Adventist: amalgamation in CERTAIN races of men.

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Now do you know of any race that has a majority of the people who are faithful to God a majority of the time?

Descendants of Seth - faithful ... majority of the time
Descendants of Cain - in rebellion - the majority of the time.

Same with Israel going into the land of Canaan with pagan nations all around - where they lost God's protection in one case due to fraternizing with the women of one of those nations. Genesis 6 - all over again but not to the extreme that it was in the case of Genesis 6.
 
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Descendants of Seth - faithful ... majority of the time
Descendants of Cain - in rebellion - the majority of the time.

You didn't show that from Genesis 6.

Each member of the line of Seth traced to Noah mentioned sons and daughters, and nothing is said of their faithfulness or unfaithfulness. But by the time of the flood they were all unfaithful.

Nor did it say which of Cain's line were faithful or unfaithful.

Nor did it mention races.

Are you going to name the race where the majority of members followed God the majority of the time?
 
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Same with Israel going into the land of Canaan with pagan nations all around - where they lost God's protection in one case due to fraternizing with the women of one of those nations. Genesis 6 - all over again but not to the extreme that it was in the case of Genesis 6.

Israel's history was mostly experiencing the covenant curses, not blessings. They turned to idolatry many times. So how could any race not bear the marks of idolatry then?

Your interpretation doesn't seem to match up.
 
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Now do you know of any race that has a majority of the people who are faithful to God a majority of the time?

Descendants of Seth - faithful ... majority of the time
Descendants of Cain - in rebellion - the majority of the time.

After about 1400 years of time - of course

Are you going to name the race where the majority of members followed God the majority of the time?

already posted above.

Same with Israel going into the land of Canaan with pagan nations all around - where they lost God's protection in one case due to fraternizing with the women of one of those nations. Genesis 6 - all over again but not to the extreme that it was in the case of Genesis 6.

That is historic fact that they had kings who intermarried and the people as well - Nehemiah points that out.

Your interpretation doesn't seem to match up.

Clearly we differ on this point.

have a nice day.
 
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After about 1400 years of time - of course

You still didn't show that from Genesis 6.

already posted above.

But we would need to see one that applies to your earlier statements regarding what would be seen around the 1700-early 1900's and that matches up with Ellen White's statement.

What race has had the majority of people be faithful to God the majority of the time that would be identifiable in her day? It is the second quote that says "certain races". So that means there must be some that it is seen and some where it is not.

That is historic fact that they had kings who intermarried and the people as well - Nehemiah points that out.

Yet that was not the only means of idolatry. And the larger fact is that they turned to idolatry often.

Clearly we differ on this point.

have a nice day.

Perhaps you should clarify. Are you basing your view on Cain's descendants and Seth's descendants on the Bible or the writings of Ellen White?
 
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You didn't show that from Genesis 6.

Each member of the line of Seth traced to Noah mentioned sons and daughters, and nothing is said of their faithfulness or unfaithfulness. But by the time of the flood they were all unfaithful.

Nor did it say which of Cain's line were faithful or unfaithful.

Nor did it mention races.

Are you going to name the race where the majority of members followed God the majority of the time?
Thanks for this thread; it's been illuminating for me. I sometimes participate in threads discussing the interpretation of Genesis 6 (I believe in the angelic view of the "sons of God") and I've wondered why SDA participants are invariably and vehemently hostile to that view. Now I think I know: that view disagrees with Mrs. White's writings.
 
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Thanks for this thread; it's been illuminating for me. I sometimes participate in threads discussing the interpretation of Genesis 6 (I believe in the angelic view of the "sons of God") and I've wondered why SDA participants are invariably and vehemently hostile to that view. Now I think I know: that view disagrees with Mrs. White's writings.

The Bible doesn't come out and say it directly, but if we look at Matthew 22:30, it says we will be like the angels and will not marry. Since marrying is a requirement by the law of God for reproduction, it can be safely assumed that angels cannot reproduce, thus the idea that fallen angels were the sons of God that mingled with the daughters of men doesn't hold water. One doesn't need Ellen White to come to this conclusion. As for giants, the sons of God of the time were not long from Eden and lived upwards to a thousand years, which points to beings of purity and stature (height) that we don't have today. It's no wonder "giants" and men of renown came forth from the sons of God, as the purity of creation still lingered in those generations.
 
