Use of Johnson & Johnson COVID Vaccine is Paused

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I think that you and @Isilwen have maybe taken my comments out of context, or perhaps simply misunderstood. And to be fair, perhaps I didn't explain very well.

Maybe it's not the same in the US, but here in the UK, defeating COVID seems to have almost assumed the status of a religion, to the extent that many commentators have described the UK government's approach as 'zero COVID'. Of course it is an honourable objective to try and extend life and prevent death, but there comes a point where there is almost a denial of our own mortality.

To put what the government is attempting to achieve in perspective, the average age of a COVID fatality in the UK is greater than the UK average life expectancy. Given that information, can you now understand that the UK government's 'zero COVID deaths' objective is verging on a denial that anyone ever has to die? It's also massively damaging, because other conditions that kill people, such as cancer, have been totally sidelined for an entire year.

I don't think that it's un-Christian, or paints Christianity in a poor light, to draw attention to UK government policies that are secular, because they effectively deny our own mortality by implying that life can be extended indefinitely, and death never needs to happen.

I hope that what I have written above is a better explanation of my position, but I accept that not all will agree.

I think this is a very accurate account of the dreadful situation in the UK. Trying to force people to have a vaccine is evil. They roll the 'experts' from TV studio to TV studio and although their are a huge number of scientists that disagree, they are not given the air time to have the debate that should be happening.
 
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Current and former smoking and risk for venous thromboembolism: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed
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The benefit is that they'll discover (albeit the hard way) that their faith in the foolish pharmakeia of Babylon is misplaced, and repent and open their heart to the truth, and thence by the grace of God find themselves drawn to the foot of the cross.
So what kind of birth control do you use?
 
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Well this is bad news. This was the vaccine I was looking at getting...
Morally a bit better to be poked by Pfizer or Moderna. A bit better anyhow.
 
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I think this is a very accurate account of the dreadful situation in the UK. Trying to force people to have a vaccine is evil.

It's not the situation in the UK at all. I'm from the UK and the no-one is being forced to have they vaccination if they don't want it. That was truly Fake News.

It defeats me that aiming for "zero Covid deaths" is anti-Christian. Could you explain why that is :scratch:
 
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Morally a bit better to be poked by Pfizer or Moderna. A bit better anyhow.

Yeah my parents were leaning on me pretty hard to get one of those when I called them on Sunday. They pointed out that those ones at least have been used widely for the last few weeks with not many problems (Some of my friends are really down on using a brand new vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly vetted.)


But probably will sign up and get on the list this week.
 
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We still don't know the longer term affects either. No way am going to be pressured into getting one.

I agree, the vaccines have been pushed thru as fast as possible without the proper long term testing most vaccines typically have to undergo before they can be released to the public. So I’m not getting one. I’ll just continue to use the protective measures we’ve been doing for the past year.
 
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Covid: UK may approve one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine suspended by US FDA over blood clot fears | Daily Mail Online

The six women who developed clots – representing a rate of around one in a million – were aged between 18 and 48; one of them died and another is in hospital, the New York Times reports.

Thrombosis seems to be a common side effect with these COVID vaccines. The stated rate may only be one in a million, but I expect that will turn out to be under-reported.

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

Clinical trials suggest the vaccine offers 100 per cent protection from severe Covid leading to hospitalisation or death, and around 66 per cent protection from mild infection.

So what exactly is the benefit to healthy young people, with no underlying health issues, who have a negligible risk of being hospitalised or dying of COVID? Why do these people need protecting from a 'mild infection'. Why not just let their God-given immune system do its job, and stop interfering?

I am suspicious of all these mRNA vaccines. All of the vaccine currently used for Covid are based on new mRNA technology. Somehow, although rarely, blood clots and deaths are associated with them.

We do not see blood clots with flu shots.

Why?
Maybe because flu shots are not based on mRNA technology. Flu shots actually protect against blood clots that an actual flu could cause.

Another vaccine coming soon - May? That will be the Novavax Covid-19 vaccine. NO mRNA technology used. That vaccine uses parts of the actual virus, along with an immune booster, to help the body recognize and destroy the real virus. Flu vaccines are made similarly. So, I expect the Novavax vaccine to be the safest bet.

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Let's examine the logic of this statement of yours:

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

This is incorrect. If, repeat if, the virus is at least partially effective at stopping infection, it will most certainly, reduce transmission.

The bottom line is this:

- qualified experts who went to real medical schools agree that young people should get vaccinated.
- this is not only about you - it is about your responsibility to the larger society.

And as for "interfering" - if you are willing to withdraw from society then, and only then, can you make this claim without contradiction. Otherwise, when you show up at the grocery store unvaccinated, you are most definitely "interfering" with my "right" to live free of preventable illness.
you have been given a 24 hour a day 7 day week enema of one official narrative. There has been an agenda behind this from the beginning and many doctors of equal credentials are opposing this agenda and there is a complete censorship of debate. Now even a top Fizer VP has come out against this.

