ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

JLB777 · Apr 18, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
According to the scriptures everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant

Please show us where Jesus or His apostles gave these requirements for the Sabbath to the Church.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

The reason you won’t find these Sabbath requirements in the New Testament is because something has changed. We are not under the law of Moses.

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12

Unless you can show us specific instructions from Jesus or His Apostles as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath, then you are living under man made guidelines and condemning others to do the same.

Here is what the Apostle Paul teaches us about the law and the Sabbath.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17

JLB

JLB777 · Apr 18, 2021

imge said:
The question was answered in detail, but you can’t force someone to “hear” what they don’t want to.

Please show us where in the New Testament it refers to the “10” Commandments?

SabbathBlessings · Apr 18, 2021

JLB777 said:
Please show us where in the New Testament it refers to the “10” Commandments?

For starters, your signature quote...

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2021

JLB777 said:
You said the Sabbath begins at sunset.
You didn’t mention any particular day. Again which day is the Sabbath? When does it begin; on which day? JLB

The seventh day of the week starting evening to evening in Gods time; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:32 (Friday evening to Saturday evening) already answered elsewhere. This is repetition please see post # 390 linked.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2021

JLB777 said:
It’s sad that a simple question can seem to be answered.

According to Isaiah, Jesus and Paul some answers to questions that are asked will not be received by those who do not want to hear and see the answers that are provided in the scriptures. At this point all that can be done is to leave those who do not want to see and hear God's Word to their own devices`as we all appear before God come judgement day and will be judged for the words of God we accept or reject.

JLB777 said:
The answer is no. The Church is not required to observe the Sabbath as required by the law of Moses. One would think, if keeping the Sabbath correctly was so crucial to ones salvation that one could easily find specific instructions from Jesus or His Apostles, as to how to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant, since we are no longer under the law of Moses.

Thank you for sharing your view. According to the scriptures though the answer is yes as all of God's 10 commandments in including Gods' Sabbath which is the one of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for Christian living (scripture support here). James also agreeing when he says that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin.

According to Paul in Hebrews 10:26-31 all those practice known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) are in danger of the judgement because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace.

John also agreeing with Paul in 1 John 2:3-4 where he says those who knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments do not know God and sin is the difference between those who claim to know God and those who do not in 1 John 3:6-10. God's Word does not teach anywhere that we can continue in known unrepentant sin and enter into Gods' Kingdom *Matthew 7:21-23.

JLB777 said:
We must ask for specific scriptural statements from Jesus or His Apostles, as to how the Church is required to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant, since some organizations claim that eternal damnation will result for the one who doesn’t “keep the Sabbath”, the 4th Commandment.

As posted earlier according to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word he expects us to believe and follow it. *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. Keeping in mind that Gods people have been keeping God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures for 4000 years (Exodus 20:8-11) to say that Jesus did not teach the Church anything about the Sabbath does not agree with the scriptures.

For example, we see Jesus teaching us in Matthew 12:1-12 in contradiction to the Scribes and the Pharisees that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in contradiction to the religious teachers of the day accusing him of breaking the Sabbath. Jesus also teaches us that he is the creator and Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8 and Mark 2:28 and that he made the Sabbath which disagrees with your teaching in Mark 2:27.

So to say that Jesus did not teach anything to the Church in regards to the Sabbath is simply not biblical. In fact Jesus and the Apostles all through the new testament teach us that every one of God's 10 commandments are a requirement for Christian living (scriptures support here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here).

Then we can go a step further and sum up the very words of Paul in Hebrews 4:9 where he says Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath. So it is not biblical to claim that Jesus and the Apostles did not teach the church anything about the Sabbath. Sorry dear friend as proven above the scriptures here disagree with you.

