Misleading (anti) Mask claims coming soon.

Here's some actual based on real world data non theoretical results

Mandatory COVID masks a game-changer in Vic lockdown, modelling shows

It's almost as if hypercapnia and bacterial pneumonia just don't exist.

The World has gone insane with the masking. I watch a Canadian Video blogger who covers US and Canadian legal matters. There are down sides to masking and those are not talked about enough. Canada especially has had its problems.

keith99 said:

Diamond and Silk and other anti science, anti mask sources are already pushing misleading and fraudulent anti mask claims. Expect threads to show here soon.

The key figure is Baruch Vainshelboim who claims affiliation with Stanford and other institutions. I have been informed by a current Stanford student that he is not in either the public directories or the private ones (which one must have a Stanford login to access).

The outright fraud that caused me to be contacted is the claim that this involves a 'Stanford Study'. That is a lie.

The 'research' cited actually appears good. Meaning it looks legitimate, but is not.

It is published in the journal Medical Hypotheses. That sounds good, but their mission is to "is to publish interesting theoretical papers.”. While Medical Hypothesesdoes have its own review system, it is “in accordance with the aims and scope of the journal, which is to publish radical new ideas” according to the editor-in-chief—meaning that it publishes work that includes plausible conjecture rather than provable fact."

Just a heads up so yuo don't get fooled or have to dig to avoid being fooled.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532
PolitiFact - Medical Hypotheses journal article lacks evidence that masks cause ill effects
Seeing Is Not Necessarily Believing | Amgen Biotech Experience

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Half of American adults have been vaccinated at least once. I got my second Moderna vaccination Thursday. I was half sick for a day and a half. Am fine now.

I believe in masks and social distancing when possible. Many of the young in my area do not wear masks as they are not as likely to die of the virus. They may more easily sicken others by their attitude and damaged the economy in the process. Hospital bills are worse than one can imagine.

Der Alte said:

If masks are so ineffective why has the medical profession been using them for years and years?

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Masks (have been) 'ineffective' because of the ignorance of health officials.

Can we at least agree to this?

Please note the date of this post.

I got a 'ration' from others back then for this suggestion (Still waiting for my cornflakes.) We could have proven the effectiveness of masks decades ago during the annual flu seasons and would have been better prepared for this pandemic.

OldWiseGuy said:

Masks (have been) 'ineffective' because of the ignorance of health officials.

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I haven't seen mask wearing being ineffective by health officials or people at all. So far I haven't even caught a cold.

Better, even if by a small percentage, to have a fool with symptoms who won't stay home, be masked than not at all. This is who the masks are for, the infected, not the healthy. Can people guarantee which they are?
People wore masks in 1918-20 when out in public and their institutions were shut down like ours. Are we so self entitled we can't do a simple thing for a couple of years like they did? They went on to the Roaring 20's. Masks were not their problem. Besides, I am sure facial recognition has advanced by leaps and bounds over the last year and even sound surveillance has no doubt improved allowing us to get 3 feet closer together. It can't be all bad.

keith99 said:

Which the misleading article claims are caused by masks without any supporting evidence.

It is worth pointing out that dangers of wearing a N95 mask for long periods of time when someone has a preexisting condition has nothing to do with teh average person wearing a surgical or cloth mask. It is like comparing skiping lunch with starvation.

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Makes sense those issues arise, I've seen folks on video hook up heart rate monitors and sat with a mask on/off for several minutes to show increased heart rate from waring masks for extended periods of time. When I have to wear anything over my nose for more than 10 or 15 minutes, I notice I start breathing much harder, I feel short of breath, and anxiety builds as a result. And if you don't wash your masks every day, or have endless disposable masks, you build up bacteria in the mask, being right at the entrance to the nose and mouth.
Risking bacterial pneumonia for folks who wear the same mask [easy to do if you live in a place that has law requires it, as well as not being able to just buy endless boxes of masks/waste loads of laundry every day just to wash a small mask] every day is common sense. And hypercapnia is an inherent risk for many folks, too.

And all of that is outside the scope of the micron size of the virus vs the micron size of the gaps between the fibers of masks, that renders masks virtually useless. It would be like expecting a mosquito to be kept out of a yard by a chain link fence [slight exaggeration]. The risks of inhaling bacteria from reusing masks far outweighs any easily disprovable potential benefit of wearing them. If you simply don't just open mouth cough on folks in public, that is entirely true. Of course folks with autoimmune disorders should be more careful, in fact I would recommend they stay out of public the most for their own safety; but the entire world doesn't need to permanently distance themselves for this small subset of people, whose condition likely arose from receiving vaccines in the first place. In this day and age of government sponsored propaganda to achieve agendas and influence mass psychology, the narrow path of info that is outside the wide path of the official narrative is more than likely where the truth about these issues resides. Everything is influenced and ran by money. And I see a lot of folks just being mass psychologically influenced by false facts promoted as true in the world. The true studies are ignored and what big money promotes in certain circles are what is soap-boxed. To be honest that should be in every Christians mind as the default position, due to the fact that even the Bible clearly says that Satan is the god of this world, and is a deciever. That goes to indirectly imply that the top power structures would follow in Satan's direction, including the government. It's always interesting to see when people refuse to believe those verses in the Bible because it doesn't fit with their worldview; at least, I personally have known a lot of folks who ingest all the fox news stuff unquestioningly [to be fair CNN and all TV media is equal propaganda].

We cannot survive living in a sterile environment. The very thing meant to save us, our natural immune system, would shut down after which the slightest contaminant could kill us. Even this new mRNA vaccine tricks the immune system into dong it's job. Sterile bad, bacteria good. Masks are a compromise between the two and the people out in a field or driving by themselves need to realize a mask is unnecessary away from others.