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The Bible doesn't come out and say it directly, but if we look at Matthew 22:30, it says we will be like the angels and will not marry. Since marrying is a requirement by the law of God for reproduction, it can be safely assumed that angels cannot reproduce, thus the idea that fallen angels were the sons of God that mingled with the daughters of men doesn't hold water. One doesn't need Ellen White to come to this conclusion. As for giants, the sons of God of the time were not long from Eden and lived upwards to a thousand years, which points to beings of purity and stature (height) that we don't have today. It's no wonder "giants" and men of renown came forth from the sons of God, as the purity of creation still lingered in those generations.
Yes, I've participated in those discussions. This thread has a different slant, though, so I'm not going to pursue it here.
 
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Thanks for this thread; it's been illuminating for me. I sometimes participate in threads discussing the interpretation of Genesis 6 (I believe in the angelic view of the "sons of God") and I've wondered why SDA participants are invariably and vehemently hostile to that view. Now I think I know: that view disagrees with Mrs. White's writings.

Yes. To add a bit more to the picture, here are some quotes from Ellen White on pre-flood times. You can read more in the collection at the link,

Ellen G. White Statements Relating to Geology and Earth Sciences
Chapter 12—Ellen G. White Statements on Antediluvian World Conditions


Ellen G. White Statements Relating to Geology and Earth Sciences


As Adam came forth from the hand of his Creator, he was of noble height, and of beautiful symmetry. He was more than twice as tall as men now living upon the earth, and was well proportioned.... Eve was not quite as tall as Adam. Her head reached a little above his shoulders. She, too, was noble—perfect in symmetry, and very beautiful.—Spiritual Gifts 3:34. (The Spirit of Prophecy 1:25.)

Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more than any of his other sons. The descendants of Seth had separated themselves from the wicked descendants of Cain. They cherished the knowledge of God’s will, while the ungodly race of Cain had no respect for God and his sacred commandments. But when men multiplied upon the earth, the descendants of Seth saw that the daughters of the descendants of Cain were very beautiful,and they departed from God and displeased him by taking wives as they chose of the idolatrous race of Cain.

Those who honored and feared to offend God, at first felt the curse but lightly; while those who turned from God and trampled upon his authority, felt the effects of the curse more heavily, especially in stature and nobleness of form. The descendants of Seth were called the sons of God—the descendants of Cain, the sons of men. As the sons of God mingled with the sons of men, they became corrupt, and by intermarriage with them, lost, through the influence of their wives, their peculiar, holy character, and united with the sons of Cain in their idolatry. Many cast aside the fear of God, and trampled upon his commandments. But there were a few who did righteousness, who feared and honored their Creator. Noah and his family were among the righteous few.
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Soon after the flood the race began to rapidly decrease in size, and in length of years. There was a class of very large animals which perished at the flood. God knew that the strength of man would decrease, and these mammoth animals could not be controlled by feeble man.—4SG 121.
 
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Yes. To add a bit more to the picture, here are some quotes from Ellen White on pre-flood times. You can read more in the collection at the link,

Ellen G. White Statements Relating to Geology and Earth Sciences
Chapter 12—Ellen G. White Statements on Antediluvian World Conditions


Ellen G. White Statements Relating to Geology and Earth Sciences


As Adam came forth from the hand of his Creator, he was of noble height, and of beautiful symmetry. He was more than twice as tall as men now living upon the earth, and was well proportioned.... Eve was not quite as tall as Adam. Her head reached a little above his shoulders. She, too, was noble—perfect in symmetry, and very beautiful.—Spiritual Gifts 3:34. (The Spirit of Prophecy 1:25.)


Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more than any of his other sons.... Those who honored and feared to offend God at first felt the curse but lightly; while those who turned from God and trampled upon His authority, felt the effects of the curse more heavily, especially in stature and nobleness of form.

The race of men then living were of very great stature, and possessed wonderful strength. The trees were vastly larger, and far surpassing in beauty and perfect proportions anything mortals can now look upon. —Spiritual Gifts 3:60-61. (The Spirit of Prophecy 1:65-67.)

