Thousands of vaccinated people sick, dozens dead

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Wearing a seat belt is the law and mandatory.

Seat belt is the law and mandatory ,Because idiots wont wear seat belt. Unless by law. People have to be force to do the right thing. Or they wont . Until it becomes law. Give it a while . People will do the right thing and get a COVID-19 vacs.

Larniavc · Apr 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Does it have to be a mass shooting to matter?

Again with the definitions. Oi veh.

Ceallaigh · Apr 19, 2021

I got my vaccination yesterday. Zero side effects. Except my arm hurts a little when I raise it, the same as when I got my flu shot and my tetanus shot.

expos4ever · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Since the vaccines are not mandatory, they fall in the choice category and where there is choice, there is opinion of why you feel a certain way. Your analogy about a seat belt is just as weak. Wearing a seat belt is the law and mandatory.

This is, again, profoundly misleading.

You are introducing irrelevant details to try to deflect away from the fact that the analogy to seatbelts undercuts your initial claim:

Besides, medicine is for sick people. I am not sick

As I am sure you know, the point of the vaccine is not to treat sick people! It is to prevent sickness.

Hence, my analogy to seatbelts is bang on correct - it makes as much sense to say "I won't wear a seatbelt since they are only needed by people in the process of being launched head-first through the windscreen" as it does to say "I do not need the vaccine since I am not sick".

Issues of what is legal and what is voluntary are entirely irrelevant.

wing2000 · Apr 19, 2021

...regarding our perceptions of risks....

"....a vaccinated person’s chances of getting Covid are about one in 11,000. The chances of a getting a version any worse than a common cold are even more remote.

But they are not zero. And they will not be zero anytime in the foreseeable future. Victory over Covid will not involve its elimination. Victory will instead mean turning it into the sort of danger that plane crashes or shark attacks present — too small to be worth reordering our lives.

That is what the vaccines do. If you’re vaccinated, Covid presents a minuscule risk to you, and you present a minuscule Covid risk to anyone else. A car trip is a bigger threat, to you and others. About 100 Americans are likely to die in car crashes today. The new federal data suggests that either zero or one vaccinated person will die today from Covid."

Irrational Covid Fears

Ceallaigh · Apr 19, 2021

wing2000 said:
...regarding our perceptions of risks....

"....a vaccinated person’s chances of getting Covid are about one in 11,000. The chances of a getting a version any worse than a common cold are even more remote.

But they are not zero. And they will not be zero anytime in the foreseeable future. Victory over Covid will not involve its elimination. Victory will instead mean turning it into the sort of danger that plane crashes or shark attacks present — too small to be worth reordering our lives.

That is what the vaccines do. If you’re vaccinated, Covid presents a minuscule risk to you, and you present a minuscule Covid risk to anyone else. A car trip is a bigger threat, to you and others. About 100 Americans are likely to die in car crashes today. The new federal data suggests that either zero or one vaccinated person will die today from Covid."

Irrational Covid Fears

But since my vaccination yesterday, my arm hurts a little when I move it a certain way

I know, I know, then don't move it that way

Tropical Wilds · Apr 19, 2021

Aldebaran said:
If getting the shots mean no longer having to be masked, you should inform the people who tell us that they still have to wear masks because having the shots doesn't mean you aren't still a Covid carrier and spreader.

Correct.

Because not everybody has gotten their shot yet.

Because children under 16 can’t be vaccinated yet and at least one strain impacts them disproportionately.

Because our front line responders are, in many ways, more burdened than they were last year at this time and every little bit that prevents illness helps our infrastructure.

Because vaccines are a first step to normalcy, not an instantaneous leap to it.

Because it is, quite literally, the least you can do to have the most impact on society whenever you leave your home.

wing2000 · Apr 19, 2021

MMXX said:
But since my vaccination yesterday, my arm hurts a little when I move it a certain way

I know, I know, then don't move it that way

That's a huge risk to arm operations ^_^

(yea, I had the sore arm too).

Jaxxi · Apr 19, 2021

expos4ever said:
This is, again, profoundly misleading.

You are introducing irrelevant details to try to deflect away from the fact that the analogy to seatbelts undercuts your initial claim:

Besides, medicine is for sick people. I am not sick

As I am sure you know, the point of the vaccine is not to treat sick people! It is to prevent sickness.

Hence, my analogy to seatbelts is bang on correct - it makes as much sense to say "I won't wear a seatbelt since they are only needed by people in the process of being launched head-first through the windscreen" as it does to say "I do not need the vaccine since I am not sick".

Issues of what is legal and what is voluntary are entirely irrelevant.

