Opposition to Vaccination

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Kylie

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I didn't. I'm sure I see safety different than a lot of people. Dad was a very safety conscience person, but we cut firewood with no protective gear and nobody wore bicycle helmets and such then. We never wore seat belts back then either. I just came in from running the chainsaw and pulling around trees with the tractor. I still don't wear hard hats and stuff. Not recommended, but safety to me is awareness of your surroundings and having life skills. We have a culture now that sees it backwards. Gear up for everything but learn your skills from youtube...

Yes you did.

You gave the two options: "We can all sit at home wrapped in bubble wrap or we can live while we are able."
 
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Yes you did.

You gave the two options: "We can all sit at home wrapped in bubble wrap or we can live while we are able."
Which is true. It's an internet forum, abbreviation rules. I'm not going to write a text paper on every subject.
 
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There are many people who are opposed to vaccination. Some say that it doesn't work, others say that it causes harm*, or autism.

If you are against vaccination, what evidence do you have to support your position?

* By this, I mean greater harm than is typical for a medical procedure. I know there is a very small chance of harm arising from receiving a vaccine, and that's not what I'm talking about here.

I am generally pro vaccination, my kids had all the very needed ones like diphtheria, whooping cough, polio and the MMR. I have a son on the spectrum and no I do not believe vaccinations cause autism. If you go on an autism board for parents you will find 99% of parents feel this way. Only occasionally will someone come in claiming the MMR caused their child's autism. So first lets not generalize because we all know generalizations are going to be wrong. People are complex and they don't always follow those neat paths.

So yes I am against wide spread push of the COVID vaccination.
Point one because I do not believe it has been tested enough. At the start of this pandemic you will find experts saying 3-5 years for a vaccine, the fact it is not even been 2 years is concerning. I think it should still be under trial with only the young and healthy (and non pregnant) taking it.

Point 2 is I watched a a very interesting video by one of the experts some months back -which is no longer there. So no I can't show any evidence but she raised some good and concerning points. Which goes back to point one, I think more trials are needed.

Point 3 is personal. One of my friends just took it and had severe side effects. Nausea, dizziness, heart palpitations and trouble breathing. The breathing issue was very scary. She is someone who is not young or healthy but she felt pushed to get it anyway due to her job. That should not be a thing. People should not be under pressure or coercion.

For me also as someone who isn't young or healthy, there is enough of a concern for me to be against it right now. I may change my view at some later point but for now I won't be taking it.

"Yes, vaccines can cause harm, but then again, so can getting out of the bath."

That depends on the person and their own individual risk factors. If you are young and limber your risk factor for getting out of the bath is close to zero. If you are older and frail your risk goes up.
 
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You said you were here to "share the gospel" which lies outside the purpose of the Science section of CF. I'm here to talk about science and pseudoscience. (I occasionally get pulled into politics, but I am not interested in theology.)
You seem determined to keep this flap jack on the griddle. I was simply answering another question. I said I am willing to share the gospel with anyone who’s willing to hear it, but that doesn’t necessarily mean in this thread.
 
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I am generally pro vaccination, my kids had all the very needed ones like diphtheria, whooping cough, polio and the MMR. I have a son on the spectrum and no I do not believe vaccinations cause autism. If you go on an autism board for parents you will find 99% of parents feel this way. Only occasionally will someone come in claiming the MMR caused their child's autism. So first lets not generalize because we all know generalizations are going to be wrong. People are complex and they don't always follow those neat paths.

So yes I am against wide spread push of the COVID vaccination.
Point one because I do not believe it has been tested enough. At the start of this pandemic you will find experts saying 3-5 years for a vaccine, the fact it is not even been 2 years is concerning. I think it should still be under trial with only the young and healthy (and non pregnant) taking it.

Point 2 is I watched a a very interesting video by one of the experts some months back -which is no longer there. So no I can't show any evidence but she raised some good and concerning points. Which goes back to point one, I think more trials are needed.

Point 3 is personal. One of my friends just took it and had severe side effects. Nausea, dizziness, heart palpitations and trouble breathing. The breathing issue was very scary. She is someone who is not young or healthy but she felt pushed to get it anyway due to her job. That should not be a thing. People should not be under pressure or coercion.

For me also as someone who isn't young or healthy, there is enough of a concern for me to be against it right now. I may change my view at some later point but for now I won't be taking it.

"Yes, vaccines can cause harm, but then again, so can getting out of the bath."

That depends on the person and their own individual risk factors. If you are young and limber your risk factor for getting out of the bath is close to zero. If you are older and frail your risk goes up.
Its easy to take that position when one lives in a country with a proportionally miniscule (population-wise) number of infections .. which won't last once International travel resumes...
 
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Which is true. It's an internet forum, abbreviation rules. I'm not going to write a text paper on every subject.

So you can't communicate clearly, and then it's my fault when your position is misunderstood. Something else I've often seen on the internet.
 
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Point one because I do not believe it has been tested enough. At the start of this pandemic you will find experts saying 3-5 years for a vaccine, the fact it is not even been 2 years is concerning. I think it should still be under trial with only the young and healthy (and non pregnant) taking it.

Covid 19 is not the first coronavirus that scientists have encountered. The term "coronavirus" has been used since the late 1960s, but the first cases of it were found in chickens back in the 1920s, and the first cases of it in Humans in the early 1960s. The virus responsible for SARS back in 2003 was a type of coronavirus. Coronaviruses are also responsible for about 15% of cases of the common cold. The Covid19 virus shares about 70% of its genetic make up with the virus that caused SARS.

In any case, we get a new flu vaccine each year. Do you also think scientists should wait for 3-5 years for testing of that as well?

Point 2 is I watched a a very interesting video by one of the experts some months back -which is no longer there. So no I can't show any evidence but she raised some good and concerning points. Which goes back to point one, I think more trials are needed.


So an unsupported claim. Surely there is some copy of the video somewhere? Or perhaps it was taken down because the expert realised she was mistaken? Can you tell me anything about this woman? What qualifications did she have? What was her name?

Point 3 is personal. One of my friends just took it and had severe side effects. Nausea, dizziness, heart palpitations and trouble breathing. The breathing issue was very scary. She is someone who is not young or healthy but she felt pushed to get it anyway due to her job. That should not be a thing. People should not be under pressure or coercion.

Can it be demonstrated that what she experienced was caused by the vaccine? Remember, correlation does not imply causality. Secondly, there is always a small risk of adverse reactions in people, but your friend's experience is statistically insignificant. The vast majority of people who have received the vaccine have had little to no reaction at all. Your argument here is like saying you have decided to stop bathing because you you know a guy who slipped in the shower and got hurt.
 
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the afterlife is lasting, this life is brief
I can think of nothing much worse than an everlasting afterlife!
JohnEmmett said:
the priority should be the afterlife
.. and live forever(?) No thanks.
Its my choice (as you say) .. but apparently not my destiny ...
At least .. that's my intention.
 
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there is always a small risk of adverse reactions in people, but your friend's experience is statistically insignificant.

many drugs have been discontinued


because science is flawed sometimes


I think people are wary for this reason
 
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