"America First" caucus "a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions"

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

public hermit said:
What is interesting is the use of "Anglo-Saxon" instead of "western." That reads to me as flat out white supremacy.

Although our country was formerly an English possession, our legal system is largely based on English law, our language is the same, and so on...we really ought to be fair to Algeria and Cambodia and give equal recognition when acknowledging the origins of our institutions? :sigh:

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

Larnievc said:
Finally a political movement for old rich Anglos..

Oh no. Didn't you catch the part about this "America First Caucus" being a development within the ranks of the Republican Party?

Test yourself. What do the following men--the richest in America--have in common, politically speaking?

Jeff Bezos
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerberg
Warren Buffett
Michael Bloomberg

Larniavc · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
Oh no. Didn't you catch the part about this "America First Caucus" being a development within the ranks of the Republican Party?

Test yourself. What do the following men--the richest in America--have in common, politically speaking?

Jeff Bezos
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerberg
Warren Buffett
Michael Bloomberg

They were for Mr Trump’s tax break for those down on their luck Billionaires?

Subduction Zone · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
Oh no. Didn't you catch the part about this "America First Caucus" being a development within the ranks of the Republican Party?

Test yourself. What do the following men--the richest in America--have in common, politically speaking?

Jeff Bezos
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerberg
Warren Buffett
Michael Bloomberg

They are all so rich that they do not even have to try any longer. That means politically they do not need to be biased any longer. Any political changes are not likely to affect them. As a result they can advocate for the actions that seem to be the best for our country.

Now look at the leading members of the Republican party. Quite a few rich people that only want to get richer seem to lead it.

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

Larnievc said:
They were for Mr Trump’s tax break for those down on their luck Billionaires?

They're prominent financial backers of the Democratic Party and/or its policies.

Thanks to the corporate money coming their way, Democratic candidates were able to outspend their Republican opponents by quite a lot last year.

And if you are concerned about financial windfalls coming to the already-wealthy from the taxpayers, you ought to be complaining about the massive bailouts for the rich which have already been enacted by the new administration.

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

Subduction Zone said:
Now look at the leading members of the Republican party. Quite a few rich people that only want to get richer seem to lead it.

Somehow, we've got to get people to stop relying upon political slogans from fifty years ago, which lead them to say things like "The Republican Party is the party of the rich" when the two parties have completely switched sides in more recent years.

public hermit · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
Although our country was formerly an English possession, our legal system is largely based on English law, our language is the same, and so on...we really ought to be fair to Algeria and Cambodia and give equal recognition when acknowledging the origins of our institutions?

We should at least acknowledge the Greek, Roman, and Hebrew (decalogue) influence but that's really beside the point. It's a white supremacist dog whistle, as folks say these days.

What matters is not so much the origin of our institutions, but to what extend we, today, can embody and promote the ideas of freedom, human dignity, and self governance. Those ideas aren't somehow the sole possesion of white folk. Of course, even having to say that out loud is a shame.

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

public hermit said:
We should at least acknowledge the Greek, Roman, and Hebrew (decalogue) influence but that's really beside the point.

No, it's not beside the point. We're talking about a single sentence but it's a single word that is offending you.

But now you want a lengthy essay to replace it, so that every nuance of the issue can be given some recognition??

No one is denying the contributions of the peoples you mentioned, but even if it were practical to do all of that every time the issue is raised, the Anglo-Saxon background still will remain the most relevant...and there is nothing racist about that.

public hermit · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
No, it's not beside the point. It is a simple sentence and, in fact, a single word that is offending you. But now you want a lengthy essay to replace it, so that every nuance of the issue can be given some recognition?? No one is denying the contributions for the peoples you mentioned, but even if it were practical to do all of that every time the issue is raised, the Anglo-Saxon background still will remain the most relevant and there is nothing racist about that.

Out of all the phrasing they could have used, they go with half of WASP. It's not just a simple sentence. It represents a significant segment of our population that feel threatened that their white hegemony is slipping away. Sadly, way too many Christians support this kind of thing for the same basic fears. Yeah, it's racist all day long.

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

public hermit said:
Out of all the phrasing they could have used, they go with half of WASP. .

Well, that appears to be just your imagination working overtime. The term "Anglo-Saxon" is a simple historical term and an accurate one in this case (as was explained).

public hermit · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
Well, that appears to be just your imagination working overtime. The term "Anglo-Saxon" is a simple historical term and an accurate one in this case (as was explained).

It was chosen at a time of significant racial strife, in support of an administration that nursed and encouraged that strife. It's not a benign use. It has a context and no doubt an intention.

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

public hermit said:
It was chosen at a time of significant racial strife, in support of an administration that nursed and encouraged that strife. It's not a benign use. It has a context and no doubt an intention.

I guess I cannot sympathize with the idea of going out looking for something to label as racist or white supremacist or something else in that vein, to the point that something which does not fit is used anyway, just so the claim can be made. :sigh:

essentialsaltes · Apr 17, 2021

Anglo Saxons took an L in 1066. The nobility, the language, the law, Magna Carta... not really Anglo-Saxon.

hislegacy · Apr 17, 2021

We can solve all these issues in a heartbeat - end white supremacy by outlawing whites. They have no redeeming value and are a blot on our heritage. Confiscate their possessions and disperse them to the poor classes they have abused for years. End their businesses and only spend our money with non white owned businesses. Perhaps we can section off areas of our cities and have them live there until we can send them back to Europe - let them be with people of their own kind.

Guinan · Apr 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
We can solve all these issues in a heartbeat - end white supremacy by outlawing whites. They have no redeeming value and are a blot on our heritage. Confiscate their possessions and disperse them to the poor classes they have abused for years. End their businesses and only spend our money with non white owned businesses. Perhaps we can section off areas of our cities and have them live there until we can send them back to Europe - let them be with people of their own kind.

You say that jokingly, but I'm concerned there could be a reckoning some time in the near future.

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essentialsaltes · Apr 17, 2021

Religious nones on the rise in the US. Minorities on the rise in the US.

Now is clearly the time for the GOP to circle the wagons around white evangelicalism and exclude others.

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

Well, fascism certainly is pretty uniquely Anglo-Saxon.

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Anglo Saxons took an L in 1066. The nobility, the language, the law, Magna Carta... not really Anglo-Saxon.

When will the Danes get their dues SMH

Albion · Apr 17, 2021

Triumvirate said:
Well, fascism certainly is pretty uniquely Anglo-Saxon.

You mean the political movement that started in Italy. Yeh, right. :doh:

Triumvirate · Apr 17, 2021

Albion said:
You mean the political movement that started in Italy. Yeh, right.

Hence 'pretty', hth :wave:

And hardly more uniquely aNgLo SaXoN than half the values being claimed as such ^_^

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