Soon after the flood the race began to rapidly decrease in size, and in length of years. There was a class of very large animals which perished at the flood. God knew that the strength of man would decrease, and these mammoth animals could not be controlled by feeble man.—4SG 121.
Oh my, I think she's adding to the scriptures. One thing that really stuck out to me was this one:

Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more than any of his other sons.... Those who honored and feared to offend God at first felt the curse but lightly; while those who turned from God and trampled upon His authority, felt the effects of the curse more heavily, especially in stature and nobleness of form.​

As I read Genesis 3, the curse had nothing to do with "stature" and "nobleness of form", but with death and hard work.

And, whenever the OT mentions giants it's always in a negative sense, not a positive one. A classic example is the Canaanites encountered during the exodus. While big in stature they were certainly not noble. Others are Goliath, and Og of Bashan. Whenever the Israelites encountered giants they were considered evil and marked for death.
 
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Oh my, I think she's adding to the scriptures. One thing that really stuck out to me was this one:

Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more than any of his other sons.... Those who honored and feared to offend God at first felt the curse but lightly; while those who turned from God and trampled upon His authority, felt the effects of the curse more heavily, especially in stature and nobleness of form.​

As I read Genesis 3, the curse had nothing to do with "stature" and "nobleness of form", but with death and hard work.

And, whenever the OT mentions giants it's always in a negative sense, not a positive one. A classic example is the Canaanites encountered during the exodus. While big in stature they were certainly not noble. Others are Goliath, and Og of Bashan. Whenever the Israelites encountered giants they were considered evil and marked for death.

Yes, I think even Adventists would admit to it adding to Scripture, but would claim it doesn't contradict. That is why I am trying to see if Bob is stating he sees all this in Genesis 6 (which I don't think it says), or if he admits that he gets it from Ellen White, but doesn't see it as contradicting Scripture.

However, as you point out, it is hard to understand given her statement about the curse of sin impacting stature, and that stature began to decrease after the flood, that the sons of Anak, etc. who were judged by God for their sinfulness somehow managed to retain greater stature.

And if nobleness of form and beauty were greatest among those who sinned less, then why would the sons of Seth want the daughters of Cain, working within that logic? They would be less attractive and noble in form.
 
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Thanks for this thread; it's been illuminating for me. I sometimes participate in threads discussing the interpretation of Genesis 6 (I believe in the angelic view of the "sons of God") and I've wondered why SDA participants are invariably and vehemently hostile to that view. Now I think I know: that view disagrees with Mrs. White's writings.

And there is "that statement of Christ" in Matt 22 that Angels are not even "having babies" inside their own species - let alone trying to form families with other species. (How interesting that this shows up in this amalgamation thread - but is probably more to the point)

For Adventists like me - when a Bible question comes up - I look for Bible answers - so not too surprising that when the topic comes up that you mentioned I look for Christ's words in Matt 22 stating that angels do not form family units even within their own species, and John 1:12 showing that "Sons of God" is not a term limited to "just men" but rather "faithful people of God", and then going to Genesis 6 where we see that the faithful people of God begin to intermarry with "daughters of men" - and we note that in the OT Israel was also drawn away from God by that same tactic.

Those who prefer an "All Ellen White all the time" sort of discussion outside of the Adventist denomination may not be satisfied with my "bible answers to bible topics" approach - but I am ok with just leaving it as "well then ... we differ".
 
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and John 1:12 showing that "Sons of God" is not a term limited to "just men" but rather "faithful people of God", and then going to Genesis 6 where we see that the faithful people of God begin to intermarry with "daughters of men" -

Nothing was said of race.

Those who prefer an "All Ellen White all the time" sort of discussion outside of the Adventist denomination may not be satisfied with my "bible answers to bible topics" approach - but I am ok with just leaving it as "well then ... we differ".

Except you haven't shown races, or Seth's line and Cain's line in Genesis 6, which is why I asked if you were getting it from Ellen White who does specify that.
 
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Thanks for this thread; it's been illuminating for me. I sometimes participate in threads discussing the interpretation of Genesis 6 (I believe in the angelic view of the "sons of God") and I've wondered why SDA participants are invariably and vehemently hostile to that view. Now I think I know: that view disagrees with Mrs. White's writings.


