Belief In The Resurrection Is Essential To Saving Faith

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
I am stating that if modern Evangelism has come to omit this original apostolic message ...

Why do you assume (fear) it is being omitted from "modern Evangelism"?

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
Paul says without the Resurrection your Faith is vain.

Jesus took care of that. We can't undo it with a blundered gospel presentation. - lol

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
I am not sure how you present the Gospel to an unbeliever, but Romans 10:9, 10 would be appropriate. If you feel that is a doctrine of some denomination, I can only assume you have another way. John 3:16 for example.

I don't think people appreciate a slick sales presentation version of the gospel. I would more likely ask a person to let me pray that God would reveal himself to them. Then leave it in God's hands. Do you think God would not honor their honest desire to meet him?

What did the Apostle want our faith to rest on? Persuasive words? (nope)

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 NIV
My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Why do you assume (fear) it is being omitted from "modern Evangelism"?

That the confession of Faith includes the Resurrection from the dead, since it is central to
the "original Evangelism".

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Jesus took care of that. We can't undo it with a blundered gospel presentation. - lol

So your position is that the Gospel Message is no longer essential,
as everyone knows who Jesus is? There is a difference between a blundered Gospel Message
and no gospel message. LOL

GraceBro · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
The First Correction For Moving Forward
Mark 16:
9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first
to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.
10 She went and told those who had been with Him,
as they mourned and wept.
11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her,
they did not believe.
12 After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked
and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.
14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked
their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those
who had seen Him after He had risen.

If The Dead Do Not Rise They Are Dead In Their Sins
1 Corinthians 15:
12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do
some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God
that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

Believe In Your Heart, Confess With Your Mouth
Romans 10:
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your
heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession
is made unto salvation.

Salvation is the restoration of the life of God once lost in Adam, now received in Christ Jesus through His resurrection.

"For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!" Romans 5:10

"And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." 1 Corinthians 15:14

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:10

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." John 11:25

"But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved." Ephesians 2:4-5

"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins..." Colossians 2:13

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
What did the Apostle want our faith to rest on? Persuasive words? (nope)

There was nothing in the OP that stated otherwise.

Saint Steven said:
I would more likely ask a person to let me pray that God would reveal himself to them. Then leave it in God's hands. Do you think God would not honor their honest desire to meet him?

Are you always this generic? All authority has been given to the Son. If they honestly desire
to meet God, you need to introduce them to His Son. How is it you do not know this?
Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son
except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the
Son wills to reveal Him.
Ah, so it is the Son's Will, not ours, not theirs.
John 5:
22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor
the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

This is what an aversion to doctrine gets you. A lack of sound doctrine.

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
That the confession of Faith includes the Resurrection from the dead, since it is central to
the "original Evangelism".

That's all fine and good.

The point I am making is that salvation does not depend on us getting it right. It doesn't depend on correct doctrine, or a slick and complete presentation of the gospel.

It is the connection of a living soul with their creator. A relationship restored. Whatever that looks like. A human being having an encounter with the living God. Salvation testimonies are as varied as the people who share them.

People aren't saved on an assembly line by an approved gospel machine.

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
How is it you do not know this?

I have abandoned Evangelicalism. I don't play that game any more.

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
This is what an aversion to doctrine gets you. A lack of sound doctrine.

Doctrine is man made. You are depending on yourself to see people get saved.

You are not the source of salvation, God is.

public hermit · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
The point I am making is that salvation does not depend on us getting it right. It doesn't depend on correct doctrine, or a slick and complete presentation of the gospel.

I agree. It turns the means (the gospel presentation) into the end. The faith becomes more about the presentation than the Person. How Christ encounters another is not bound by the presentation. We have a calling to proclaim Christ in word and deed, but how people get there is wide open.

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
People aren't saved on an assembly line by an approved gospel machine.

That assembly line being the Acts of the Apostles? The epistles? Your aversion to doctrine
is reflected in your unwillingness to support your position with scripture. At least PH is agreeing
with you. Are you two a tag team? Do you think you will wear me down with opinion? If you can't support your position with the scriptures because that involves too much doctrine, you should go
move on. All you have really proved is that you do not believe the Resurrection is essential
to the Gospel Message. Agree to disagree. All opinion aside, the scriptures cited support the OP
position on the importance of this Truth. God raised Jesus Christ from the dead to prove that
He is what He claimed, the Son of God, for which He was crucified.
John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that believing you may have life in His name.

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

People are already saved anyway. They just don't know it yet.

2 Corinthians 5:18-20 NIV
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

public hermit · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
Are you two a tag team?

No, we just agree.

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
Are you two a tag team?

If you get an avatar with sunglasses you can join the team. That is the only requirement. - lol

Saint Steven · Apr 18, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
Do you think you will wear me down with opinion?

No. Your mind is made up. We probably will not persuade you with the facts. - lol

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
Doctrine is man made. You are depending on yourself to see people get saved.

You are not the source of salvation, God is.

The Gospel of God is! Your words testify against yourself. How are you not presenting your own
doctrine? I agree, you are not the source of Salvation and cannot be, for you do not accept sound
apostolic doctrine for Salvation.
Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation
for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
No. Your mind is made up. We probably will not persuade you with the facts. - lol

Your opinions are not facts. The Gospel is Truth. Not LOLing.

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

public hermit said:
No, we just agree.

Do you agree that Christ came in the flesh?

Mr. M · Apr 18, 2021

Saint Steven said:
If you get an avatar with sunglasses you can join the team. That is the only requirement. - lol

I prefer the Light.

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