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Sorry dear friend we will have to agree to disagree. I do not believe your teachings are biblical as shown in the scriptures above. Thanks for sharing your view though but for me only God's Word is truth and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2021

JLB777 said:
Please show us where Jesus or His apostles gave these requirements for the Sabbath to the Church.Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.” Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

Now why would Jesus need to give the church these scriptures when the church already knew and were practicing these old testament scriptures for over 4000 years? The new testament scripture already show God's people were putting into practice the preparation day instructions before the Sabbath of Exodus 16:23-30.

This is called the preparation day before the Sabbath in the new testament scriptures (see Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14; John 19:42). Sorry your question here does not make any sense. Why would Jesus teach the Church about the preparation day before the Sabbath when they were already keeping it and already knew about it from the very scripture you provided here?

JLB777 said:
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:12-15.

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

According to the scriptures the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant which is given by God to His people as shown in the next verse you left out in Exodus 31:16. In the new covenant God's Israel are no longer those born of the flesh but those born of the Spirit who have been born again into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29.

In the old covenant nation of Israel according to the scriptures if anyone was openly caught breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments (not just the Sabbath commandment) they were to be put to death.

These death penalties were not unique to the Sabbath but were also applied to all of God’s 10 commandments and were a part of the civil laws of Moses to help teach God’s people that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) The same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught breaking 1st . Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20); 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15); 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16); 4th yep; 5th commandment and cursing there Mother and farther (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17); 6th commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33); 7th commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5) etc.

The death penalties for open sin ceased during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman law and at the death of Christ bringing in the NC. The death penalty is still in force today for those that do not repent before the time of judgement is finished (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12).

The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death and we are not in the nation of ISRAEL. The death penalty for sin is still the same however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *Romans 6:23 but JESUS says Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12

JLB777 said:
‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10. The reason you won’t find these Sabbath requirements in the New Testament is because something has changed. We are not under the law of Moses. For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12

Burnt offerings and drink offerings are not a requirement for the Sabbath in the new covenant and neither are they a requirement according to Gods’ 4th commandment in the new covenant as the “shadow laws” for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary service, animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and the Feast days etc) are all fulfilled in the body of Christ to who they all pointed to and are continued in according to the scriptures (Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22) based on better promises in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6. Today Jesus is now our great high Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man *Hebrews 8:2 who is also God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 9:1-28; Hebrews 10:14-24; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 10:10-12; 1 Peter 2:24; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 4:10. Jesus as our true sacrifice for the sins of the world. So anything here associated with the old covenant Levitical Priesthood and Sanctuary service and laws for remission of sins are no longer applicable for us today in the new covenant.

More to come...

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2021

JLB777 said:
Here is what the Apostle Paul teaches us about the law and the Sabbath. having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17

Not really dear friend but allow me to show why your claims here are not biblical according to the scriptures. The context of Colossians 2:16 is Colossians 2:11-15 which is discussing the “shadow laws of “circumcision” and baptism which in the new covenant are physical signs of a new heart to love and being dead to sin and alive to Christ (see Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 2:28-29; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 6:1-23).

Colossians 2:14 continues the discussion saying “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” The hand-writing in ordinances is not a reference to God’s 10 commandments but the laws for remission of sins and the penalty for sins from the Mosaic “shadow laws” of the old covenant that we discussed earlier that are now fulfilled in the “body of Christ” *Colossians 2:17 (e.g. Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary service, the animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and the annual Feast days).

For your interest the Greek words used for the hand-writing in “ordinances” is to “civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws not Gods’ 10 commandments. As the Greek words used here is δόγμα (dogma).

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1378
δόγμα (dógma | dog'-mah) Derivation: from the base of G1380;
Strong's: a law that is civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical
KJV: —decree, ordinance.

The Sabbath and God’s 10 commandments are not civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws but moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man. So reference to God’s 10 commandnments are not the topic of context to Colossians 2:16 but the context is to the ceremonial Mosiac “shadow law” that are fulfilled in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17

The Sabbath (God's 4th commandment) was not included as a "shadow law" in Colossians 2:16. It is to the scripture and chapter contexts which is sabbath{s} plural to sabbaths {Genitive neuter plural} in the annual Feast days. The Greek word here σάββατον (sabbaton) is the plural application to the context of course which is the meat and drink offerings and the new moons that determine the seasons (Genesis 1:14) pointing to the Feast days and their sabbaths of the old covenant which were a shadow of things to come *Colossians 2:17.

