"America First" caucus "a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions"

mark46 · Apr 17, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Why does an agenda of "America first" have to be called racist? America is about all races. You would think doing what's best for your country is what all politicians would. What's wrong with these people?

Folks will look at the "America First" agenda and judge for themselves.

Populism need not be racist. It just usually turns out that way.

The America First movement in the US has a history.

Personally, I think that we can focus on the current Republican Party and their policies to define what the movement means.
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Folks can say that a no immigration policy isn't racist. It reads well as a bumper sticker.

Rachel20 · Apr 17, 2021

Arcangl86 said:
But the GOP leadership, who are the people who need to be bought in for any immigration change, are concerned with saving the GOP. They are not going to want to increase the demographics of people who aren't reliable GOP voters.

Seems immigration will be part of the platform based on the OPs article. I think it's a mistake. A lot of Trump supporters are still anti GOP establishment. I still remember the 8 years under Obama where GOP threw us under the bus. Trump or no Trump, that hasn't changed, which means a net loss of voters for them, if they're not willing to win new ones.

But, I think it's a rouse anyway. GOP wants cheap labor for their corporate donors.

Arcangl86 · Apr 17, 2021

Rachel20 said:
Seems immigration will be part of the platform based on the OPs article. I think it's a mistake. A lot of Trump supporters are still anti GOP establishment. I still remember the 8 years under Obama where GOP threw us under the bus. Trump or no Trump, that hasn't changed, which means a net loss of voters for them, if they're not willing to win new ones.

Here's the platform. https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/uploads/America-First-Caucus-Policy-Platform-FINAL-2.pdf

Immigration is part of the platform, in that they want to reduce immigration even more. And the talk of post 1965 immigrants is a huge dogwhistle, since it was the INA of 1965 that eliminated national quotas, which resulted in a shift from most north and west European immigrants to more from other parts of the world.

mark46 · Apr 17, 2021

Arcangl86 said:
What bills have Republicans proposed or passed to address police brutality? What worker's rights bills have they introduced? When did they introduce an increase to the minimum wage?

You define Republicans by your personal set of views of right and wrong. For example, under Trump, important criminal justice reform was passed.

Many conservative believe that the level of the minimum wage is a STATE issue, not a federal one. The minimum wage is often called (reasonably) a living wage. In what world should that level be the same in rural Wyoming as in New York City?

When Bush (both really) legislation was indeed passed. Under Jr, Medicare Part D was formed. Liberals and conservatives worked together from WWII through 2008 to pass legislation. Of course, the legislation was more liberal or conservative depending on who controlled the presidency and Congress.
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BUT LET TALK OF THE PRESENT SITUATION
Republican policy is controlled by Trump. The Democratic Party is controlled by Biden. Until there is a defection from one side or the other, there will be little working together for improved legislation. Biden has passed a lot on his own already and will pass more in the infrastructure bill, even when it becomes a bit smaller after negotiation with Manchin.

We'll see what the voters say in 2022. They will have very starkly different choices.

GreatLakes4Ever · Apr 17, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Why does an agenda of "America first" have to be called racist? America is about all races. You would think doing what's best for your country is what all politicians would. What's wrong with these people?

Because historically, America First has been used by racists. Here is a Twitter thread by a public humanities and American Literature professor at the University of London that goes through a quick history of it https://twitter.com/sarahchurchwell/status/1383379240809205772?s=21

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Why does an agenda of "America first" have to be called racist? America is about all races. You would think doing what's best for your country is what all politicians would. What's wrong with these people?

Probably because of, y'know, who used it last

It's not like those using it now are thaaaat much better

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

mark46 said:
???
no

Duh.

But y'know, about as 'Anglo-Saxon' as half the things people will spuriously claim to be uniquely Anglo-Saxon but aren't, which is sort of the point

TLK Valentine · Apr 17, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Why does an agenda of "America first" have to be called racist?

It doesn't have to be -- but racism isn't going to politely label itself as such for our convenience. I know if I were going to create a political group that used racism as a means to its end, I'd give it some innocuous and patriotic-sounding to throw people off the scent.