I wear a mask when I have to, going into a store and such. I'll put a mask on when walking around downtown as a "when in Rome" thing.

I got my first Pfizer vaccination yesterday. I had a brief mild axiety attack about five minutes after. But I get those once in a while anyways. After that I've felt completely fine except my arm is a tiny bit sore.

I don't like being so sanitary. I used to purposely not wash my hands at times to expose myself to bacteria to enhance my immune system. Although despite all the precautions I've been taking, it still caught a cold a couple of months ago. I usually catch a common cold once a year. I haven't had the flu since I was a child. Although in Jan 2020 I had a fever and aches for a couple of days. I wonder if I caught Covid early, because I sure had the symptoms.

Astroqualia said:

And all of that is outside the scope of the micron size of the virus vs the micron size of the gaps between the fibers of masks, that renders masks virtually useless.

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You are neglecting to understand the fact that the virus is not passed through inhalation of individual virus particles, ... but rather of virus which has hitched a ride on much larger respiratory droplets, ... which are easily filtered by a mask ...

Astroqualia said:

Makes sense those issues arise, I've seen folks on video hook up heart rate monitors and sat with a mask on/off for several minutes to show increased heart rate from waring masks for extended periods of time. When I have to wear anything over my nose for more than 10 or 15 minutes, I notice I start breathing much harder, I feel short of breath, and anxiety builds as a result. And if you don't wash your masks every day, or have endless disposable masks, you build up bacteria in the mask, being right at the entrance to the nose and mouth.
Risking bacterial pneumonia for folks who wear the same mask [easy to do if you live in a place that has law requires it, as well as not being able to just buy endless boxes of masks/waste loads of laundry every day just to wash a small mask] every day is common sense. And hypercapnia is an inherent risk for many folks, too.

And all of that is outside the scope of the micron size of the virus vs the micron size of the gaps between the fibers of masks, that renders masks virtually useless. It would be like expecting a mosquito to be kept out of a yard by a chain link fence [slight exaggeration]. The risks of inhaling bacteria from reusing masks far outweighs any easily disprovable potential benefit of wearing them. If you simply don't just open mouth cough on folks in public, that is entirely true. Of course folks with autoimmune disorders should be more careful, in fact I would recommend they stay out of public the most for their own safety; but the entire world doesn't need to permanently distance themselves for this small subset of people, whose condition likely arose from receiving vaccines in the first place. In this day and age of government sponsored propaganda to achieve agendas and influence mass psychology, the narrow path of info that is outside the wide path of the official narrative is more than likely where the truth about these issues resides. Everything is influenced and ran by money. And I see a lot of folks just being mass psychologically influenced by false facts promoted as true in the world. The true studies are ignored and what big money promotes in certain circles are what is soap-boxed. To be honest that should be in every Christians mind as the default position, due to the fact that even the Bible clearly says that Satan is the god of this world, and is a deciever. That goes to indirectly imply that the top power structures would follow in Satan's direction, including the government. It's always interesting to see when people refuse to believe those verses in the Bible because it doesn't fit with their worldview; at least, I personally have known a lot of folks who ingest all the fox news stuff unquestioningly [to be fair CNN and all TV media is equal propaganda].

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Masks work by limiting how far and how fast your exhaled breath goes (it's your breath that spreads the virus). This confines the aerosols that contain the virus to a smaller area. It also stops larger drops of mucous and phlegm that might contain viruses. Thus masks are very effective at limiting the 'viral load' of the surrounding air.

Masks are for exhalation, not inhalation. We are more likely to get the virus through our eyes. So it is a matter of, can you guarantee others you are not a carrier?

A_Thinker said:

You are neglecting to understand the fact that the virus is not passed through inhalation of individual virus particles, ... but rather of virus which has hitched a ride on much larger respiratory droplets, ... which are easily filtered by a mask ...

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An incorrect assumption. I know dry virus particles don't just float through the air like that. Do me a favor, go into a place where when you breathe you make fog, and see how easily the fog not only goes around the edges of the mask, but straight up through it - fine water droplets. Cough, see how more comes out. Breathe hard into your hand through a mask and see how the mask gets wet from vapor. I already said that I know masks stop virus laden chunks of open mouth coughing spit, what it does not protect against further is smaller particles. There are so many experiments done that show exactly what I am saying, done right in front of you on video. And the aforementioned mask risks are far more potentially detrimental to our health than a virus that is about as lethal as the flu. If you don't want to die, don't be an unhealthy, sickly person to the point where something as dangerous as the flu stands a chance to kill you. And yes, I realize that immune compromised folks are a different story.

OldWiseGuy said:

Masks work by limiting how far and how fast your exhaled breath goes (it's your breath that spreads the virus). This confines the aerosols that contain the virus to a smaller area. It also stops larger drops of mucous and phlegm that might contain viruses. Thus masks are very effective at limiting the 'viral load' of the surrounding air.

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And the health risks from extended use of masks on masses of otherwise healthy individuals who aren't spreading anything, far outweigh the lack of any benefit where healthy folks are wearing a mask for no reason. I've seen poor folks with mask sized patches of impetigo as a result of constantly wearing one. I lived in FL for the longest time without taking any special precautions whatsoever, except for washing my hands more often [like when coming home from somewhere] and never had an issue. Never really wore masks in a job that had me interacting with many folks every day, never gave special attention while out and about to use sanitizer, never got sick. And I know folks who constantly use sanitizer, constantly mask anytime while outside, who have already gotten covid. Obviously these precautions don't mean squat. Yet they are paraded around like they do.