That is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the Feast days that are the shadows of things to come not Gods' 4th commandment. There were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant promise. None of these however are in reference to Gods' weekly Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11.

These annual shadow sabbaths connected to the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36.

It is impossible that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to God's 4th commandment as it a part of the "finished work of creation" *Genesis 2:1-3. There was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation for unfallen man when the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3. Now notice something very important. God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17 it points backward (Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy - Exodus 20:8). Gods 4th commandment points backwards because it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and the celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth...

Lets look at the commandment that points backward not forwards...

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> {Because it is a memorial looking back to the finished work of creation that JESUS made it a Holy day of rest for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day} [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God {This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is;

The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK}: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. {Reference is backward not forward to Genesis 2:1-3}

Therefore, it is impossible for God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath to be a "shadow law" as all the "shadow laws" are laws to do with God's plan of salvation from sin after the fall of mankind from the Mosaic book of the law. God's Sabbath was created when there was no sin, no fall, no law and no plan of salvation because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. – So there is nothing there in reference to Gods’ 4th commandment not being a requirement for Christian living in the new testament.

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So in summary we should believe the teachings of Jesus in Mathew 5:17-20 and Paul when he says in Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Jesus did not come to abolish the law and the prophets he came to magnify them and make them honorable according to the prophecy of Isaiah (Isaiah 42:21; Matthew 5:17-28). According to Jesus unless we are born again into God’s new covenant promise to love we cannot enter into God’s kingdom because according to John those who are born again to walk in God’s Spirit do not practice sin (knowingly breaking God’s commandments) *Galatians 5:16; 1 John 3:6-9. Those who practice sin according to John do not know God according to 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6 who agrees with Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23 and we know that James tells us that if we knowingly break anyone of God’s 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 we stand guilty before God of sin. According to Paul in Hebrews 10:26-31 those who reject God’s Word in order to continue in known unrepentant sin are in danger of the judgement.

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SOME QUESTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION

All your many questions have been answered with a detailed scripture response in this thread and elsewhere in past threads. Now I have a few questions now for you so before we can continue the discussion that I would like you to answer and provide scripture for. I will also have a few other questions latter. Let's start with these scriptures here...

1. Where in the bible does it say that God’s 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest?

2. Are we in a saved state before God if we reject Gods’ Word once we have been given a knowledge of the truth in order to continue in known unrepentant sin?

Look forward to your response.

JLB777 · Apr 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
The seventh day of the week starting evening to evening in Gods time; (Friday evening to Saturday evening)

I agree

JLB777 · Apr 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
According to Isaiah, Jesus and Paul some answers to questions that are asked will not be received by those who do not want to hear and see the answers that are provided in the scriptures. At this point all that can be done is to leave those who do not want to see and hear God's Word to their own devices`as we all appear before God come judgement day and will be judged for the words of God we accept or reject.

Thank you for sharing your view. According to the scriptures though the answer is yes as all of God's 10 commandments in including Gods' Sabbath which is the one of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for Christian living (scripture support here). James also agreeing when he says that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin.

According to Paul in Hebrews 10:26-31 all those practice known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments) are in danger of the judgement because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace.

John also agreeing with Paul in 1 John 2:3-4 where he says those who knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments do not know God and sin is the difference between those who claim to know God and those who do not in 1 John 3:6-10. God's Word does not teach anywhere that we can continue in known unrepentant sin and enter into Gods' Kingdom *Matthew 7:21-23.

As posted earlier according to the scriptures in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word he expects us to believe and follow it. *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. Keeping in mind that Gods people have been keeping God's 4th commandment according to the scriptures for 4000 years (Exodus 20:8-11) to say that Jesus did not teach the Church anything about the Sabbath does not agree with the scriptures.