Whatever. I am not getting the vaccine, or wearing a seatbelt. My car, my body, my choice and my business. You want a trophy? There are some down at Goodwill. Go pick yourself up one. Let me know when you have it and I will clap for you.

expos4ever · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Whatever. I am not getting the vaccine, or wearing a seatbelt.....

Evolution by natural selection in action.......

expos4ever · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
my body, my choice and my business.

Again we see a recurrent theme from those who resist vaccination - silence about their responsibility to be concerned for the welfare of others.

And it is a silence that speaks volumes.

mala · Apr 19, 2021

expos4ever said:
Again we see a recurrent theme from those who resist vaccination - silence about their responsibility to be concerned for the welfare of others.

And it is a silence that speaks volumes.

it's also funnier when these "my body my choice" people suddenly change their tune when abortions are debated and they're all for zoning women's bodies like they were commercial districts.

expos4ever · Apr 19, 2021

mala said:
it's also funnier when these "my body my choice" people suddenly change their tune when abortions are debated and they're all for zoning women's bodies like they were commercial districts.

I was thinking of making the same point, actually.

Jaxxi · Apr 19, 2021

expos4ever said:
Again we see a recurrent theme from those who resist vaccination - silence about their responsibility to be concerned for the welfare of others.

And it is a silence that speaks volumes.

The welfare of others who are vaccinated! Who is it hurting? If I get Covid, and go into a room of vaccinated people who am I hurting? Tell me that. Just because you jumped on the guinea pig bandwagon does not make me inconsiderate of others. You show me a legitimate vaccine with live virus in the mix and I am game. 100%. But a vaccine without the virus is not a vaccine. That is not how it works. And why all the pressure? You didn't care that I didn't get my flu shot this year and the flu is a killer. Why isn't that a cause to scream from the rooftops?

Triumvirate · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
The welfare of others who are vaccinated! Who is it hurting? If I get Covid, and go into a room of vaccinated people who am I hurting? Tell me that. Just because you jumped on the guinea pig bandwagon does not make me inconsiderate of others. You show me a legitimate vaccine with live virus in the mix and I am game. 100%. But a vaccine without the virus is not a vaccine. That is not how it works. And why all the pressure? You didn't care that I didn't get my flu shot this year and the flu is a killer. Why isn't that a cause to scream from the rooftops?

Because covid is more serious.

And herd immunity is important for those who cannot get vaccinated.

But given this and your attitudes to immigrant children, selfishness seems to be the main virtue of the day...

pgp_protector · Apr 19, 2021

Triumvirate said:
Because covid is more serious.

And herd immunity is important for those who cannot get vaccinated.

But given this and your attitudes to immigrant children, selfishness seems to be the main virtue of the day...

Emphasising this

And herd immunity is important for those who cannot get vaccinated.

expos4ever · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
The welfare of others who are vaccinated! Who is it hurting? If I get Covid, and go into a room of vaccinated people who am I hurting? Tell me that.

The vaccine is not 100% effective - you are hurting those for whom the vaccine does not work.

Jaxxi said:
But a vaccine without the virus is not a vaccine.

Your statement is incorrect.

Jaxxi said:
You didn't care that I didn't get my flu shot this year and the flu is a killer. Why isn't that a cause to scream from the rooftops?

False comparison - the flu is less deadly and it is not spreading like wildfire. But if you are an older person, or someone with other conditions, yes, you should take the flu shot.

ThatRobGuy · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Driving a motor vehicle at high velocity is hardly the same as injecting myself with God knows what. You ever hear " If its not broken don't fix it"?

I think most people have heard that expression, but I don't know that it applies here.

Clearly the "leave it alone and don't try to intervene to prevent a problem" approach hasn't been working for this particular issue...

Maybe people should reserve adages like that for things like a car antenna that's bent, but still gets reception.

ThatRobGuy · Apr 19, 2021

Jaxxi said:
You didn't care that I didn't get my flu shot this year and the flu is a killer. Why isn't that a cause to scream from the rooftops?

By the numbers:
Burden of Influenza

Cases, Data, and Surveillance

For the Flu:

For Covid:

More illnesses, significantly more hospitalizations, and significantly more deaths.

Even looking at the worst year for the flu over the past decade, Covid still produced double the number of infections, 5x the number of hospitalizations, and 8x the number of deaths in comparison.

Jaxxi · Apr 20, 2021

Triumvirate said:
Because covid is more serious.

And herd immunity is important for those who cannot get vaccinated.

But given this and your attitudes to immigrant children, selfishness seems to be the main virtue of the day...

My attitude is towards not helping American kids who are displaced and people here who need help and its their money. It isn't selfishness. All of a sudden you care about the children?

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