No---it disagrees with the very character of God. Angels do not marry, as Jesus said. Those who say this is an indication of fallen angels having sex with human women are saying that Jesus either lied or didn't know what He was talking about. Angels were not created to have sex with anyone, they were created, not born, and they were created as messengers of God which is what their name means. So, did God create them with useless body parts?? This theory means that He either did that, which makes no sense since the word in the bible that states God said everything was very good, actually translates to FUNCTIONAL, instead of good. God just doesn't create useless, nonfunctional creatures. But then, a staunch proponent of this absurd theory insisted that God actually remade the fallen angels so they could have sex with women!!! Seriously??---When they awoke from that stupor they said Satan and his fallen angels remade themselves! Except that angels, fallen or otherwise, can not create---EGW has nothing to do with debunking this stupidity!! Anyone that stops to think has to toss it aside. It comes from the book of Enoch. Which states that these "giants" were 4,500 feet tall!!! Then someone decided that really is stupid so they said it must be an error and it should actually read 450 feet!! Which is much taller than the Statue of Liberty!!
 
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Except you haven't shown races, or Seth's line and Cain's line in Genesis 6, which is why I asked if you were getting it from Ellen White who does specify that.

Those who prefer an "All Ellen White all the time" sort of discussion outside of the Adventist denomination may not be satisfied with my "bible answers to bible topics" approach - but I am ok with just leaving it as "well then ... we differ".

All races of mankind that existed 1000 years before Christ had been create in the 1600 years since the flood - - all from "brothers" that came over on the boat.

All races of mankind that existed at the time of Noah had been created since the 1600 years of time since Seth and Cain were born.

Oh my, I think she's adding to the scriptures. One thing that really stuck out to me was this one:

Seth was of more noble stature than Cain or Abel, and resembled Adam more than any of his other sons.... Those who honored and feared to offend God at first felt the curse but lightly; while those who turned from God and trampled upon His authority, felt the effects of the curse more heavily, especially in stature and nobleness of form.​

Races are expressed in phenotype difference over time.

In Adventist thinking the problem of some members of a community marrying falling angels "is not even a thing" to warn people against since it does not happen. What does happen is people marrying unbelievers and then raising families that can be more than a little confused over what is truth and what is not.
 
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All races of mankind that existed 1000 years before Christ had been create in the 1600 years since the flood - - all from "brothers" that came over on the boat.

And I asked you to identify the races you said would be evident in Ellen White's time, who amalgamation could be seen in, since you said it would have been clear. However, you have not done that.

And I asked you to name the race where the majority of the people the majority of the time had served the Lord by Ellen White's time, because she says it is seen only in "certain" races of men. But you have not stated those either.

The reality is no race has served the Lord faithfully. And salvation is not by race. Even in the case of the Israelites being an Israelite in the flesh did not save.

So how could you see amalgamation in only certain races if by your definition amalgamation is the result of turning from the Lor?

All races of mankind that existed at the time of Noah had been created since the 1600 years of time since Seth and Cain were born.

Races are expressed in phenotype difference over time.

In Adventist thinking the problem of some members of a community marrying falling angels "is not even a thing" to warn people against since it does not happen. What does happen is people marrying unbelievers and then raising families that can be more than a little confused over what is truth and what is not.

Nor did I discuss the angel theory other than to acknowledge your comment that it was a theory.

But I did discuss using your terms that it is believers and unbelievers. What it does not say is races in Genesis 6. So are you not going to show that then?

By your terms it is believer and unbeliever. Genesis 6 does not say all of Cain's line was evil, or that all of Seth's line was good.

Can you demonstrate that from Genesis 6?
 
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And there is "that statement of Christ" in Matt 22 that Angels are not even "having babies" inside their own species - let alone trying to form families with other species. (How interesting that this shows up in this amalgamation thread - but is probably more to the point)

Yes, angels don't marry.

For Adventists like me - when a Bible question comes up - I look for Bible answers -

Then why does your version of events here sound a lot more like what Ellen White said than what the Bible said?

It said nothing about some races showing amalgamation, or some being so wicked in turning from the Lord that you can see it in their lack of nobility, etc.
 
