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So you're saying that "one day ago" would be referring to Sunday. That makes no sense.

Different languages operate differently, how counting works is different.

No, in English it makes no sense to say "one day ago" and refer to today. But other languages aren't English, and wouldn't say "one day ago" to refer to today, they would count the number of days, including today, and give that as the number of days prior or forward. Thus "three days from now" would mean today, tomorrow, and finally the day after tomorrow. In Latin one would speak of hesterna, "yesterday", or could say ante unam diem, literally "before the first day", unam diem meaning "first day" in reference to right now, today.

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So you're saying that "one day ago" would be referring to Sunday. That makes no sense.

The text does not say that. It says "today (that day was the 1st day of the week, Sunday) was now the 3rd day since the events occurred"...Sunday was the 3rd day, Saturday was the 2nd day and the events occurred on Friday.
 
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On seventeen separate occasions, Jesus or His friends spoke of the timetable involving His death and resurrection.
  • Ten times it was specified that the resurrection would take place on the "third day" (Mat.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Mark 9:31; 10:34, Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7,46).
  • On five occasions they said, "in three days" (Matthew 26:61; 27:40, Mark 15:29, John 2:19-20).
  • Twice they used the phrase, "after three days" (Matthew 27:63, Mark 8:31).
  • And one time only Jesus spoke of His death as "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40).

Without question, all of these various expressions are used to describe the very same event. There seems to be no controversy regarding this point. "The third day," "in three days," "after three days," and "three days and three nights" are equivalent terms used in the scripture in reference to the resurrection of Jesus.

Expressions Cannot Be Literal

Now we ask the question: Can all of these expressions be taken in a strictly literal sense and still harmonize with each other? Absolutely not! For example, "after three days" would certainly have to be interpreted as longer than seventy-two hours. "In three days" could mean anytime less than seventy-two hours, and "three days and three nights" could only mean exactly seventy-two hours to the second. And "the third day" presents even greater problems as we shall notice in a moment.
Does this sound terribly confusing? If so, it is only because men have placed their own interpretation upon the meaning of God's Word. We must let the scripture explain itself, and especially, we must let Christ provide definitions for the words which He spoke. It would be a mammoth mistake to seize upon any one of the expressions used and force its strict compliance with our interpretation without reference to the other sixteen texts on the subject.
Three Days and Three Nights

But does it say He is to be raised on the third day? or RISEN on the third day as if already passed?

In other words does the 3rd day come and when it starts He is still in the Tomb and then raised or is He RISEN just before the third day starts and therefore RISEN the Third day?
 
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Different languages operate differently, how counting works is different.

No, in English it makes no sense to say "one day ago" and refer to today. But other languages aren't English, and wouldn't say "one day ago" to refer to today, they would count the number of days, including today, and give that as the number of days prior or forward. Thus "three days from now" would mean today, tomorrow, and finally the day after tomorrow. In Latin one would speak of hesterna, "yesterday", or could say ante unam diem, literally "before the first day", unam diem meaning "first day" in reference to right now, today.

-CryptoLutheran

If you believe the day starts at sunset then what does that mean? Does that mean that sunset is when Evening Starts? If so, when does Evening Start and when does it End?
 
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If you believe the day starts at sunset then what does that mean? Does that mean that sunset is when Evening Starts? If so, when does Evening Start and when does it End?

Sunset to sunset.

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But does it say He is to be raised on the third day? or RISEN on the third day as if already passed?
In other words does the 3rd day come and when it starts He is still in the Tomb and then raised or is He RISEN just before the third day starts and therefore RISEN the Third day?
Did you happen to read my post which you quoted. Four different expressions were used each different.
Ten times it was specified that the resurrection would take place on the "third day" (Mat.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Mark 9:31; 10:34, Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7,46).
On five occasions they said, "in three days" (Matthew 26:61; 27:40, Mark 15:29, John 2:19-20).
Twice they used the phrase, "after three days" (Matthew 27:63, Mark 8:31).
And one time only Jesus spoke of His death as "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40).
Peter later said it was the third day.
Acts 10:39-40
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
And as I clearly pointed our earlier in this thread Jesus was crucified on the day before the only Sabbath in passion week. The name of which then and now, in Greek, is "parasceue" which means "preparation."