For example, we see Jesus teaching us in Matthew 12:1-12 in contradiction to the Scribes and the Pharisees that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in contradiction to the religious teachers of the day accusing him of breaking the Sabbath. Jesus also teaches us that he is the creator and Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8 and Mark 2:28 and that he made the Sabbath which disagrees with your teaching in Mark 2:27.

So to say that Jesus did not teach anything to the Church in regards to the Sabbath is simply not biblical. In fact Jesus and the Apostles all through the new testament teach us that every one of God's 10 commandments are a requirement for Christian living (scriptures support here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here).

Then we can go a step further and sum up the very words of Paul in Hebrews 4:9 where he says Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath. So it is not biblical to claim that Jesus and the Apostles did not teach the church anything about the Sabbath. Sorry dear friend as proven above the scriptures here disagree with you.

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Sorry dear friend we will have to agree to disagree. I do not believe your teachings are biblical as shown in the scriptures above. Thanks for sharing your view though but for me only God's Word is truth and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

Unless you can show us specific instructions from Jesus or His Apostles as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath, then you are living under man made guidelines and condemning others to do the same.

Here is what the Apostle Paul teaches us about the law and the Sabbath.

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17

JLB

JLB777 · Apr 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
The Sabbath (God's 4th commandment) was not included as a "shadow law" in Colossians 2:16.

Nothing here that states sabbaths were not a shadow of things to come. Verse 17 plainly says that sabbaths were indeed a shadow of things to come.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Colossians 2:16-17

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Keeping sabbaths as mandated by the law of Moses is not required in the New Testament.

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Apr 21, 2021

JLB777 said:
Unless you can show us specific instructions from Jesus or His Apostles as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath, then you are living under man made guidelines and condemning others to do the same.

Nonsense. Post with the scriptures have already been provided to you. Seems you must have missed them. Here let me help you again. You were provided many scriptures earlier in post # 380 linked that are instructions from Jesus as to how to keep the Sabbath in the new covenant. As shown in the new covenant scriptures Jesus came to teach us that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in Matthew 12:1-12; That he is Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind in Mark 2:27-28. That he did not come to abolish any of the 10 commandments in Matthew 5:17-19. Paul warns us in Hebrews 3:8-19 and Hebrews 4:1-12 that if we do not believe and follow Gods' Word we cannot enter into God's seventh day Sabbath rest and that it remains for the people of God who believe and follow Gods' Word to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9. James also telling us that if we break God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that we stand guilty before God of breaking all of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11.

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:3-12 [3] But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him;[4], How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[6] But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. [7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. [9], And when he was departed there, he went into their synagogue: [10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Jesus is the Lord of and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind!

Mark 2:27-28 [27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:[28], Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

All of the above and much more was already provided to you. Take your time to read the scriptures shared with you from the first post.

Paul says that the Sabbath keeping still remains for God's people!

Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

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Let me ask you a question now. Is it a sin to break anyone of God's 10 commandments?

JLB777 said:
Here is what the Apostle Paul teaches us about the law and the Sabbath. having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17 JLB

Your repeating yourself. Your claims here have already been shown to be in error already being answered with a detailed scripture response in post # 427 linked. If you disagree please address the linked post showing why you disagree with the scriptures. As shown through the linked post already Colossians 2:16 is in regards to the annual sabbaths in the Feast days not Gods 4th commandment.

Your welcome :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Apr 21, 2021

JLB777 said:
Nothing here that states sabbaths were not a shadow of things to come. Verse 17 plainly says that sabbaths were indeed a shadow of things to come.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Colossians 2:16-17

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Keeping sabbaths as mandated by the law of Moses is not required in the New Testament

JLB

Not according to the scriptures dear friend. Your mixing up the annual shadow sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days. Perhaps you can try reading the rest of post # 427 that proves your claims here are in error. If you disagree your welcome to show why you disagree. All you have done here is to repeat yourself without addressing the linked post that shows why your in error in regards to your interpretation of Colossians 2:16.