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Then why does your version of events here sound a lot more like what Ellen White

"My version" - is that they were marrying unbelievers from among the descendants of Cain. (nothing in my version about humans marrying fallen angels) - "my version" is that all the prohibitions against marrying unbelievers that we find in both OT and NT are good things to notice - and a safeguard from poor outcomes

But I could continue with a few zillion more texts on God's prohibition forbidding the marriage of believers with unbelievers - and the OT examples of all the ways that failed.

I think this is the part where a quote of the Genesis 6 subject matter would be helpful for "what it sounds like" - and clearly I have given only tiny snip of details. But since you are asking for a "comparison" ---

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from: Patriarchs and Prophets

"Upon receiving the curse of God, Cain had withdrawn from his father’s household. He had first chosen his occupation as a tiller of the soil, and he now founded a city, calling it after the name of his eldest son. He had gone out from the presence of the Lord, cast away the promise of the restored Eden, to seek his possessions and enjoyment in the earth under the curse of sin, thus standing at the head of that great class of men who worship the god of this world. In that which pertains to mere earthly and material progress, his descendants became distinguished. But they were regardless of God, and in opposition to His purposes for man. To the crime of murder, in which Cain had led the way, Lamech, the fifth in descent, added polygamy, and, boastfully defiant, he acknowledged God, only to draw from the avenging of Cain an assurance of his own safety. Abel had led a pastoral life, dwelling in tents or booths, and the descendants of Seth followed the same course, counting themselves “strangers and pilgrims on the earth,” seeking “a better country, that is, an heavenly.” Hebrews 11:13, 16. {PP 81.1}

For some time the two classes remained separate. The race of Cain, spreading from the place of their first settlement, dispersed over the plains and valleys where the children of Seth had dwelt; and the latter, in order to escape from their contaminating influence, withdrew to the mountains, and there made their home. So long as this separation continued, they maintained the worship of God in its purity. But in the lapse of time they ventured, little by little, to mingle with the inhabitants of the valleys. This association was productive of the worst results. “The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair.” The children of Seth, attracted by the beauty of the daughters of Cain’s descendants, displeased the Lord by intermarrying with them. Many of the worshipers of God were beguiled into sin by the allurements that were now constantly before them, and they lost their peculiar, holy character. Mingling with the depraved, they became like them in spirit and in deeds; the restrictions of the seventh commandment were disregarded, “and they took them wives of all which they chose.” The children of Seth went “in the way of Cain” (Jude 11); they fixed their minds upon worldly prosperity and enjoyment and neglected the commandments of the Lord. Men “did not like to retain God in their knowledge;” they “became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Romans 1:21. Therefore “God gave them over to a mind void of judgment.” Verse 28, margin. Sin spread abroad in the earth like a deadly leprosy. {PP 81.2}

For nearly a thousand years Adam lived among men, a witness to the results of sin. Faithfully he sought to stem the tide of evil. He had been commanded to instruct his posterity in the way of the Lord; and he carefully treasured what God had revealed to him, and repeated it to succeeding generations. To his children and children’s children, to the ninth generation, he described man’s holy and happy estate in Paradise, and repeated the history of his fall, telling them of the sufferings by which God had taught him the necessity of strict adherence to His law, and explaining to them the merciful provisions for their salvation. Yet there were but few who gave heed to his words. Often he was met with bitter reproaches for the sin that had brought such woe upon his posterity. {PP 82.1}

Adam’s life was one of sorrow, humility, and contrition. When he left Eden, the thought that he must die thrilled him with horror. He was first made acquainted with the reality of death in the human family when Cain, his first-born son, became the murderer of his brother. Filled with the keenest remorse for his own sin, and doubly bereaved in the death of Abel and the rejection of Cain, Adam was bowed down with anguish. He witnessed the wide-spreading corruption that was finally to cause the destruction of the world by a flood; and though the sentence of death pronounced upon him by his Maker had at first appeared terrible, yet after beholding for nearly a thousand years the results of sin, he felt that it was merciful in God to bring to an end a life of suffering and sorrow. {PP 82.2}

