Bigotry comes with a price...

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This is such a tired, and overblown, issue. The culture has changed. What used to be taboo is now accepted. What is a Christian to do? It's easy, be the best Christian you can be. If folks want to accept homosexuality, and you don't, oh well. That's how it goes.

Who said society in general was supposed to be Christian? Is that what we expect? I have no issue with the whole revolution we've seen regarding lgbqt. I certainly desire no paternalistic control by religious folks. Live at peace as far as we are able, keep our own side of the street clean, and make sure our love is obvious, unmistakable. That's what we are called to do.

The finger waving and pearl clutching is tiresome, and pointless.
It does get tiring having to constantly teach Christian posters the truth about what they mistakenly think the scriptures say concern this subject.
In regards to physical competition, it is legalized cheating for post-puberty male-to-female transgender to compete in girls sports. To not be able to recognize this is to have completely taken leave of common sense.
 
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Not everyone is a christian. Not everyone believes in the same morals as you do. What they are doing is none of your business.

I share your sentiment, Cis.jd. The 'plank in your own eye' approach of addressing LGBTQ is often forgotten and so is the old adage, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
 
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This is such a tired, and overblown, issue. The culture has changed. What used to be taboo is now accepted. What is a Christian to do? It's easy, be the best Christian you can be. If folks want to accept homosexuality, and you don't, oh well. That's how it goes.

Who said society in general was supposed to be Christian? Is that what we expect? I have no issue with the whole revolution we've seen regarding lgbqt. I certainly desire no paternalistic control by religious folks. Live at peace as far as we are able, keep our own side of the street clean, and make sure our love is obvious, unmistakable. That's what we are called to do.

The finger waving and pearl clutching is tiresome, and pointless.
Time and time again throughout the Bible, God sent prophets to go and preach against a sinful and wicked generation. Noah was a preacher of righteousness and was mocked for preaching of the coming flood and for building the ship God told him to build. We are not to just sit back quietly and work on our own selves. We are to warn all people that they are perishing and are in need of the savior, Jesus. How else would anyone be saved?

When you love someone, you tell them the truth. And if the Truth rests in Christ, if freedom rests only in Him, then we are called to tell all unbelievers of that Truth. Not to withhold it from them and "keep our own side of the street clean". That is a false teaching. We are to go to the murderer and to tell him if he continues to murder, then their is eternal consequences for his actions. There is eternal damnation. The same with the homosexual. We aren't to beat them over the head with the Bible, but to tell them the Truth that has been made known to us and to go our way if they don't receive us, just as the apostles had. To then have faith that God would begin a mighty work in that person, that they might be saved.

You stated here that you have no issue with the whole revolution regarding lgbt, when there are many instances of children being sexually perverted and groomed into this revolution. Biological men dressed as the female equivalent of a prostitute twerking in front of little kids, little children dancing on strip poles while being surrounded by adults and having money thrown at them. Many things I've seen, have been clearly wicked, sick and depraved. Not to mention children getting life-altering surgeries and taking hormones which just may handicap them for the rest of their lives. All of this to say, it is a clear perversion of how God designed man and woman and is a doctrine of demons. This whole revolution is not of God and should be spoken out against at the very least. It should be challenged. Not condoned and celebrated, like I see far too many churches doing these days.

You think this really isn't so dire, but for the Christian who continues to share the Truth, I think real persecution in the western world is right around the corner. The kind of persecution you already see in so many other countries of our brothers and sisters being jailed, tortured or killed for their faith - that's the kind of persecution I'm talking about. Just as Aabbie had proved in her post, "bigotry comes with a price" - this kind of language is purposely being used to amp up those who already feel emotionally charged towards this topic. Ask yourself, who determines what is a bigot? And what will that price be? Who is the one that determines this price? Surely, the Christian is already labeled a bigot just for being a Christian.
 
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Nancy Armour at USA Today opines that "Bigotry comes with a price." In other words, if one is a Christian and Jesus Christ is their LORD, the LGBQT+ community has declared ad hominem war against those who believe in God's Holy Word. Speaking out in support of God's Word will cause the "Trans-sexual" community to label you as a bigot. Failing to publicly support anyone who calls themselves queer is tantamount to being labeled a racist.

Christ said if you follow Him you will be hated by the world.

What shall you do? Follow the world in order to fit in and not be labeled a bigot or a racist. Or, obey Jesus Christ who died for our sins, faithfully defend God's Word, and by His grace alone find eternal salvation in the presence of the LORD...