EXCLUSIVE - Former Pfizer VP: ‘Your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death.’
 
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you have been given a 24 hour a day 7 day week enema of one official narrative. There has been an agenda behind this from the beginning and many doctors of equal credentials are opposing this agenda and there is a complete censorship of debate. Now even a top Fizer VP has come out against this.

EXCLUSIVE - Former Pfizer VP: ‘Your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death.’

Got another source for this other than the questionable life site news?

LifeSiteNews - Media Bias Fact Check
 
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The Wuhan virus has been politicized pretty much from the start. And that politicization has reflected a growing State-centered, top-down, controlled-rather-than-served-by-the-government, dynamic. The MSM has played up the danger of the virus enormously, inflaming fear and convincing people that all of their liberties must be sacrificed for the sake of safety. How has this been possible? Another virulent flu virus descended upon the States in the late sixties and not a single place was closed, not a single public health protocol was imposed by the government. Half a million or so people died.

So, why are we in a panic now? Why is the safety of a relative few (.015% of the population of the States) the basis for radically oppressing the many? Forget the astronomical, insupportable, and continually-mounding, multi-trillion dollar national debt the political response to the virus has caused; forget ruined businesses, lost jobs and crushing personal debt; forget psychological damage and suicide; forget neglected vital surgeries and medical treatments; the precious few must be kept safe - at all costs, the "tail must wag the dog."

How have North Americans come to think safety is of greater value than freedom? Freedom has never been safe; liberty has never existed without risk. But the general public seems to have forgotten this or, perhaps, having always had freedom, unearned, without personal cost, they simply do not value it and so yield it up without hesitation.


Regardless, in a free society, individuals are at liberty (or ought to be) to run whatever risks they want to run. The idea that there is some greater obligation upon the individual to protect public health to their own serious detriment is ridiculous. If such an obligation really exists, why doesn't such an obligation extend to, say, diet? We know a regular intake of sugar inflames the inner lining of the vascular system, inducing chronic oxidative stress (which, by the way, increases susceptibility to the Wuhan virus, magnifying its effects) and is strongly correlated to heart disease and stroke, provoking diabetes, as well, along with its often fatal associated health problems (kidney disease, circulatory degeneration causing gangrene, etc.). Why don't we clamor for sugar to be removed from society? Do we say to each other, "If you cared about society, you wouldn't eat sugary things and encourage its production and use in the society"? No. Where I live, during business hours, the line-ups at Starbucks or Tim's are near-constant. No one is in the slightest panic about the deaths and burden on the medical infrastructure of the country to which chronic sugar consumption contributes.

What about driving cars? On average, 3200 people are killed, globally, in car accidents every day (to say nothing of the many thousands of non-fatal accidents). Even in countries where licensing and laws governing driving are multitude, there are still fatal accidents on the roadways. Do we say to one another, "Millions have died from driving. You could be in an accident, too, so, for the sake of others, you should give up driving completely. If you have any sense of civic duty or concern for others, destroy your car"? No. Instead, there are a billion-plus cars zipping along on roads around the globe. And we don't bat an eye at the risk to themselves and others that each driver willingly assumes, or at the million-and-some people who die in car accidents every year as a result.

Why this glaring double-standard? The media wants us cowering in our homes, masked and fearful when we leave them, rushing to get injected with questionable vaccines and deriding those who refrain. Why? We don't behave this way with the potentially-lethal dietary choices we make or activities we take up, like driving. Why the panic? Because there is more than a medical crisis going on. The virus is a powerful political tool, used by governments to profoundly reshape the dynamic between citizens and their governments, investing new, liberty-crushing power in government and training the "proles" to sit down and shut-up, regardless of how many of their liberties are stripped away.

The social pressure - bullying, really - that is going on now with being vaccinated is just extending government control over the individual to a very intimate degree. It is a test, really, of how much Leftist totalitarianism the culture has imbibed and conformed to in its decades-long indoctrination into Marxist Critical Theory. Is Mother-State ruling fully now? Or is there work yet to do to bring the population more completely under its control? North America is in the process of finding out.

If the vaccine is widely-available, and effective, then all those who want it can take it and "protect" themselves from the virus and those who are willing to take the risks associated with not taking the vaccine may do so, as well. Under such a circumstance, why are those willing to forego the vaccine showing disregard for those who may take the vaccine if they wish? The unvaccinated are the only ones running any sort of risk. And if they choose to do so, that is their right in a free society.
 
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This has affected 1 in 1.1 million people in between the ages of 18-48. Covid 19 has killed about 23k people in that age group and about 1736 people per million overall. Are you seriously trying too argue that the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid itself?
Young people can die of the flu as well you would have to quantify a increase in overall death rates that include annual flu deaths. The game of statistics is used to
Got another source for this other than the questionable life site news?