Notwithstanding the wickedness of the antediluvian world, that age was not, as has often been supposed, an era of ignorance and barbarism. The people were granted the opportunity of reaching a high standard of moral and intellectual attainment. They possessed great physical and mental strength, and their advantages for acquiring both religious and scientific knowledge were unrivaled. It is a mistake to suppose that because they lived to a great age their minds matured late; their mental powers were early developed, and those who cherished the fear of God and lived in harmony with His will continued to increase in knowledge and wisdom throughout their life. Could illustrious scholars of our time be placed in contrast with men of the same age who lived before the Flood, they would appear as greatly inferior in mental as in physical strength. As the years of man have decreased, and his physical strength has diminished, so his mental capacities have lessened. There are men who now apply themselves to study during a period of from twenty to fifty years, and the world is filled with admiration of their attainments. But how limited are these acquirements in comparison with those of men whose mental and physical powers were developing for centuries! {PP 82.3}

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you probably meant to include this material on page one -- might have been an oversight.

ok - so "now" it is on page 1.
 
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All races of mankind that existed 1000 years before Christ had been create in the 1600 years since the flood - - all from "brothers" that came over on the boat.

All races of mankind that existed at the time of Noah had been created since the 1600 years of time since Seth and Cain were born.

Races are expressed in phenotype difference over time.

And I asked you to identify the races you said would be evident in Ellen White's time,

There were entire nations in Ellen White's time that had very little to no Christian influence in their populations still evident in the 1800's. I "thought" we both would have that as "a given".
 
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"My version" - is that they were marrying unbelievers from among the descendants of Cain. (nothing in my version about humans marrying fallen angels) - "my version" is that all the prohibitions against marrying unbelievers that we find in both OT and NT are good things to notice - and a safeguard from poor outcomes

You were the first to even mention the fallen angel theory. Nor have I advocated for it.

Now in post 60 I indicated that the OT and NT indicate not to marry unbelievers. Of course, marriage is not the only way to forsake the Lord.

The larger problem is that your version conflates unbelievers with the descendants of Cain. You have not demonstrated that all the descendants of Cain were unbelievers, or that all the descendants of Seth were believers from the Scriptures.

Genesis 6 does not state these are "races". You and Ellen White do talk about the "race" of Cain.

But I could continue with a few zillion more texts on God's prohibition forbidding the marriage of believers with unbelievers - and the OT examples of all the ways that failed.

Which would do very little, because you have not produced the text in Genesis 6 that talks about races or all of Cain's line being evil and all of Seth's line being good.

I think this is the part where a quote of the Genesis 6 subject matter would be helpful for "what it sounds like" - and clearly I have given only tiny snip of details. But since you are asking for a "comparison" ---

I am asking you to establish your doctrine by the Bible, or just admit you get it from Ellen White.

from: Patriarchs and Prophets

"Upon receiving the curse of God, Cain had withdrawn from his father’s household. He had first chosen his occupation as a tiller of the soil, and he now founded a city, calling it after the name of his eldest son. He had gone out from the presence of the Lord, cast away the promise of the restored Eden, to seek his possessions and enjoyment in the earth under the curse of sin, thus standing at the head of that great class of men who worship the god of this world. In that which pertains to mere earthly and material progress, his descendants became distinguished. But they were regardless of God, and in opposition to His purposes for man. To the crime of murder, in which Cain had led the way, Lamech, the fifth in descent, added polygamy, and, boastfully defiant, he acknowledged God, only to draw from the avenging of Cain an assurance of his own safety.
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Abel had led a pastoral life, dwelling in tents or booths, and the descendants of Seth followed the same course, counting themselves “strangers and pilgrims on the earth,” seeking “a better country, that is, an heavenly.” Hebrews 11:13, 16. {PP 81.1}

For some time the two classes remained separate. The race of Cain, spreading from the place of their first settlement, dispersed over the plains and valleys where the children of Seth had dwelt; and the latter, in order to escape from their contaminating influence, withdrew to the mountains, and there made their home. So long as this separation continued, they maintained the worship of God in its purity. But in the lapse of time they ventured, little by little, to mingle with the
inhabitants of the valleys.
This association was productive of the worst results. “The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair.” The children of Seth, attracted by the beauty of the daughters of Cain’s descendants, displeased the Lord by intermarrying with them.

This does rather make the point. You call the line of Cain the "race" of Cain. So does Ellen White. But not the Bible.