As posted earlier for example, it is impossible that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to God's 4th commandment as it a part of the "finished work of creation" *Genesis 2:1-3. There was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation for unfallen man when the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3. Now notice something very important.

God's 4th commandment does not point forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17 it points backward (Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy - Exodus 20:8). Gods 4th commandment points backwards because it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and the celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth...

Lets look at the commandment that points backward not forwards...

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> {Because it is a memorial looking back to the finished work of creation that JESUS made it a Holy day of rest for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day} [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God {This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is;

The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK}: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT. {Reference is backward not forward to Genesis 2:1-3}

Therefore, it is impossible for God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath to be a "shadow law" as all the "shadow laws" are laws to do with God's plan of salvation from sin after the fall of mankind from the Mosaic book of the law. God's Sabbath was created when there was no sin, no fall, no law and no plan of salvation because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. – So there is nothing there in reference to Gods’ 4th commandment not being a requirement for Christian living in the new testament.

Let's be careful to read the scriptures in their contexts.

The context of Colossians 2:16 is Colossians 2:11-15 which is discussing the “shadow laws of “circumcision” and baptism which in the new covenant are physical signs of a new heart to love and being dead to sin and alive to Christ (see Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 2:28-29; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Romans 6:1-23).

Colossians 2:14 continues the discussion saying “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” The hand-writing in ordinances is not a reference to God’s 10 commandments but the laws for remission of sins and the penalty for sins from the Mosaic “shadow laws” of the old covenant that we discussed earlier that are now fulfilled in the “body of Christ” *Colossians 2:17 (e.g. Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary service, the animal sacrifices and sin offerings, circumcision and the annual Feast days).

For your interest the Greek words used for the hand-writing in “ordinances” is to “civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws not Gods’ 10 commandments. As the Greek words used here is δόγμα (dogma).

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1378
δόγμα (dógma | dog'-mah) Derivation: from the base of G1380;
Strong's: a law that is civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical
KJV: —decree, ordinance.

The Sabbath and God’s 10 commandments are not civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws but moral laws of our duty of love to God and our fellow man. So reference to God’s 10 commandnments are not the topic of context to Colossians 2:16 but the context is to the ceremonial Mosiac “shadow law” that are fulfilled in the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17

The Sabbath (God's 4th commandment) was not included as a "shadow law" in Colossians 2:16. It is to the scripture and chapter contexts which is sabbath{s} plural to sabbaths {Genitive neuter plural} in the annual Feast days. The Greek word here σάββατον (sabbaton) is the plural application to the context of course which is the meat and drink offerings and the new moons that determine the seasons (Genesis 1:14) pointing to the Feast days and their sabbaths of the old covenant which were a shadow of things to come *Colossians 2:17.

That is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the Feast days that are the shadows of things to come not Gods' 4th commandment. There were many different types of sabbaths in the old covenant that are fulfilled in the new covenant promise. None of these however are in reference to Gods' weekly Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11.

These annual shadow sabbaths connected to the Feast days included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36.

If you disagree your welcome to show why you disagree. Repeating yourself without addressing why does not really help the discussion here.

JLB777 · Apr 22, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Nonsense. Post with the scriptures have already been provided to you.

You have never provided one single verse from Jesus whereby He gave specific instructions for the Church to observe the Sabbath.

Not one.

We have seen you repeatedly post your opinion but no scripture.

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ.

...sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Colossians 2:16-17

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Keeping sabbaths as mandated by the law of Moses is not required in the New Testament

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Apr 22, 2021

JLB777 said:
You have never provided one single verse from Jesus whereby He gave specific instructions for the Church to observe the Sabbath.

Not one.

We have seen you repeatedly post your opinion but no scripture.

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ.

...sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.Colossians 2:16-17

Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Keeping sabbaths as mandated by the law of Moses is not required in the New Testament

JLB

According to the scriptures in Isaiah 6:9-10 some choose not to hear and see God's Word when it disagrees with their teachings. We should all pray that we do not find ourselves in this group of people that deny our Lord's words in order to disobey what God's Word says.

You were provided scripture showing what Jesus and the Apostles taught in regards to the Sabbath commandment in post # 431 linked which you simply ignored. You made claims that Colossians 2:16 says that the Sabbath is no more when you were shown in post # 432 linked that the scripture says no such thing. Your response once again is to ignore the scriptures provided in these posts that disagree with your claims here and to simply deny and repeat yourself while ignoring the scriptures in the linked posts shared with you that disagree with you without showing why you disagree.

Both linked post provided above show scripture proving your claims in your post here as untruthful. Your response is only to ignore these posts and to repeat yourself. So my response to you then dear friend is that we will agree to disagree because ignoring God's Words does not make them disappear. You of course are free to believe as you wish.

According to the scriptures in John 12:47-48 we will all answer to God for the Words of God we accept or reject. Let's pray that we do not find ourselves among those who refuse to hear and see God's Word foretold in Isaiah 6:9-10 and repeated by Jesus in Matthew 13:14-15 and by Paul in Acts of the Apostles 28:25-27 and find ourselves turning away from God by not believing and following His Words. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Thank you for the conversation.

JLB777 · Apr 23, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
You were provided scripture showing what Jesus and the Apostles taught in regards to the Sabbath commandment in post # 431 linked which you simply ignored.

There is no specific instructions in post 431.

Doing good is vague and is to be done on any day of the week.

Sorry, but there is nothing about specifically not cooking, not traveling, attending church on Saturday rather than Sunday, or any of the SDA requirements that EG White has mandated that Christians must do or go to hell.

You have ignored repeatedly my question for specific instructions, because your post DOES NOT ADDRESS MY QUESTION. You are known by everyone here for ignoring the actual question and posting your stock cut and paste SDA propaganda.

Since the law of Moses was abolished, we must have clear specific instructions from Jesus as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Where does Jesus or His apostles say:

No cooking on the Sabbath
No travel on the Sabbath
No building a fire on the Sabbath
No making your bed on the Sabbath
You must prepare food the day before
You must attend church on Saturday

What do you personally believe the Church must specifically do or not do on the Sabbath to avoid being disobedient to God, which is a sin?

JLB

Studyman · Apr 23, 2021

JLB777 said:
There is no specific instructions in post 431.

Doing good is vague and is to be done on any day of the week.

Sorry, but there is nothing about specifically not cooking, not traveling, attending church on Saturday rather than Sunday, or any of the SDA requirements that EG White has mandated that Christians must do or go to hell.

You have ignored repeatedly my question for specific instructions, because your post DOES NOT ADDRESS MY QUESTION. You are known by everyone here for ignoring the actual question and posting your stock cut and paste SDA propaganda.

Since the law of Moses was abolished, we must have clear specific instructions from Jesus as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Where does Jesus or His apostles say:

No cooking on the Sabbath
No travel on the Sabbath
No building a fire on the Sabbath
No making your bed on the Sabbath
You must prepare food the day before
You must attend church on Saturday

What do you personally believe the Church must specifically do or not do on the Sabbath to avoid being disobedient to God, which is a sin?

JLB

Jesus said Moses gave the Law. He quoted from the Law and Prophets all the time. Why do you insist He must repeat His Fathers Commandments before you will honor Him in them?

It is written in the New Testament, "Moses gave the Law, Jesus gave Grace (forgiveness for transgressing the Law")

Jesus also said " If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

I find your argument for rejecting God's Commandment, including the ONE HE said was actually "made for man" lacking in Biblical Support. What did Moses give that Jesus wants us to hear, if it isn't the Law and Prophets?

JLB777 · Apr 25, 2021

Studyman said:
I find your argument for rejecting God's Commandment, including the ONE HE said was actually "made for man" lacking in Biblical Support. What did Moses give that Jesus wants us to hear, if it isn't the Law and Prophets?

