Bigotry comes with a price...

timothyu said:

Within their own community or for everyone?

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The whole country, and the West in general.

iarwain said:

The whole country, and the West in general.

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So we have to live their lifestyle?

timothyu said:

So we have to live their lifestyle?

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We do not, but the children are being taught that this is an option for them. There are even LGBTQ characters on children's shows. They are being taught there is a large spectrum for gender, and that they can choose where they fall on it, choose their pronouns, etc. This is all becoming part of the accepted narrative for normal society. Those who accept Biblical teaching instead of the secular view are labeled as backward and bigoted.

The state teachers LGBTQ lifestyles as a normal and valid choice. This encourages young people to pursue such lifestyles, which further weakens the family structure. The state's authority over a child's right to choose his own gender supercedes the wishes of the parents. You may have seen the news story about the father in Canada who was put in jail by a judge for calling his daughter "daughter".

iarwain said:

We do not, but the children are being taught that this is an option for them.

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Ok I get it. But I assume that even kids have a built in natural repulsion for that which does not sit well with them. That would go for both sides of the preference issue. Puberty should clear things up.

My view of this is that these folks are anxious to have the straights not just accept their ways but to conform to condoning the lifestyle. Just like the straight side has done to them for ages. They have learned well from the oppression. I don't like being told how to live and I assume neither do they. But real freedom is leaving each other alone.

However both sides need to step back and be content with who they are and leave others alone. It's a big world. Christians especially should understand being in the world but not of it. Jesus said to not rock the boat. It wasn't our job. We are to separate ourselves from the ways of mankind.

NBB said:

The bible preachs against homosexuality not only 'some christians' also, adulterers and thiefs are not trying to teach kids and everyone how good all that is and that we accept their behaviour.

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You really don't think so ???

What are we doing when we send our boys out to "sow their wild oats" ?

timothyu said:

However both sides need to step back and be content with who they are and leave others alone. It's a big world. Christians especially should understand being in the world but not of it.

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I agree. Christians should have taken the "live and let live" approach from the beginning. But instead they supported and continue to support legislation to control the situation. That, I think, is what brings the most resentment.

It would have been one thing if Christians, at the outset, had said, "We disagree. We don't think it is God's will, but we also recognize your agency and freedom to do what seems right to you. We're not going to watch your bedroom or try to prevent you from living together and marrying." That would have changed the whole dynamic.

Instead, the response was, "No. It's wrong and we're going to do anything in our power to stop you, control you. You're immoral and a sinner." Lol, no wonder that didn't work.

iarwain said:

One problem is that parents want to raise their children in as healthy an environment as possible. LGBTQs are one of several forces at work that want to weaken or destroy the traditional family, and destroy the traditional Judeo-Christian values that the US was founded on (imperfectly).

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Right ... so you're raising your kids in a society ... founded upon the conquest and near extermination of a native people, where slavery was the foundation of the economy for centuries, and where greed, avarice, selfishness, self-righteousness, and heterosexual extramarital sin has been normalized, ... and you are worried about what a slim minority of citizens are doing in their bedrooms.

Galatians 5

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

public hermit said:

Instead, the response was, "No. It's wrong and we're going to do anything in our power to stop you, control you. You're immoral and a sinner." Lol, no wonder that didn't work.

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Yes well no doubt they also ignore they are just supposed to sow seeds and not force them to grow in their own image. They are to fall where they may.

Aabbie James said:

Nancy Armour at USA Today opines that "Bigotry comes with a price." In other words, if one is a Christian and Jesus Christ is their LORD, the LGBQT+ community has declared ad hominem war against those who believe in God's Holy Word. Speaking out in support of God's Word will cause the "Trans-sexual" community to label you as a bigot. Failing to publicly support anyone who calls themselves queer is tantamount to being labeled a racist.

Christ said if you follow Him you will be hated by the world.

What shall you do? Follow the world in order to fit in and not be labeled a bigot or a racist. Or, obey Jesus Christ who died for our sins, faithfully defend God's Word, and by His grace alone find eternal salvation in the presence of the LORD...

When the writer suggests that "legislators are willing to sacrifice all of it because of their own hate, ignorance and/or political calculation" perhaps she fails to consider that enough of the legislators are choosing "eternal glory" over hosting the approval of man, by hosting the "Final Four" in their city and state.

Opinion: NCAA must make states with anti-trans laws pay with loss of championships

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Abbie, thank you for your post. So many who claim to be Christians today are either AFRAID to speak the TRUTH or they have actually moved to the other side and now support what is POPULAR. Your post makes me think of John the Baptist, and how Jesus commended him for not being a "reed shaking in the wind." He didn't check to see what was POPULAR. He spoke the TRUTH...and let the chips fall where they fall.

Yes, Society has changed...but RIGHT & WRONG has NOT. What was sin in Bible times, is still sin today. And as true believers, we are called to "CRY ALOUD, SPARE NOT, and LIFT THY VOICE LIKE A TRUMPET, AND SHOW MY PEOPLE THEIR SINS...."

A_Thinker said:

You really don't think so ???

What are we doing when we send our boys out to "sow their wild oats" ?

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Every sin is wrong, what i'm worried about... people are teaching others that sin is good and should be accepted even in some churches, this is so wrong in so many levels, calling good bad and bad good. Also a christian would not tell their boys to "sow their wild oats".
A christian should be willing to at least accept Jesus help to quit sins and try quitting them. And for that we need to know what is sin, and just treat it like it is and not embrace them.

A_Thinker said:

You really don't think so ???

What are we doing when we send our boys out to "sow their wild oats" ?

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"Boys will be boys!"