You say the line of Seth regarded God. The Scriptures mention many of both lines having sons and daughters, but doesn't say which of these regarded the Lord.

You say the line of Cain was evil. So does Ellen White. The Scriptures indicate all the people on the earth were evil by the time of the end, and that the trend of people was towards evil.

Moreover, per Ellen White Seth's line was even more noble in form than that of Cain, so why would Seth's line need to be attracted to Cain's line?


Many of the worshipers of God were beguiled into sin by the allurements
that were now constantly before them, and they lost their peculiar, holy character. Mingling with the depraved, they became like them in spirit and in deeds; the restrictions of the seventh commandment were disregarded, “and they took them wives of all which they chose.” The children of Seth went “in the way of Cain” (Jude 11);

Jud 1:11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion.

Cain, Balaam and Korah were all sinners. That text does not say what Ellen White's narrative here says, that all of Cain's line were idolators, and that Seth's line was n
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they fixed their minds upon worldly prosperity and enjoyment and neglected the commandments of the Lord. Men “did not like to retain God in their knowledge;” they “became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Romans 1:21. Therefore “God gave them over to a mind void of judgment.” Verse 28, margin. Sin spread abroad in the earth like a deadly leprosy. {PP 81.2}

For nearly a thousand years Adam lived among men, a witness to the results of sin. Faithfully he sought to stem the tide of evil. He had been commanded to instruct his posterity in the way of the Lord; and he carefully treasured what God had revealed to him, and repeated it to succeeding generations. To his children and children’s children, to the ninth generation, he described man’s holy and happy estate in Paradise, and repeated the history of his fall, telling them of the sufferings by which God had taught him the necessity of strict adherence to His law, and explaining to them the merciful provisions for their salvation. Yet there were but few who gave heed to his words. Often he was met with bitter reproaches for the sin that had brought such woe upon his posterity. {PP 82.1}

Adam’s life was one of sorrow, humility, and contrition. When he left Eden, the thought that he must die thrilled him with horror. He was first made acquainted with the reality of death in the human family when Cain, his first-born son, became the murderer of his brother. Filled with the keenest remorse for his own sin, and doubly bereaved in the death of Abel and the rejection of Cain, Adam was bowed down with anguish. He witnessed the wide-spreading corruption that was finally to cause the destruction of the world by a flood; and though the sentence of death pronounced upon him by his Maker had at first appeared terrible, yet after beholding for nearly a thousand years the results of sin, he felt that it was merciful in God to bring to an end a life of suffering and sorrow. {PP 82.2}

Notwithstanding the wickedness of the antediluvian world, that age was not, as has often been supposed, an era of ignorance and barbarism. The people were granted the opportunity of reaching a high standard of moral and intellectual attainment. They possessed great physical and mental strength, and their advantages for acquiring both religious and scientific knowledge were unrivaled. It is a mistake to suppose that because they lived to a great age their minds matured late; their mental powers were early developed, and those who cherished the fear of God and lived in harmony with His will continued to increase in knowledge and wisdom throughout their life. Could illustrious scholars of our time be placed in contrast with men of the same age who lived before the Flood, they would appear as greatly inferior in mental as in physical strength. As the years of man have decreased, and his physical strength has diminished, so his mental capacities have lessened. There are men who now apply themselves to study during a period of from twenty to fifty years, and the world is filled with admiration of their attainments. But how limited are these acquirements in comparison with those of men whose mental and physical powers were developing for centuries! {PP 82.3}

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you probably meant to include this material on page one -- might have been an oversight.

Why would I put it? I asked Adventists what they thought of the quotes. A good number of Adventists do not take your interpretation of the quotes, and would not refer to those statements in their explanation. It is not needed for those who think it was pre-flood gene splicing. It is not needed for those who take Uriah Smith's view of a blurring of the line between human and animal.

I asked Adventists to give their view, then looked at the implications.

I thought you were going to show us from Genesis 1 that your view is correct, not from Ellen White.

If you wish to admit you get this idea of Seth and Cain's line being two "races", and that one was faithful to God and one wasn't from Ellen White, then we can all see that your view and her view line up.

However, if you claim you got it from Genesis 6, that is not clear, because it doesn't talk about "races", etc.
 
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