But HE never once dipped His Finger in the blood of a turtledove to sprinkle on the alter to forgive the sins, according to the "works of the law" of atonement, of those men HE cleansed. Why? Was it because HE was disobedient to the "Torah"? Or is it because you don't understand what the Torah taught, but Elizabeth and Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did?

The Old Testament "directly" describes a Separation between the Commandments and Judgments of God, and the Sacrificial "works of the Law" for transgression of the same Commandments and Judgments of God. This separation was ignored by the mainstream preachers of Jesus time, and it is rejected by the mainstream preachers of our time, as your post implies.

I simply want to make known the Scriptures which confirm this Separation, so that we don't make the same fatal error the mainstream preachers of Jesus' Time made.

I'm not sure I can agree as the Law and Prophets is completely full of Prophesies, which, by it's very definition, is for a future time. Over and over the Law and Prophets speak of the "latter days" and "After those days" and "when you come into the land", etc., etc. How can you say the Old Testament didn't teach it was written for future generations? In fact, the New Covenant of the God of the Bible is just one of many events that were "written" for the admonition of future generations. Paul is just confirming a truth that the entire Torah and the Prophets were written for us, at this time. Hard not to see this truth in the Old Testament where Paul found it.

Again, I know the popular religious philosophies of the religions of this land teach against observation of the Sabbath, uniting it as equal with the Temporary Covenant God made with Levi for the slaughtering of animals, and burning the fat, for atonement of sin.

I can find no such a comparison anywhere in either the Old or New Testaments. What I find is the universal practice of men who call the God of Abraham, Lord, Lord, rejecting God's Sabbaths, Polluting His Sabbaths, and defiling His Sabbaths. The reason behind the rejection or polluting changes from religion to religion, but the end result is always the same. Transgressing God's Commandments by religious traditions of the land.

What is it about this one Commandment that religious men hate so much. And not just now, but through out the history of the Bible. Personally I find this weekly Fast from the evils of this world an essential part of the "Way of the Lord". Truly Jesus was right when HE said God's Sabbath was "Made for man". As HE inspired Isaiah to write "For our sake's no doubt", or "for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come";

Is. 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Who needs the bands of wickedness loosened, I know I do. Who needs the heavy burdens undone? I know I do. Who is oppressed on every side and need to break free from the Yoke and oppression of sin and deception? I do.

Who is hungry for the Word of God? I know I am. Who is naked and needs covered? I do Lord. Who needs to be honest with the man in the mirror? Surely I do.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Surely Jesus knew what HE was talking about when HE said God's Sabbath was "made for me (n)".

Shall we not trust Him, even if others don't??

There still is no commandment. Sure, it is implied, but there is no commandment specifically dealing with animal sacrifices.

Thinking you are justified by the law does not exclude the 10 commandments. They are included in the law.

So that passage you quoted includes those who think they are justified by keeping the 10 commandments.

Personally, I do not hate any of Gods law. None of it. I think it is perfect - what little I actually know.

In fact, I do not think I have ever met a believer who hated the law - including the Sabbath. What is there to hate about it?

Side note, it is interesting how Isaiah 58:6 describes exactly what Jesus did for us.

Isaiah 58:6 (ESV) “Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?

Luke 4:18-21 (ESV) “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

Matthew 11:29 (ESV)
Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

I have found rest in Him - have you?

Nathan@work · Apr 21, 2021

@Studyman you do know there were animal sacrifices that had nothing to do with sin right?

Studyman · Apr 21, 2021

Nathan@work said:
@Studyman let me ask you a question.

Do you feel it is unloving to meet with others on Sunday instead of meeting with them on Saturday?

The Sabbath of God is not about social gathering, or meeting with others, and never has been. It was a Commandment God used to test the People He rescued from the Sin and Deception of Egypt. It isn't, nor was it ever, about man made Shrines of Worship, or Bingo or ancient religious traditions of men. It was about the Way of the Lord, VS. the ways of man.

Why would I want to turn God's Sabbath into something it never was? Why would I follow ancient religious tradition of men, and reject the instructions of the God Jesus is working to reconcile me to?

I will ask you a question. Is it loving or unloving towards God to reject His Feast's that Jesus and His Disciples walked in, and observe and/or promote man made religious high days of this world instead?

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