When the writer suggests that "legislators are willing to sacrifice all of it because of their own hate, ignorance and/or political calculation" perhaps she fails to consider that enough of the legislators are choosing "eternal glory" over hosting the approval of man, by hosting the "Final Four" in their city and state.

Opinion: NCAA must make states with anti-trans laws pay with loss of championships

A bigot is someone who discriminates against an individual based on an incorrect assessment of who they are. A murderer is a human and should be respected as such, but they are still a murderer. One would be cautious when they are angry etc. to avoid being in a vulnerable situation.

What is interesting to me, is how people go from do not discriminate against me because of who I am, to I am superior to you, you are just denying you are like me.

A sinner is a sinner, but I love them, despite their sin, and would confront their sinful life if the opportunity arose.

We follow a Lord who specifies the walk of holiness and life, not that we are made perfect so able to walk it. Pointing out the domination of emotional feelings over real relationships is part of admitting we are sinners in need of a saviour. We individually need to come to terms with our individual issues that form part of our personality, and adapt a lifestyle to follow Jesus.

Following the Lord is recognising these differences and struggles, not judging people for them, but working with them to grow in love and appreciation of one another. If one starts to say the struggles do not exist, we are as we are and the Lord is fine with this, is to abandon the faith.

A lot of cultural christianity which claims we are completely as God meant us to be, is insane. Speaking to the cultural model, sin is the aberration of falling away from this perfection, so everyone is guilty of corrupting themselves, therefore there are no biological variations in desires or focus, only saints and sinners.

After being married for over 30 years, closeness has little to do with sex, and so much to do with intimacy. How any individual walks this road is difficult, but becoming like a child, being honest and open is the start of the walk which few appear to want to even begin.

God bless you
 
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Our purpose is to glorify God in all that we do. We are called to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth... Amen.
Tellme , where is married or sexual preference, in the Gospel message?

"If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me."

We have shifted from lifting up God and living the life, to dragging out the adulterers and stoning them in the streets.

I reckon God is not pleased.

This is especially distasteful for those who believe that we cannot be perfect and will continue to sin even after salvation.....for it can be viewed as hypocritical. For why are their sins worse than our own?
 
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This is another example where the secular world leads the way towards equality and the church fails in its mission to be a shining light on the hill to guide the way forwards. The church needs to halt it's decline into irrelevancy to most people's lives.
 
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Tellme , where is married or sexual preference, in the Gospel message?

"If I be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me."

We have shifted from lifting up God and living the life, to dragging out the adulterers and stoning them in the streets.

I reckon God is not pleased.

This is especially distasteful for those who believe that we cannot be perfect and will continue to sin even after salvation.....for it can be viewed as hypocritical. For why are their sins worse than our own?
The Gospels do not negate the old testament. Jesus was clear He was the fulfillment of the law, but that doesn't mean God has changed his mind on sodomy being an abomination in his eyes. Even in the Gospels, is there verses supporting this.

Where are homosexuals being stoned in the western world? That is over dramatic. Surely homosexual sin is not greater than any other sin, and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone here stated that. You're just assuming that anyone who speaks against homosexuality is saying it is the worst of all sins, which is untrue. Homosexuality/LGBT is the main topic in this thread, which is why it is being focused on.

Truth is homosexuals need Jesus just as much as anyone else, but it is becoming taboo to even tell a homosexual what they are doing is sinful in fear of being labeled a bigot.
 
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What used to be taboo is now accepted.

Not by me, and I doubt I'm the only one.

What is a Christian to do? It's easy, be the best Christian you can be.

And the best Christian I can be, speaks out against, well, lets take the argument of homosexuals raising kids, as has happened before here. When that is addressed as just fine, I will both speak out against involving innocent, and impressionable kids with homosexuals, and will likely make some comments against homosexuality in general. To me, that is a Christian like attitude.

But you would let them run a thread as such, and simply stay quiet?

Who said society in general was supposed to be Christian?

No one, and why do you ask?

I have no issue with the whole revolution we've seen regarding lgbqt.

I do, a huge issue, and I would think most Christians would.
 
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This is another example where the secular world leads the way towards equality and the church fails in its mission to be a shining light on the hill to guide the way forwards. The church needs to halt it's decline into irrelevancy to most people's lives.
And the specular world will never truly have the equality it seeks. With sinful man, you will never achieve this because "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" There will always be someone who will be oppressed at the hands of man, even if a once oppressed group is lifted up for a little while. Only with God will there one day be true righteousness, Godliness and all good things eternally established.