Here is what Moses commanded concerning the Sabbath.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

JLB

Studyman · May 19, 2021

JLB777 said:
Here is what Moses commanded concerning the Sabbath.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

JLB

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

JLB777 · May 24, 2021

Studyman said:
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

What’s your point?

I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.

Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?

Here they are again.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10

Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

Studyman · May 24, 2021

JLB777 said:
What’s your point?

I gave you the scriptures from the law about the required sabbath commandments of that day.
Do you believe the Church is required to observe this commandments?
Here they are again.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30

God has a reason for creating His Sabbath for men. In part, it is to remind them that we are preparing in this life, for what comes after we die. Preparing food during the week, to partake of on Saturday is a perfectly reasonable and good way to keep our mind focused on what is important.

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

satan is against God's Sabbath for this very reason and uses religion to turn people away from HIS instruction, and towards worldly religious philosophies of men who despise and pollute God's Sabbaths.

For those who believe in the Christ of the Bible, who created all things including the Sabbath, they see what Isaiah is talking about.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

For those "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but live in lawlessness, they can not understand because we are saved by "Faith/belief", and they don't believe the Word's of the Christ.

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15

Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3

In your attempt to convince others to reject and pollute God's Sabbath, you choose to cherry pick scriptures in order to shed a bad light on God's Commandment you have Judged as unworthy of your respect. It is a popular religious tactic, and effective for those who do not put on the "Armor of God".

But if you were being honest, you would also present these scriptures.

Ex. 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Ex. 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

So I would ask you the question, "Do you believe the true Church of the Christ should lay with beasts? Smite their father? Kill other men? Steal men and sell them?

So why do you place yourself as a Judge of God's instructions? And more importantly, are you His Judge? Am I to listen to you and your judgments? Or should I "beware" of your religious philosophy and place my Faith in the Christ of the Bible?

I know you are simply furthering the teaching of modern, popular religions of this land. I am hoping you might consider all the warnings God and His Son gave you, specifically regarding religious men who call Jesus "Christ".

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36

"The wages of sin is death."

Rom. 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

How did Paul know what sin was? How did the Commandment come? Was it not through Moses and Joshua, and the Prophets? And did they all not all Spiritually stone Paul to death?

This is why I posted the Word's of Jesus instructing you to eat His Blood, without which no man shall be saved. Where did you find His Blood and Flesh to eat? Of course it is Spiritual, and you are fine with that, until God's Laws and Sabbath become the topic. Then you are not so willing to accept the Congregation stoning a man with "stones" is the same Spiritual language this same Christ used when HE instructed you to eat His Flesh.

It would make for a fascinating discussion, but you are here on a Jihad against God's Holy Sabbath, so sadly, no real discussion will be had.

‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10
Do you believe the Church should observe these Sabbath commandments?

You do know that the Lamb of God has come, Yes? You do know that the Levitical Priesthood was a temporary Covenant God made with Levi "because of transgressions", Till the Seed should come, Yes?

So why would I still be advocating the Sacrificial "works of the Law" of atonement of the Order of Aaron, when Jesus is my High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek?

So then for this reason, in God's True Church, unblemished Lambs are no longer sacrificed on God's Holy Sabbaths.

But we still don't kill folks, we still don't steal, and we still remember to Keep God's Sabbath Holy. At least Jesus and His Disciples did.

Do i believe i can Judge some of God's 10 Commandments as irrelevant and unworthy of my respect? NO! I don't. God created His Sabbath for my sake, no doubt. He had a reason to create it for me, just as HE had a reason for creating the Law " Thou shall not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the grain", or "Thou shall not kill".

I know the reason because I placed my Faith in Him and HIS Righteousness, and didn't listen to all the "other" religious voices in the garden, who do Judge God and some of His Laws.

For these reasons, I choose not to Judge God's Sabbath as unworthy of my respect.

ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

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