Plus, it should be noted that the original "America First" political party (formed back in 1943), was notoriously racist and anti-Semitic... If you take its name, people might mistakenly assume that you're following in their footsteps...assuming, of course, it is a mistake.

America is about all races. You would think doing what's best for your country is what all politicians would. What's wrong with these people?

I assume the position that every American -- politician or not -- wants "what's best" for America... we just have differing opinions as to precisely what that is. I'm of the opinion that what separates the two major political parties is their approach to how to fundamentally improve America -- top-down vs. bottom-up... but I digress.

The point is that there are too many people out there who think that a white hegemony would be "what's best" for America. We don't yet know for certain whether "America First" is going to appeal to them, but I don't see any good coming from deliberate attempts to do so.

Jay Sea · Apr 17, 2021

public hermit said:
"Conservative House of Representatives Republicans plan to form an "America First" caucus to promote the policies of ex-President Donald Trump and said on Friday the group would soon release a policy platform.

The platform promotes "a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions" and advocates for infrastructure with aesthetic value that "befits the progeny of European architecture," Punchbowl News reported on Friday."

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...america-first-caucus-raises-hackles-over-race

I come from the UK and the Angl-Saxons are long dead. It was a land of Romans, Angles, Brittons, Picts, Scotts, Vikings, Danes, French, German, Dutch etc.
It is a multi-person culture so why should it be diluted to just two. Strenght is in diversity.
In LOve
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Occams Barber · Apr 17, 2021

It looks like the America First crew is backing away from the idea following criticism from moderate conservatives.

America First Caucus Rejected By Right-Wing Freedom Caucus (forbes.com)

Marjorie Taylor Greene lashes out at media after backlash over controversial caucus (cnn.com)

OB

TLK Valentine · Apr 17, 2021

Occams Barber said:
It looks like the America First crew is backing away from the idea following criticism from moderate conservatives.

America First Caucus Rejected By Right-Wing Freedom Caucus (forbes.com)

Marjorie Taylor Greene lashes out at media after backlash over controversial caucus (cnn.com)

OB

Well of course -- they can backtrack, then claim it was never going to be as bad as all that in the first place.

They can blast the "Fake News" and "Liberal Media" with a wink and a nod to the racists and skinheads coming in through the back door. Win-win for them, really.

Gene2memE · Apr 17, 2021

mark46 said:
Folks will look at the "America First" agenda and judge for themselves.

Populism need not be racist. It just usually turns out that way.

The America First movement in the US has a history.

It's rather like setting up 'Germany First' caucas and using the slogan "Deutschland uber alles".

You could do it, but you'd really have to be deaf to history to want to try.

rjs330 · Apr 17, 2021

Arcangl86 said:
The fact that conservative politicians don't do anything to address these issues when they are in power is also part of it. They seem to care only when the Democrats have enough votes to pass something anyway, and even then they have a history of negotiating in bad faith.

Hmm... Now we're coming to it. The conservatives have done and offered quite a bit throughout the years. However the democrats aren't happy unless there are massive government spending equated with it. Or massive government control. For example safety nets. I don't know what more we can do as far as safety nets are concerned. We have all kinds of government programs and government spending. What conservative solutions do you have in regards to safety nets?

rjs330 · Apr 17, 2021

Arcangl86 said:
What bills have Republicans proposed or passed to address police brutality? What worker's rights bills have they introduced? When did they introduce an increase to the minimum wage?

What conservative solution do you support for addressing police brutality. Conservatives are far more thoughtful about the issue than "we gotta do something" crowd. Cause usually when we "do something" it's usually bad. Police brutality is already illegal. And police are already prosecuted for it. What's the conservative solution?

rjs330 · Apr 17, 2021

Rachel20 said:
Seems immigration will be part of the platform based on the OPs article. I think it's a mistake. A lot of Trump supporters are still anti GOP establishment. I still remember the 8 years under Obama where GOP threw us under the bus. Trump or no Trump, that hasn't changed, which means a net loss of voters for them, if they're not willing to win new ones.

But, I think it's a rouse anyway. GOP wants cheap labor for their corporate donors.