(Jeremiah 17:9)
 
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At least it's trying on this issue.
And all you're doing is shaming GOD's church and uplifting the foolish secular world that walks about in darkness and corruption. Jesus suffered and died and conquered death for the Church that is here. You should be more careful in your criticisms of it as it does nothing to uplift your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ but only puts them down.

By coming to Christ, should you realize your identity is not in this world that is perishing, but is in Jesus. And this world can try all it wants, but like I said, it'll never achieve equality and it is a pipe dream to believe so. Especially for a follower of Jesus.
 
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Speaking out in support of God's Word will cause the "Trans-sexual" community to label you as a bigot.
I've very extensively written and spoken in support of reading/listening to God's Word -- Many thousands of posts doing just that -- but somehow I've not been labeled a 'bigot' even once in response. Not even once.

Please consider this question:

How would you see someone that preached repeatedly against a sin they had not done themselves -- example: drunkenness or lust or greediness -- preaching against other people's particular sins instead of confessing their own sins they had done themselves?....

It's not our judgement that saves anyone -- we are all in the same boat, 100% of us sinners saved only by the gospel through faith in Christ Jesus.

So...what saves us then? -- Judging sins....or...hearing and believing the gospel and putting our hope and trust/faith in Christ?

The answer is the real message people need to hear....
 
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The Gospels do not negate the old testament. Jesus was clear He was the fulfillment of the law, but that doesn't mean God has changed his mind on sodomy being an abomination in his eyes. Even in the Gospels, is there verses supporting this.

Who said anything about negation? The Gospel tells of the good news.

Do you believe that you were saved because you stopped sinning?

We stop sinning because we are saved from it...... So why are you trying to getting people to stop sinning before they are saved?

Are we saved by the grace of God, or by our own abilities?

Where are homosexuals being stoned in the western world? That is over dramatic. Surely homosexual sin is not greater than any other sin, and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone here stated that. You're just assuming that anyone who speaks against homosexuality is saying it is the worst of all sins, which is untrue. Homosexuality/LGBT is the main topic in this thread, which is why it is being focused on.

Truth is homosexuals need Jesus just as much as anyone else, but it is becoming taboo to even tell a homosexual what they are doing is sinful in fear of being labeled a bigot.

You are stoning with your language and disdain for those you believe are engaging in sins that you are immune to. Yet we say nothing about hate, envy or lustful thoughts....because those can touch us all.

Why would one, who has sin in them, tell another that what they are doing is sinful?

Let us remove the sin from ourselves first, and become perfect before we contemplate exposing the sins of others.....if we could desire such a thing afterwards.

Until them, Let us trust the word of the Lord saying, Let your light so shine before men........that they may see your good works....and glorify the Father....
 
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Obesity in the West, particularly the US, is actually more complex than merely overindulgence, and many of the factors of obesity are the same as the factors of poverty and poor mental health.
True enough. Starch and sugar have for centuries been known as the poor man's diet. 99% of the 'food' products on the shelves are either starch and sugar processed items resembling real food, or simply non-food ingredients with flavour and vitamins and minerals added. Hence the obesity and type II diabetes compliments of more profitable faux food..
 
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it is legalized cheating for post-puberty male-to-female transgender to compete in girls sports. To not be able to recognize this is to have completely taken leave of common sense.
What about the transgender who wants to become a nun and share accommodations?
 
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True enough. Starch and sugar have for centuries been known as the poor man's diet. 99% of the 'food' products on the shelves are either starch and sugar processed items resembling real food, or simply non-food ingredients with flavour and vitamins and minerals added. Hence the obesity and type II diabetes compliments of more profitable faux food..
Yet real food is more expensive, and we holy people do not love money enough to seek to make more and more of it, and if we do, we have to give more and more of it to church organizations. So what are we to do? eat the sugar
 
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What about the transgender who wants to become a nun and share accommodations?
There are restaurants known to require jackets for entry. Anyone who tries to enter without one, knowing the facts, are not doing so for righteous causing.
 
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Hello All,

Two thoughts.

We must always share our reasons for what we believe with gentleness and respect:
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

Sadly also this is an issue where there seems to be confusion among believers. Some denominations and high profile Christian speakers are in the vanguard pushing for changing the definition of marriage, gender and sexuality. Some denominations are trying to hold the biblical and traditional line. Some leaders give answers that have the perception of being woolly or changeable.

In the long term I think Christians are making themselves vulnerable by not having a unified voice on this issue.

God Bless :)

 
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