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like CNN or CBS NBC have about the Gates institute or WHO....this is who is controlling the narrative. You are being played and this is all related to the global reset a highly detailed plan being orchestrated by the World Economic Forum. It is you who need to broaden your sources and weigh the testimony and credentials of who is speaking and take note of the many differences. I've done this and shared one nugget with you. do your own research to test your hyposthesis that Gates and all are trustworthy.
 
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you have been given a 24 hour a day 7 day week enema of one official narrative. There has been an agenda behind this from the beginning and many doctors of equal credentials are opposing this agenda and there is a complete censorship of debate. Now even a top Fizer VP has come out against this.

EXCLUSIVE - Former Pfizer VP: ‘Your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death.’

Thanks for this. I believe this has been orchestrated as well and its scary to see so many people frantically absorbing every lie. The entire atmosphere of society is changing into something very eerie and suspicious.
 
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Young people can die of the flu as well you would have to quantify a increase in overall death rates that include annual flu deaths. The game of statistics is used to

like CNN or CBS NBC have about the Gates institute or WHO....this is who is controlling the narrative. You are being played and this is all related to the global reset a highly detailed plan being orchestrated by the World Economic Forum. It is you who need to broaden your sources and weigh the testimony and credentials of who is speaking and take note of the many differences. I've done this and shared one nugget with you. do your own research to test your hyposthesis that Gates and all are trustworthy.

It is on you to provide other sources if asked for them. I do not have that burden of proof.

BTW, I have already gotten the first Moderna shot and will get the second in May. I don't believe in bogeymen as apparently so many in this thread do!
 
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Where did that infographic come from? The data it contains is not credible.

For example, with respect to the 0.0004% figure, UK Government data indicates that tens of thousands of people who received the Astra Zeneca vaccine have reported adverse effects that are symptomatic of blood clots.

Symptoms of blood clots include Headache (48504 incidences), Nausea (21367 incidences), and Fatigue (29037 incidences). Such incidences are almost certainly under reported, because there is no official follow up to these mass vaccinations, and they are solely relying on people to take the initiative and be pro-active in reporting these adverse effects. If it was assumed that 20 million people have received the Astra Zeneca vaccine in the UK, then 4 in a million rate of thrombosis is clearly very, very inaccurate and a massive underestimation.

With respect to the 16.5% figure, that is also not credible. Possibly that figure could apply if they are only considering those who are hospitalised. But most people are not hospitalised. In fact, among young people with no underlying health issues, hospitalisations and deaths are both extremely rare.
 
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Young people can die of the flu as well you would have to quantify a increase in overall death rates that include annual flu deaths.
Indeed. It has been conveniently forgotten that flu has killed many in the past, including some very young people, even children in some cases. We never mandated masks, restricted travel, and flattened economies over a flu outbreak. In fact, right up until COVID came along, the official UK government plan was simply to shield the vulnerable, with no lockdowns. It was Italy that kicked off the trend for lockdowns, when they decided to copy totalitarian China's approach. But as we can see from Sweden (one of the few countries that had very few restrictions), lockdowns don't even make much difference to the outcome.

For example, as recently as 2018, a flu outbreak in the UK killed people of all ages, and the victims included five people aged 18, 9, 12, 18, and 15.

Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died - the highest number since records began
 
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I suppose vaccination can be compared to sex, if you assume the sperm is composed of toxic battery acid mixed with pig bile and faecal-smeared afterbirth juice. And that's still not half as filthy as the average vaccine concoction.

Knock yourself out: Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information - Vaccines - ProCon.org
I was thinking more of a comparison between vaccination and contraception. not comparing vaccines and sex. Your comment seems crude.
 
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you have been given a 24 hour a day 7 day week enema of one official narrative. There has been an agenda behind this from the beginning and many doctors of equal credentials are opposing this agenda and there is a complete censorship of debate.
Your claim is not plausible. If it really were the case that there was a real debate about the wisdom of getting vaccinated, it would be in the news.

But it's not - there is near unanimity that all adults should get vaccinated.

All right, let's talk about this guy. From Politifact:

And his claims are wrong, experts told PolitiFact. So are the social media posts that spread them. The posts were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The coronavirus pandemic is far from over in the U.K. and in other countries, as case spikes in recent months have shown. A widespread vaccine could prevent future waves, experts said.

The Associated Press also debunked Yeadon’s statements. Fact-checkers with Lead Stories and Health Feedback previously addressed similarly inaccurate claims he made in a separate blog post and in an interview with a talk radio host in the U.K.

The clear facts are these: While there is the occasional dissenting voice, the overwhelming majority of qualified experts support the vaccine program.

You are effectively cherry-picking.
 
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