While we're on the subject, if a girl sleeps around, then she's labeled derogatory names that aren't allowed to be posted. It's an age-old double standard because that hasn't been the case with boys.

jgarden said:

Apparently "re-creating God in their own image" is an acquired skill in fine art of religious "cherry picking" - at which conservative Christians excel!

One would be wrong for assuming that worldwide COVID-19 Pandemic with 560,000 related deaths and the unprecedented number of major political, economic and social crises qualify as priorities on conservative Christian's "to-do-list!"

Apparently God is being glorified on earth through the introduction of voter suppression legislation, laws banning the transsexual takeover of woman's sports and widespread "election fraud" associated with providing food and drink to those in a voting lines!

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Who is recreating God ?

No eligible citizens are being prevented from voting. This is a story the media put out about Georgia which is completely false.

iarwain said:

We do not, but the children are being taught that this is an option for them. There are even LGBTQ characters on children's shows. They are being taught there is a large spectrum for gender, and that they can choose where they fall on it, choose their pronouns, etc. This is all becoming part of the accepted narrative for normal society. Those who accept Biblical teaching instead of the secular view are labeled as backward and bigoted.

The state teachers LGBTQ lifestyles as a normal and valid choice. This encourages young people to pursue such lifestyles, which further weakens the family structure. The state's authority over a child's right to choose his own gender supercedes the wishes of the parents. You may have seen the news story about the father in Canada who was put in jail by a judge for calling his daughter "daughter".

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Kids, especially girls are being influenced with transgenderism and most never go through dysphoria, but suddenly when they hit their early teens they inform their parents that they want to be boys and start taking hormones and even have mastectomies. Influencers help them feel accepted in social media and schools, so they are see it as a means to get attention.

This happened back in the days of anorexia as well, but this is far more dangerous.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...-is-transgender-identity-the-rise-among-teens

iarwain said:

There's an argument here that since, as Christians, we are supposed to be detached from the world. Therefore we should let the LGBTQs do as they will, and not meddle in it.

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What we are supposed to do is to grow in grace and knowledge and to understand them. Then leave them be having to deal with what they should know about themselves.

We have a huge clue given us in Genesis 6. Its apparent that God created angels originally to be able to procreate. All angels were created male. Just as Adam was created male. The big difference? Angels rebelled against God before finishing the works assigned them, while Adam finished naming all the animals. What many fail to realize is that it could have taken Adam a very long time to name all the known animals in the world. In the mean while, Adam was single. And, God said it was not good for man to be alone.

Yet, Adam finished his work and was after rewarded with his woman.

The angels got caught in a rebellion of Satan and his angels causing God to call off giving them their females. That is why certain angels who went against God's authority took to themselves beautiful woman of men and produced giants..

Those angels who took human women were punished and banished to chains of darkness below the earth.

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their
proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for
judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the
surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They
serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7



But, what about all the other fallen angels? They get no grace for celibacy from God?

To cut to the chase... they amongst themselves entered into homosexuality. The first drag queens were not men. They were fallen angels. LGBQ community are demon oppressed.

Now, knowing that? Move on and leave them be.

public hermit said:

I agree. Christians should have taken the "live and let live" approach from the beginning. But instead they supported and continue to support legislation to control the situation. That, I think, is what brings the most resentment.

It would have been one thing if Christians, at the outset, had said, "We disagree. We don't think it is God's will, but we also recognize your agency and freedom to do what seems right to you. We're not going to watch your bedroom or try to prevent you from living together and marrying." That would have changed the whole dynamic.

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I have no problem with a "live and let live" approach. I don't care what people do in their bedroom. The problem I have is with the activism. The activism that is indoctrinating the children and Canceling those who disagree with them. I'm not even sure if it's coming so much from the LGBTQs themselves or their overenthusiastic allies, many of whom will latch on to any cause if it will help tear down traditional western society. The pronouns, the boys playing girls sports, the banning of gender specific words like "mother" and "brother", it's all ingraining perversion more deeply into American culture.

As for your second paragraph, well perhaps. I've always thought it would be wrong to deny someone from covering their significant other with health insurance, for example. But maybe giving up on the marriage issue was a mistake, because the institution of marriage continues to be weakened to the point of being on life support. There are a lot of factors contributing to this, but all these concessions chip away at it, little by little.

iarwain said:

the banning of gender specific words like "mother" and "brother", it's all ingraining perversion more deeply into American culture.

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A side effect of all the good rebellious actions being used up since the time of the Bohemians and on forward.

iarwain said:

But maybe giving up on the marriage issue was a mistake, because the institution of marriage continues to be weakened to the point of being on life support. There are a lot of factors contributing to this, but all these concessions chip away at it, little by little.

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Would that not depend on which marriage you are speaking of, a secular one or a religious one? Even the religious one must bow to secular laws regarding registration but secular ones need not bow to any religious principles.

Sinners have attempt to justify their sins as long as humans have existed. Why would this be any less true in cases of sexual perversion, than in any other kinds of sin?

PaulCyp1 said:

Why would this be any less true in cases of sexual perversion, than in any other kinds of sin?

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Would a naturally straight person see themselves as a sinner regarding their preferences. Do gay people suddenly desire to become outlaws or do they perceive their ways as natural as does the straight society? Curious.

public hermit said:

I agree. Christians should have taken the "live and let live" approach from the beginning. But instead they supported and continue to support legislation to control the situation. That, I think, is what brings the most resentment.

It would have been one thing if Christians, at the outset, had said, "We disagree. We don't think it is God's will, but we also recognize your agency and freedom to do what seems right to you. We're not going to watch your bedroom or try to prevent you from living together and marrying." That would have changed the whole dynamic.

Instead, the response was, "No. It's wrong and we're going to do anything in our power to stop you, control you. You're immoral and a sinner." Lol, no wonder that didn't work.

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What's the difference between saying it isn't God's will and it's immoral and sinful?