Belief In The Resurrection Is Essential To Saving Faith

Minister Monardo said:

That assembly line being the Acts of the Apostles? The epistles? Your aversion to doctrine
is reflected in your unwillingness to support your position with scripture. At least PH is agreeing
with you. Are you two a tag team? Do you think you will wear me down with opinion? If you can't support your position with the scriptures because that involves too much doctrine, you should go
move on. All you have really proved is that you do not believe the Resurrection is essential
to the Gospel Message. Agree to disagree. All opinion aside, the scriptures cited support the OP
position on the importance of this Truth. God raised Jesus Christ from the dead to prove that
He is what He claimed, the Son of God, for which He was crucified.
John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that believing you may have life in His name.

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So you actually think the assembly line gospel machine is a good idea?

I can see the Christian robots coming off the end of the production line. All with a "correct doctrine" stamp of approval. Whatever that means.

Saint Steven said: ↑
People aren't saved on an assembly line by an approved gospel machine.

Minister Monardo said:

Do you agree that Christ came in the flesh?

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Yes, I agree.

Minister Monardo said:

Your opinions are not facts. The Gospel is Truth. Not LOLing.

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I'm trying to loosen you up a bit. You are so rigid with this idea of covering all of the doctrinal bases in your sales pitch of the gospel. As if saving the world depends on you.

It's not your job to save the world.

Minister Monardo said:

So why bother making the appeal? You are nullifying the scripture with your statement.

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I am completely incapable of nullifying the scripture. Do you really believe I am that powerful?

Minister Monardo said:

All you are doing is derailing the thread rather than just express
your position on the Resurrection, which is the topic of the thread.

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The resurrection cannot be nullified by neglecting to include it in your gospel sales pitch.

Minister Monardo said:

Then what of the Resurrection? Flesh, right? Fulfilling the scriptures.

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Agreed. Although, not quite like what we know as flesh. We can't just appear behind locked doors. Nonetheless, we do eat fish. So yes, not a ghost.

Minister Monardo said:

The topic is the Resurrection. You don't see it.

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Sorry. God is completely capable of saving someone with no mention whatsoever about the resurrection. True or false?

Minister Monardo said:

Then how will it be included in their confession of Faith? If you choose to omit it from your "pitch"
that is up to you. I have made a case based on the testimony of the New Testament to include
this Truth. Obviously, I can't make you comply.

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There is a vast difference between the formalities of a "proper" confession of faith and the transformational power of God in the life of the person who is entering a new relationship with their Savior.

This is why we have classes for new believers with ridiculous names like: Know What You Believe. (we have to tell them because they have no clue)

Minister Monardo said:

True for you, False for me. Is that a problem? Maybe you are not called to present the Gospel.
If you are, you don't seem to have a handle on what you would present to the hearer. I choose
to share that God sent His Son to die for us, to demonstrate His Love for sinners, and made proof
of this by raising Him from the dead. To you, unessential. To the apostles of the New Testament,
it was central. Time will tell.

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False, you say?
God is completely incapable of saving someone with no mention whatsoever about the resurrection? Wow.

Doesn't that make the evangelist the Savior somehow? That he can assembly the words in such a way as to save a human soul? And he better check his list to be sure everything was covered. Otherwise, NO DEAL! (illegal contract)

Frankly, it matters little what I say. When God shows up, he will do what is necessary. My role is very minor. I am there as a fellow human to assure them that this is all okay. This is the way.

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Sorry. God is completely capable of saving someone with no mention whatsoever about the resurrection. True or false?

I think the resurrection did actually happen - it's not an analogy or a poetical image - and this is an immensely comforting fact which can give us hope in this life and for the next. I don't know the mechanics though of how it achieves our salvation, I just take it that it was a necessary act but I think it will always remain somewhat of a mystery. As to whether we have to intellectually belief in the ressurection to be saved, I personally think that God would not put this demand on us. Probably many people are unable to belief in it however much they'd like to because it is, after all, a supernatural event and some people will dismiss it simply on those grounds. I don't think that's an unreasonable poistion to hold, even though I don't agree with it, because we live in a society in which science and technology has given us many great things so it's quite natural (though incorrect) to think that if something cannot be scientifically demonstrated to be true then it isn't really true - it's just our fantasy or wishful thinking. I can't believe that the loving God of the Bible will condemn someone to hell simply for believing the cultural mores of their times.

The claims being made in the OP and continuing throughout this topic are legalistic nonsense. As if the gospel message is to be constructed like a house of cards that could tumble if we so much as breathe on it.

The topic title: Belief In The Resurrection Is Essential To Saving Faith

My response: No. Doctrine cannot save anyone. Only God can do that. And he needs little to no help from us. He will however entrust a new convert to his church. And we may be there to assist someone in coming to the Lord in the first place. But God is very capable of saving a soul without our assistance, or a carefully worded contract.

Minister Monardo said:

What is the Gospel message?

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Since your intention is to codify it, I will not play along.

The message should fit the situation, rather than be a memorized sales pitch.

Describe a situation and I will provide an appropriate gospel message.