 
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Did you happen to read my post which you quoted. Four different expressions were used each different.
Ten times it was specified that the resurrection would take place on the "third day" (Mat.16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Mark 9:31; 10:34, Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33; 24:7,46).
On five occasions they said, "in three days" (Matthew 26:61; 27:40, Mark 15:29, John 2:19-20).
Twice they used the phrase, "after three days" (Matthew 27:63, Mark 8:31).
And one time only Jesus spoke of His death as "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40).
Peter later said it was the third day.
Acts 10:39-40
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
And as I clearly pointed our earlier in this thread Jesus was crucified on the day before the only Sabbath in passion week. The name of which then and now, in Greek, is "parasceue" which means "preparation."

So you stated that Jesus was raised IN, ON, and AFTER 3 days. You don't see anything wrong with what you stated?
 
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But be more specific than that. Do mean that Sunset is when night has home or when evening has started? How do you measure when sunset is?

Did you just ask how does one measure when sunset is?

With their eyes.

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So you stated that Jesus was raised IN, ON, and AFTER 3 days. You don't see anything wrong with what you stated?
I didn't "say" anything I quoted scripture. Do you even read my posts? What did Peter say? Was Peter lying? There are four different statements "on the third day,""in three days,""after three days" and "three days and three nights." Which ones are lying?
Seventy-Two Hours Not Biblical
Those who insist that Christ was in the grave a full seventy-two hours contend that the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest literal sense. But such a contention is absolutely contrary to the testimony of the Scriptures. An example of the way the scripture uses the term is found in Esther 4:16.

Est 4:16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
Do not overlook the fact that they were to fast "three days and three nights." Yet Esther 5:1 tells us, "it came to pass on the third day" that they ended their fast.
Est 5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.
Three Days and Three Nights
Here is a perfect example of how three days and three nights terminate on the third day!





 
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Did you just ask how does one measure when sunset is?
With their eyes.
-CryptoLutheran
The conventional Jewish way of calibrating the time of day is to reckon the "first hour" of the day with the rise of dawn (Hebrew: עמוד השחר‎), that is to say, approximately 72 minutes before sunrise,[11] and the end of the day commencing shortly after sunset when the first three medium-size stars have appeared in the night sky.[12] From the moment of sunset when the sun is no longer visible until the appearance of the first three medium-size stars is a unit of time called evening twilight (Hebrew: בין השמשות‎). In the Talmud, twilight is estimated at being the time that it takes a person to walk three quarters of a biblical mile (i.e. 1,500 cubits, insofar that a biblical mile is equal to 2,000 cubits).[13] According to Maran's Shulhan Arukh, a man traverses a biblical mile in 18 minutes,[14] meaning, one is able to walk three quarters of a mile in 13½ minutes. According to Maimonides, a man walks a biblical mile in 24 minutes, meaning, three quarters of a mile is done in 18 minutes. In Jewish law, the short period of dusk or twilight (from the moment the sun has disappeared over the horizon until the appearance of the first three stars) is a space of time whose designation is doubtful, partly considered day and partly considered night. When the first medium-size star appears in the night sky, it is still considered day; when the second star appears, it is an ambiguous case. When the third star appears, it is the beginning of the first hour of the night.
Relative hour - Wikipedia.
 
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Did you just ask how does one measure when sunset is?

With their eyes.

-CryptoLutheran

But what does that mean? Does that mean when the sun has started crossing the horizon or does it mean it has cross the horizon and night has come?
 
