Why do Some Christians Get a Kick Out of Hating Gays?

Landon Caeli said:

According to post 6, the OP has stated that discussion about his faith is off topic, and has asked that it not be discussed here in this thread.

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I started my response before this was posted.

St_Worm2 said:

Hello Jaedan, the Bible is pretty specific about the fact that the use of course language (in almost all situations) is sinful .. e.g. Ephesians 4:29, 5:4; Colossians 3:8 cf Matthew 12:34-37. It also speaks of our great need to love our neighbor (Christian and non-Christian alike), and to always treat others in the same manner that would want/hope to be treated by them (even if we have been treated badly by them in the past and/or are being treated badly by them in the moment ).

Matthew 7
12 However you want people to treat you, so treat them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 19
19b You shall love your neighbor as yourself.​

--David
p.s. - I think missionary Amy Carmichael puts it nicely.

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Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word
as is good for edification, according to the need of the moment,
so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Ephesians 4:29
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It's not your fault @St_Worm2, but I'm getting heartily sick and tired of Christians trying to explain away the bigots in their midst by pulling out verses to explain how nice Christianity really is. The 'No True Christian' argument is wearing very thin.

The bigots are equally adept at quoting verses 'proving' that gays are abominably evil and then using this to openly denigrate gay and lesbian people from the cover of the Bible. These same Christians (and they are Christians) will then fight tooth and nail to prevent homosexual access to marriage based on nothing more concrete than some religious prohibition written several thousand years ago.

It 's time to judge Christianity based on what it actually does collectively - not what it pretends to be.

OB

Carl Emerson said:

I started my response before this was posted.

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I didn't realize that. Sorry.

No probs.

Occams Barber said:

It's not your fault @St_Worm2, but I'm getting heartily sick and tired of Christians trying to explain away the bigots in their midst by pulling out verses to explain how nice Christianity really is. The 'No True Christian' argument is wearing very thin.

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Christianity is not 'nice' never was...

Judge away...

What folks do has little to do with what is right.

Could there be excessive harshness on both sides of the issue?

Christianity is what it is... read the bible and make your choice - and leave others to make theirs.

Occams Barber said:

It 's time to judge Christianity based on what it actually does collectively - not what it pretends to be.

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You cannot begin to do so, if you understand The Parable of the Wheat & Tares.

Sabertooth said:

You cannot begin to do so, if you understand The Parable of the Wheat & Tares.

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LOL. I was waiting for the tares bin and the goat pen to put in an appearance...then there's the narrow path/road/way/gate...

These are excuses based on the Christian version of No True Scotsman. They are usually used to explain that the shrinkage in Western Christianity is really a good thing.

OB

Carl Emerson said:

What folks do has little to do with what is right.

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In the case of Christianity I heartily agree.

Carl Emerson said:

Christianity is what it is... read the bible and make your choice - and leave others to make theirs.

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Gladly - as long as Christianity stays out of the lives and bedrooms of others.

'Live and let live' appears to be the missing link in Christian doctrine.

OB

Occams Barber said:

In the case of Christianity I heartily agree.



Gladly - as long as Christianity stays out of the lives and bedrooms of others.

'Live and let live' appears to be the missing link in Christian doctrine.

OB

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Same applies to atheism - being areligious does not somehow propel you to higher moral ground.

Well God was in the bedroom long before you or I, and we will answer to Him in due course.

Correct about live and let live - this was disproved when the first couple lied to the Holy Spirit.

There is a lot at stake and that is why I am just sayin it as it is...

Carl Emerson said:

Same applies to atheism - being areligious does not somehow propel you to higher moral ground.

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I'm fully aware that Christians are as immoral as atheists. The difference is that atheists don't claim their immorality is sanctioned by a deity.

OB

Occams Barber said:

I'm fully aware that Christians are as immoral as atheists. The difference is that atheists don't claim their immorality is sanctioned by a deity.

OB

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You have crossed into a generalization.

I do not agree that true Christians are as immoral as atheists - far from it...

God does not sanction immorality - if He did you would not be arguing.

Occams Barber said:

LOL. I was waiting for the tares bin and the goat pen to put in an appearance...then there's the narrow path/road/way/gate...

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It throws the numbers off.
(That is my story and I am sticking with it.)

You have your own "ringers." Are the stated views of atheist group, Satanic Temple, consistent with either atheists or satanists...?

Jaedan said:

Let me throw on my old Christian shoes real quick.

According to the bible, everyone sins. Non-Christians sin. Christians sin.

there are unbelievers who are racists, liars, etc. Likewise, there are believers who are racists, liars, and etc. Does this mean that unbelievers should not become believers? No, because every man falls short of God's standard.

What I'm trying to find out is calling gays names and threatening them NORMAL behavior for a Christian. I see it often in my life. I just want to know. I don't know why you guys seem to think I'm trying to hide behind other people's sins.

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Q: What I'm trying to find out is calling gays names and threatening them NORMAL behavior for a Christian.
A: No.

Flip the question around.

Q: Is calling Christians names and threatening them NORMAL behavior for a gay person?
A: No.

Calling names and threatening isn't mutually exclusive to any groups, or people in general.

Jaedan said:

I'm not giving out any names, but many people around me whom I love dearly are often "hostile" towards gays. Their name-calling, threats, and etc, always makes me feel really distressed and uncomfortable (even though I'm not gay). I just don't like it and it is one of the reasons why I stopped believing.

Is this what Christians are supposed to do. Likewise, is it wrong for Christians to hold other Christians accountable for these remarks/threats, etc?

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We really don't.

For us it's simple a) God exist b) he doesn't
We as Christians find the prophecy in his book that he send us and with the things that alredy happened and are happening now can see this book speak truth so for us its ultimate authority over anything.

If book says gays are evil we call them evil .

Apart from that when Christians put down flesh and live by the spirit we simply get disgusted by sin so gays are disgusting for us, it's like if I put my hand in some sort of slime because I tried to hold onto something in public transport it's like eew I want to get this thing off me , its the same feeling towards gays I'm simply disgusted and don't want to even touch them.

Homosexuality is wrong from a Christian standpoint, and we will always have those who go overboard in making that point.

Whether or not, those the OP refers to went overboard or not, not sure, I'd have to know exactly what they said.

Some think we go overboard just stating the truth.

Jaedan said:

You can pm me any other off-topic things if you want though.

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Done.

Jaedan said:

I'm not giving out any names, but many people around me whom I love dearly are often "hostile" towards gays. Their name-calling, threats, and etc, always makes me feel really distressed and uncomfortable (even though I'm not gay). I just don't like it and it is one of the reasons why I stopped believing.

Is this what Christians are supposed to do. Likewise, is it wrong for Christians to hold other Christians accountable for these remarks/threats, etc?

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Mainly because they do not know how to interact with a homosexual. Name calling is usually behind their backs.

NomNomPizza said:

If book says gays are evil we call them evil .

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The book doesn't call them 'evil. It calls their acts as you phrase it 'evil', but more accurately an abomination. Should we condemn, lets say you, completely for some faults you may have or is there also good in you? The same applies to all of mankind.

timothyu said:

The book doesn't call them 'evil. It calls their acts as you phrase it 'evil', but more accurately an abomination. Should we condemn, lets say you, completely for some faults you may have or is there also good in you? The same applies to all of mankind.

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if u say so , still if we went back to OT laws for example thief would have to pay 7fold what he stole , gay would be stoned to death it wasn't really equally evil.