I'm not sure you have any evidence for that. That's always the claim, but its never back d up with actual facts. It's a talking point to slam the GOP of illegal immigration. What specific corporate GOP donors are using illegal immigrants and what's the evidence for them using them strictly cause they are cheap labor?

I don't know what you want the GOP to do exactly. We have laws against illegal crossing. What more should the GOP do to prevent them? Make it a felony? Throw them in jail for years? What?

Sabertooth · Apr 17, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Now that the right has seen what they can get away with...

Not when they lost the last race by such a small margin.

Shenanigans.

Subduction Zone · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
So we agree that the Republican Party isn't the party of the ultra-rich. Now, because the supposedly white suburbs are targets of the Harris-Biden administration, and most of those people would be considered rich if not super-rich, the number of "rich" people that the Republican Party allegedly represents has to be so small that the claim of the GOP being the party of the "rich" has to be false.

Your logic is faulty. The Republican party is still the party of the rich. Just because the very few ultra rich can see that the Republican party is not the way to go does not mean that the vast number of rich and wannabes are not Republican.

hislegacy · Apr 17, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
You're justifying fascism by claiming (correctly) that every race has practiced slavery.

Regardless of your race, it's an "interesting" argument, to say the least.

no, that is a wrong assumption on your part. I did not refer to, nor address facism.

There is only one party in the US that are very close movement towards facism, without the genocide typically attached.

Def
that exalts nation and

often race above the individuals and

that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatoriall eader,

severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

We are seeing right now are elements of:

1. exalting race above individuals. In our case, if you are not black or Asian you are largely ignored and if white, you are the cause of most of our woes

2. A centralized government. There are calls for the government to control almost every business, and area of life. From centralized health care, to centralized voting, to centralized calls to boycott businesses.

3. Severe economic and social regimentation. The government controls what privately owned businesses can open. When they should close, how many people you can have in your home. Every area of our lives in under some type of governmental control under the auspices of COVID-19

4. The forcible suppression of opposition. By removing the ability to conduct business, banning from media cites, sensorineural social platforms. All I’m the name of presenting the “truth” as they determine what truth is.

There are similarities to a fascist form of government emerging. I know that is going to ruffle some feathers, but it is not far fetched.

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
no, that is a wrong assumption on your part. I did not refer to, nor address facism.

There is only one party in the US that are very close movement towards facism, without the genocide typically attached.

Def
that exalts nation and

often race above the individuals and

that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatoriall eader,

severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

We are seeing right now are elements of:

1. exalting race above individuals. In our case, if you are not black or Asian you are largely ignored and if white, you are the cause of most of our woes

M8 this is a thread about a party reusing the 'America First' slogan and whinging about 'Anglo-Saxon values'

Please

2. A centralized government. There are calls for the government to control almost every business, and area of life. From centralized health care, to centralized voting, to centralized calls to boycott businesses.

As opposed to a government that is perfectly fine being centralised when denying women access to birth control, trans people to healthcare, and black people to cops who won't shoot them for trying to open a car door.

3. Severe economic and social regimentation. The government controls what privately owned businesses can open. When they should close, how many people you can have in your home. Every area of our lives in under some type of governmental control under the auspices of COVID-19

Yeah, this disease exists, it's a big one, so unique measures are needed. This isn't fascism. Democracies take special measures in special circumstances.

4. The forcible suppression of opposition. By removing the ability to conduct business, banning from media cites, sensorineural social platforms. All I’m the name of presenting the “truth” as they determine what truth is.

I'd invite you to go on Parler sometime and challenge conservative talking points, or generally just troll. The idea that suppressing speech is a uniquely left-wing thing was nonsense before, and it's nonsense now.

There are similarities to a fascist form of government emerging. I know that is going to ruffle some feathers, but it is not far fetched.

nah m8 it's still the people reusing fash slogans from 80 years ago :wave:

Occams Barber · Apr 17, 2021

A question from an ignorant Australian.

The America First group is described as a (Big C) Caucus. I had assumed an informal group of like minded people however, I've since read that the First America Caucus was not yet officially 'registered' suggesting that a (Big C) Caucus was a formally recognised political entity.

What is a Caucus and how does it relate to the Senate/House of Reps and a particular political party?

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