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I didn't "say" anything I quoted scripture. Do you even read my posts? What did Peter say? Was Peter lying? There are four different statements "on the third day,""in three days,""after three days" and "three days and three nights." Which ones are lying?
Seventy-Two Hours Not Biblical
Those who insist that Christ was in the grave a full seventy-two hours contend that the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest literal sense. But such a contention is absolutely contrary to the testimony of the Scriptures. An example of the way the scripture uses the term is found in Esther 4:16.

Est 4:16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
Do not overlook the fact that they were to fast "three days and three nights." Yet Esther 5:1 tells us, "it came to pass on the third day" that they ended their fast.
Est 5:1 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.
Three Days and Three Nights
Here is a perfect example of how three days and three nights terminate on the third day!

So you quoted scriptures that presents it 3 ways according to you via the scriptures you posted. But what SAY YOU - Was Jesus already RISEN when the 3rd day started or was He raised ON the 3rd day? Don't ask me what I think Peter said or Matthew or Mark, Luke, etc.. I'm asking YOU what do YOU believe the Bible is telling YOU?
 
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The conventional Jewish way of calibrating the time of day is to reckon the "first hour" of the day with the rise of dawn (Hebrew: עמוד השחר‎), that is to say, approximately 72 minutes before sunrise,[11] and the end of the day commencing shortly after sunset when the first three medium-size stars have appeared in the night sky.[12] From the moment of sunset when the sun is no longer visible until the appearance of the first three medium-size stars is a unit of time called evening twilight (Hebrew: בין השמשות‎). In the Talmud, twilight is estimated at being the time that it takes a person to walk three quarters of a biblical mile (i.e. 1,500 cubits, insofar that a biblical mile is equal to 2,000 cubits).[13] According to Maran's Shulhan Arukh, a man traverses a biblical mile in 18 minutes,[14] meaning, one is able to walk three quarters of a mile in 13½ minutes. According to Maimonides, a man walks a biblical mile in 24 minutes, meaning, three quarters of a mile is done in 18 minutes. In Jewish law, the short period of dusk or twilight (from the moment the sun has disappeared over the horizon until the appearance of the first three stars) is a space of time whose designation is doubtful, partly considered day and partly considered night. When the first medium-size star appears in the night sky, it is still considered day; when the second star appears, it is an ambiguous case. When the third star appears, it is the beginning of the first hour of the night.
Relative hour - Wikipedia.

So what is the time referred to as "Between the Evenings"?
 
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So you quoted scriptures that presents it 3 ways according to you via the scriptures you posted. But what SAY YOU - Was Jesus already RISEN when the 3rd day started or was He raised ON the 3rd day? Don't ask me what I think Peter said or Matthew or Mark, Luke, etc.. I'm asking YOU what do YOU believe the Bible is telling YOU?
Sometime after sunset on the Sabbath and just before dawn the first day of the week i.e. the third day by Jewish reckoning, which began at sunset on the Sabbath.
 
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Sometime after sunset on the Sabbath and just before dawn the first day of the week i.e. the third day by Jewish reckoning, which began at sunset on the Sabbath.

At what time do you believe evening starts?
 
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But what does that mean? Does that mean when the sun has started crossing the horizon or does it mean it has cross the horizon and night has come?

From Chabad.org,

"While a day starts and ends at nightfall, the exact moment when night — and the next calendar date — begins is not clear.

The twilight period, from sunset ("shekiah") until three stars are visible in the sky ("tzeit hakochavim"), is an "iffy" time period, known as "bein hashmashot." Shabbat and all the holidays begin at sunset, the earliest possible definition of nightfall, and end when three stars appear in the sky the next evening, the latest definition of nightfall.

A rabbi should be consulted if a boy is born during bein hashmashot (to determine when the circumcision should be scheduled), or if a person passes away during this time (to determine the date when the yahrtzeit should be observed).
" - https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/526873/jewish/The-Jewish-Day.htm

-CryptoLutheran
 
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